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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,911
Astute said:
What contingency plans? Is that for what won't happen?

The EU has said nothing will change. Don't you believe them?
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The EU has said what I said it says. Read your link.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,912
Astute said:
Exactly. But Mart likes to muddy the water with his drivel.
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You have yet to post a link showing that as I asked you to. The only link you posted said the opposite of what you claim.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,913
Astute said:
So you say that the deal will not be accepted but you want to talk about what will happen when the deal is accepted?

I will say it again. Hardly anything will change with us and the EU whilst talks are ongoing on a trade deal. They have said nothing will change because it would cause harm to the remaining countries in the EU. That makes it also sound as though they will want a trade deal.

So onto food. We produce 50% of what we consume. 30% comes from the EU. The next highest will be 4%. We already trade So this will continue. Or would someone like to point out why it won't.

The reason it was spoken about was queues at ferry ports. But the EU wants it to continue. They don't want the north of France to suffer badly as it would if there are problems. Or are those that always defend them now saying that they are lying?

Just another project fear for now although nothing can be guaranteed in the future.
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Read your link, it explains it.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,914
Astute said:
So you say that the deal will not be accepted but you want to talk about what will happen when the deal is accepted?

I will say it again. Hardly anything will change with us and the EU whilst talks are ongoing on a trade deal. They have said nothing will change because it would cause harm to the remaining countries in the EU. That makes it also sound as though they will want a trade deal.

So onto food. We produce 50% of what we consume. 30% comes from the EU. The next highest will be 4%. We already trade So this will continue. Or would someone like to point out why it won't.

The reason it was spoken about was queues at ferry ports. But the EU wants it to continue. They don't want the north of France to suffer badly as it would if there are problems. Or are those that always defend them now saying that they are lying?

Just another project fear for now although nothing can be guaranteed in the future.
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I said that the deal will be rejected tonight. If there is no plan B, or if it is rejected again, then there will be no deal and no transition period. In the event of no Transition period, the contingency plans will come into effect, but the EU has said they will not be as comprehensive as with no deal. It is all in your link.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,915
Astute said:
Exactly. But Mart likes to muddy the water with his drivel.
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Haha. Read your link.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,916
Astute said:
So you say that the deal will not be accepted but you want to talk about what will happen when the deal is accepted?

I will say it again. Hardly anything will change with us and the EU whilst talks are ongoing on a trade deal. They have said nothing will change because it would cause harm to the remaining countries in the EU. That makes it also sound as though they will want a trade deal.

So onto food. We produce 50% of what we consume. 30% comes from the EU. The next highest will be 4%. We already trade So this will continue. Or would someone like to point out why it won't.

The reason it was spoken about was queues at ferry ports. But the EU wants it to continue. They don't want the north of France to suffer badly as it would if there are problems. Or are those that always defend them now saying that they are lying?

Just another project fear for now although nothing can be guaranteed in the future.
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We haven't even started talking about a trade deal yet and the time is ticking.
If this withdrawal agreement goes through then they can get down to the nitty gritty but I think it's inconceivable it will.
You putting money on it being accepted I know you like to back an outsider?
As for your point on food trade, we will lose access to trade with the EU and all associated trade deals if theres no deal, we'll be under WTO schedules and that's a game changer.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,917
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,918
Sick Boy said:
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If Northern Ireland aren’t happy with whatever arrangement is made they can unify with their southern colleagues if they wish
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,919
Grendel said:
If Northern Ireland aren’t happy with whatever arrangement is made they can unify with their southern colleagues if they wish
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What if they want neither?
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,920
martcov said:
I‘ll bring food packages when I come back in April. Plenty of Sauerkraut as it has vitamins to keep the scurvy at bay.
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I've gone right off you!

Went on holiday to Germany with a couple of mates, got confused, ordered drei sauerkraut mit sauerkraut. Waitress seemed surprised 'sauerkraut mit sauerkraut?!?'

'Ja' said I, keen not to avoid shame.

It takes a long time to eat a massive double portion of sauerkraut with little else...
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,921
Deleted member 5849 said:
I've gone right off you!

Went on holiday to Germany with a couple of mates, got confused, ordered drei sauerkraut mit sauerkraut. Waitress seemed surprised 'sauerkraut mit sauerkraut?!?'

'Ja' said I, keen not to avoid shame.

