The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (16 Viewers)

martcov · Feb 10, 2019

View from an Irish economist via Sky News:

"What the Brits have done is really stupid," he starts off in typically forthright language.

"The world is revolving so quickly that nobody cares whether the UK gets this right or not. We in Ireland obviously have a bigger exposure culturally, linguistically and historically, geographically to them.

"But ultimately we should use this opportunity to enhance our brand as a globalised place to do business. And if they want to go down some sort of nationalist rathole…off they go."

Fair comment.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

martcov said:
View from an Irish economist via Sky News:

"What the Brits have done is really stupid," he starts off in typically forthright language.

"The world is revolving so quickly that nobody cares whether the UK gets this right or not. We in Ireland obviously have a bigger exposure culturally, linguistically and historically, geographically to them.

"But ultimately we should use this opportunity to enhance our brand as a globalised place to do business. And if they want to go down some sort of nationalist rathole…off they go."

Fair comment.

Globalised place?

EU rules stop this from happening. They can't set up deals with anyone. Otherwise things will be as they are now. And it won't change if we are in or out the EU or whatever sort of deal we end up with.

Isn't it amazing how you only find quotes that see things the way you do.

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Globalised place?

EU rules stop this from happening. They can't set up deals with anyone. Otherwise things will be as they are now. And it won't change if we are in or out the EU or whatever sort of deal we end up with.

Isn't it amazing how you only find quotes that see things the way you do.

“A globalised place to do business.”

Are you now trying to claim the EU prevents international businesses from having offices in Ireland?

The fact you’ve managed to twist the quote to come to that conclusion and sits with the way you see things is astounding.

martcov · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Globalised place?

EU rules stop this from happening. They can't set up deals with anyone. Otherwise things will be as they are now. And it won't change if we are in or out the EU or whatever sort of deal we end up with.

Isn't it amazing how you only find quotes that see things the way you do.

It was an answer to you posting one you found from Belfast. The one that claimed that Tusk used inflammatory language by saying there was a special place in hell for people who pushed for leave without having a plan. It forgot to mention e.g. Hunt saying the EU was like the Soviet Union in front of people who had lived under the Soviet Union.

The EU has trade deals or trade protocols with countries all over the world. It is global. Ireland don’t need to set up deals, they have them through the EU. It is us, being forced by our own actions into doing deals with the Faroe Islands and some African countries, that in a couple of weeks won’t be global.

We were promised a roll over of 40 EU deals the day after Brexit. We have 3 small countries lined up including the Faroes. At what point will you stop repeating empty Faragist words such as „global“ as if it is in Relation to the UK?

Things won’t be as they are if we leave. If that is what you still believe, why are we leaving? No point whatsoever.

martcov · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
“A globalised place to do business.”

Are you now trying to claim the EU prevents international businesses from having offices in Ireland?

The fact you’ve managed to twist the quote to come to that conclusion and sits with the way you see things is astounding.

Astounding is the word. Even to claim Ireland can’t become global is ridiculous. It has major international companies such as Apple.

This is direct Farage. We have to throw away our EU brokered international deals to become „global“. A myth. It is all about getting the US into the UK by dropping ethic, health, environmental, pharma and food hygiene regulations which the EU impose on US products, and also getting US companies into the NHS. Global Britain = a deregulated UK market for US firms.

In a no deal situation we will be Billy NoMates, a distressed trading partner trading on WTO terms ( with fish and puffin pies in a FTA with the Faroes ). How do you twist that into „global Britain“?

Otis · Feb 10, 2019

martcov said:
Astounding is the word. Even to claim Ireland can’t become global is ridiculous. It has major international companies such as Apple.

This is direct Farage. We have to throw away our EU brokered international deals to become „global“. A myth. It is all about getting the US into the UK by dropping ethic, health, environmental, pharma and food hygiene regulations which the EU impose on US products, and also getting US companies into the NHS. Global Britain = a deregulated UK market for US firms.

In a no deal situation we will be Billy NoMates, a distressed trading partner trading on WTO terms ( with fish and puffin pies in a FTA with the Faroes ). How do you twist that into „global Britain“?

It's fine, we will have claimed back our borders.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
“A globalised place to do business.”

Are you now trying to claim the EU prevents international businesses from having offices in Ireland?

The fact you’ve managed to twist the quote to come to that conclusion and sits with the way you see things is astounding.

Twist what quote?

So explain what the difference is to Ireland on not being able to trade globally if we are still in the EU. Yes it makes no difference.

Or are you saying that Ireland will be enhanced globally if and when we leave the EU?

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

martcov said:
Astounding is the word. Even to claim Ireland can’t become global is ridiculous. It has major international companies such as Apple.

This is direct Farage. We have to throw away our EU brokered international deals to become „global“. A myth. It is all about getting the US into the UK by dropping ethic, health, environmental, pharma and food hygiene regulations which the EU impose on US products, and also getting US companies into the NHS. Global Britain = a deregulated UK market for US firms.

In a no deal situation we will be Billy NoMates, a distressed trading partner trading on WTO terms ( with fish and puffin pies in a FTA with the Faroes ). How do you twist that into „global Britain“?

Go on then Mart. How about you explaining the advantages for Ireland of the UK leaving the EU.

I sometimes enjoy reading the way you twist things.

If we do end up leaving things will become more difficult and not easier. At least you have pleased those waiting for a way of having a go because of a comment you have made. So a pat on the back from me.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Otis said:
It's fine, we will have claimed back our borders.

If only it was still funny. The comedy value of this quote went a long time ago. But I suppose it will please someone somewhere.

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Twist what quote?

So explain what the difference is to Ireland on not being able to trade globally if we are still in the EU. Yes it makes no difference.

Or are you saying that Ireland will be enhanced globally if and when we leave the EU?

So you’ve completely changed what was originally said to back up your own point of view.

The quote wasn’t about trade deals.

Then you continually claim that others twist things when you’re the biggest culprit

Considering that the UK is unlikely to as favourable terms as the EU currently has with countries like Japan, the Uk is hardly at an advantage

Otis · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
If only it was still funny. The comedy value of this quote went a long time ago. But I suppose it will please someone somewhere.

Ah, but I tend to skip huge chunks of this thread and only look at it every once in a while.

Unless of course, you expect me to through 30,000 posts.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 10, 2019

Otis said:
It's fine, we will have claimed back our borders.

By waving through all lorries lol

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
If only it was still funny. The comedy value of this quote went a long time ago. But I suppose it will please someone somewhere.

Me always pleases me it’s funny

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
So you’ve completely changed what was originally said to back up your own point of view.

The quote wasn’t about trade deals.

Then you continually claim that others twist things when you’re the biggest culprit

Considering that the UK is unlikely to as favourable terms as the EU currently has with countries like Japan, the Uk is hardly at an advantage

Think Jacob said of course it will affect us in the short term. In 50 years we will be in a much better position ffs

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
So you’ve completely changed what was originally said to back up your own point of view.

The quote wasn’t about trade deals.

Then you continually claim that others twist things when you’re the biggest culprit

Considering that the UK is unlikely to as favourable terms as the EU currently has with countries like Japan, the Uk is hardly at an advantage

Why don't YOU read it again?

Or how about making a proper comment instead of your normal dig at me?

So what is stopping them from becoming a more globalised place presently? Yes absolutely nothing. But it is used on here to make a point that doesn't exist. Nothing unusual there.

Otis · Feb 10, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
By waving through all lorries lol

It's fine, Pete. We will simply shout to the lorry drivers as they approach 'Is everything legit? No drugs, guns or immigrants onboard?' and if they shout back 'no' we simply take their word and wave them on through.

All the lorry drivers are honest anyway and the stock held within the trucks will be 100% kosher.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
By waving through all lorries lol

Is that us or France as both sides will be doing it.

The checks will be the same as now. But some love making out it will be a bigger problem than now. If it will be a problem if and when we leave the EU it is a problem now. If it is a problem now it needs to end. And how do we end it?

So some on here are agreeing with those who want to get our borders back. Does that make them pro leave because of the border problem?

Am I wrong to want it to stay as it is now?

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Otis said:
It's fine, Pete. We will simply shout to the lorry drivers as they approach 'Is everything legit? No drugs, guns or immigrants onboard?' and if they shout back 'no' we simply take their word and wave them on through.

All the lorry drivers are honest anyway and the stock held within the trucks will be 100% kosher.

So what will be different from now to if we leave and it happens? Are the lorry drivers honest now but will become dishonest?

Otis · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
So what will be different from now to if we leave and it happens? Are the lorry drivers honest now but will become dishonest?