It takes a long time to eat a massive double portion of sauerkraut with little else...
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I managed to do the same with black pudding years ago in Hove, I think the waitress had only just moved over. I ended up with 12 pieces of it, I only asked for one extra
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,922
Grendel said:
If Northern Ireland aren’t happy with whatever arrangement is made they can unify with their southern colleagues if they wish
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Yeah because the government is so powerful after the landslide in the last election
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,923
Sick Boy said:
Yeah because the government is so powerful after the landslide in the last election
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It’s pretty arrogant to suggest that they can vote unite if they don’t like the backstop. They voted for single market and a customs union in the referendum. Neither unite or the backstop represents the political will of the Northern Ireland people. At least not pre referendum anyway.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,924
skybluetony176 said:
It’s pretty arrogant to suggest that they can vote unite if they don’t like the backstop. They voted for single market and a customs union in the referendum. Neither unite or the backstop represents the political will of the Northern Ireland people. At least not pre referendum anyway.
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Yeah I know but you’re dealing with people who want it to happen at any cost and don’t care about the wishes of their fellow citizens. Telling them they can either go along with it or end the UK is ridiculous, and that’s coming from someone who’d like to see a reunited Ireland
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,925
There's a man on the news who apparently invented the word Brexit.

He was genuinely asked "how did you do it".

Jesus Christ
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,926
Also, since when did a hi vis become known as a yellow vest?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,927
Sick Boy said:
Yeah I know but you’re dealing with people who want it to happen at any cost and don’t care about the wishes of their fellow citizens. Telling them they can either go along with it or end the UK is ridiculous, and that’s coming from someone who’d like to see a reunited Ireland
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So you think the whole of the uk strategy on this needs to prioritise Northern Ireland - why? Frankly if the outcome results in a rerun of the violence and oppression that’s the fault of the people causing the violence not the uk government or the 17 million people who want to leave Europe
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,928
Grendel said:
Second referendum amendment will not be allowed for discussion

Good
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It’s encouraging that those ‘democrats’ calling for a second referendum are increasingly being viewed from both sides with the contempt that their disingenuous game plan deserves.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,929
Grendel said:
So you think the whole of the uk strategy on this needs to prioritise Northern Ireland - why? Frankly if the outcome results in a rerun of the violence and oppression that’s the fault of the people causing the violence not the uk government or the 17 million people who want to leave Europe
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Are they, the people causing violence, changing the status quo, or are the leave voters?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,930
SIR ERNIE said:
It’s encouraging that those ‘democrats’ calling for a second referendum are increasingly being viewed from both sides with the contempt that their disingenuous game plan deserves.
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Really?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,931
Grendel said:
If Northern Ireland aren’t happy with whatever arrangement is made they can unify with their southern colleagues if they wish
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Or they could govern at storemont or take their seats in Parliament
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,932
Grendel said:
So you think the whole of the uk strategy on this needs to prioritise Northern Ireland - why? Frankly if the outcome results in a rerun of the violence and oppression that’s the fault of the people causing the violence not the uk government or the 17 million people who want to leave Europe
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Where did I say it should take priority? It’s just another aspect that wasn’t taken into consideration by the arrogant.

Personally I’d like to see Ireland reunited, regardless.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,933
SIR ERNIE said:
It’s encouraging that those ‘democrats’ calling for a second referendum are increasingly being viewed from both sides with the contempt that their disingenuous game plan deserves.
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And the likes of Banks are fine?
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,934
Sick Boy said:
Where did I say it should take priority? It’s just another aspect that wasn’t taken into consideration by the arrogant.

Personally I’d like to see Ireland reunited, regardless.
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No chance of a united Ireland I hope
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,935
westcountry_skyblue said:
No chance of a united Ireland I hope
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I think you’re in an increasing minority outside of NI that’s actually bothered.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,936
The John Baron amendment to cancel the Irish Backstop has had a massive defeat.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,937
Farage just said he’d take a second refurrendum rather than the deal wow!!

He thinks it would be a larger leave vote this time wow!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,938
Withdrawal vote

Aye - 202
No - 432

So a month wasted playing politics!!!

May should resign
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,939
The Government has been defeated by 230 votes in the Commons!
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,940
That's a huge defeat

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,941
Sky Blue Pete said:
Withdrawal vote

Aye - 202
No - 432

So a month wasted playing politics!!!

May should resign
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that's a huge defeat. surely her position is untenable? If there's one thing she's proved good though at it's clinging on to her job.
No deal here we come.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,942
clint van damme said:
that's a huge defeat. surely her position is untenable? If there's one thing she's proved good though at it's clinging on to her job.
No deal here we come.
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Greatest defeat by a Government ever too I believe! The news quoted 166 earlier, iirc. She’s been a disaster of a PM.

Jeremy Corbyn has just tabled a motion of no confidence.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,943
Christ, knew it was going to be bad, but not *that* bad.

Spectacular cock-up by the PM to even get to this stage, I guess.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,944
Sky Blue Pete said:
Farage just said he’d take a second refurrendum rather than the deal wow!!

He thinks it would be a larger leave vote this time wow!
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Mioght be, might not be.

The first sentence would be about the only thing I'd ever have agreed with him on, mind
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 15, 2019
  • #28,945
How on earth can she retain her position? She should be gone by the morning.
 
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