At the moment we wave all lorries through?

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Why don't YOU read it again?

Or how about making a proper comment instead of your normal dig at me?

So what is stopping them from becoming a more globalised place presently? Yes absolutely nothing. But it is used on here to make a point that doesn't exist. Nothing unusual there.

There’s nothing preventing companies from going to Ireland to do business and in fact several incredibly large ones are based there.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Think Jacob said of course it will affect us in the short term. In 50 years we will be in a much better position ffs

Nobody knows what will happen especially that clueless twat.

50 years? Sometimes I can't work out which politician is in favour of what.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Otis said:
At the moment we wave all lorries through?

Of course we do. We are in the EU. We don't need border checks. Just like for us. Most of us don't get checked. But some of us do. Most don't though.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
There’s nothing preventing companies from going to Ireland to do business and in fact several incredibly large ones are based there.

So what difference will there be then?

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
So what difference will there be then?

More companies having bases for access to the EU? A quick Google shows that quite a number are looking at moving over from the UK to Ireland.

Otis · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Of course we do. We are in the EU. We don't need border checks. Just like for us. Most of us don't get checked. But some of us do. Most don't though.

Yeah, I know most don't, but of course there are some that are checked.

If nothing is going to change why wasn't the statement simply 'nothing's going to change?'

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Of course we do. We are in the EU. We don't need border checks. Just like for us. Most of us don't get checked. But some of us do. Most don't though.

Most people don’t get checked? What are you going on about now?

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Otis said:
Yeah, I know most don't, but of course there are some that are checked.

If nothing is going to change why wasn't the statement simply 'nothing's going to change?'

Most MP's want remain. There is no doubt on that.

The difference is that we have many who see a big thing as getting our borders back. No checks? Not exactly right. The checks will be the same as now. If not there would be massive queues. Same as now? It would be different in one way if we do leave the EU. The invisible border that doesn't presently exist. A lot of this crap is all about word play.

We would be much better off if they could just say it as it is. But you don't even get that on this thread.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Most people don’t get checked? What are you going on about now?

How often do you get searched?

Will they suddenly start searching every person or every load? No. Just passports and documents like presently. And wave everyone through as now. They won't suddenly check anyone or anything less however much you want people to believe so.

Astute · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
More companies having bases for access to the EU? A quick Google shows that quite a number are looking at moving over from the UK to Ireland.

But what advantage will they have once we leave if we do over now?

Do you agree it will become more difficult in many ways if we do leave?

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
How often do you get searched?

Will they suddenly start searching every person or every load? No. Just passports and documents like presently. And wave everyone through as now. They won't suddenly check anyone or anything less however much you want people to believe so.

Are there many countries in the world that search everything and everyone?

Flying into Palermo once I got searched and detained for 2 hours and everytime I’ve flown into Treviso I’ve been held and had documents checked by the police making phone calls - maybe it’s just me

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
But what advantage will they have once we leave if we do over now?

Do you agree it will become more difficult in many ways if we do leave?

For who? Ireland? A no deal would majorly impact Ireland? No doubt about it.

If they’re attracting large corporations looking for an English speaking country providing acccess to the EU, then I’d say that’s goinf to be a pretty good outcome, wouldn’t you?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 10, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Are there many countries in the world that search everything and everyone?

Flying into Palermo once I got searched and detained for 2 hours and everytime I’ve flown into Treviso I’ve been held and had documents checked by the police making phone calls - maybe it’s just me

It's you!

Sick Boy · Feb 10, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's you!

Haha I’m flying back to Verona shortly after having arrived at midday yesterday, half expecting to get stopped

martcov · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Go on then Mart. How about you explaining the advantages for Ireland of the UK leaving the EU.

I sometimes enjoy reading the way you twist things.

If we do end up leaving things will become more difficult and not easier. At least you have pleased those waiting for a way of having a go because of a comment you have made. So a pat on the back from me.

Ireland will be worse off because of a decision taken by around half of voters in another country. I have no idea what the rest of your mini rant was about.

martcov · Feb 10, 2019

Astute said:
Twist what quote?

So explain what the difference is to Ireland on not being able to trade globally if we are still in the EU. Yes it makes no difference.

Or are you saying that Ireland will be enhanced globally if and when we leave the EU?

They will be getting more financial companies for a start. A bit of compensation for potential Brexit damage.

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