No-one is suggesting that it will get that far. But....we have always had scumbags. They were just below the surface and are now coming out. The Eastern Europeans are probably more racist than we are - when foreigners turn up to live in their countries. They do not have many foreigners. E.g. Estonia has a few Aserbaijanies ( if that is how you spell it ) and plenty of Russians, who were put there by Breschnew to be a problem if Estonia wanted independance ( which they now have ). Black and brown coloured people are not known... They are seen as a threat as are muslims.... It seems to be that the countries with least muslims and coloured people tend to be the most racist. Inside Germany, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, which is sparsley populated and has the lowest percentage of immigrants, is the area with the highest vote for the far right anti-immigration party. In Rumania, on the black sea coast around Constanca there are 16 different ethnic groups that live together in relative harmony ( apart from they don't like the gypsies ) - but the coast was always a melting pot for immigrants, so they are not so racist. I can, of course, only speak generally from what I have seen and heard. There are always exceptions.
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No-one is suggesting that it will get that far. But....we have always had scumbags. They were just below the surface and are now coming out. The Eastern Europeans are probably more racist than we are - when foreigners turn up to live in their countries. They do not have many foreigners. E.g. Estonia has a few Aserbaijanies ( if that is how you spell it ) and plenty of Russians, who were put there by Breschnew to be a problem if Estonia wanted independance ( which they now have ). Black and brown coloured people are not known... They are seen as a threat as are muslims.... It seems to be that the countries with least muslims and coloured people tend to be the most racist. Inside Germany, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, which is sparsley populated and has the lowest percentage of immigrants, is the area with the highest vote for the far right anti-immigration party. In Rumania, on the black sea coast around Constanca there are 16 different ethnic groups that live together in relative harmony ( apart from they don't like the gypsies ) - but the coast was always a melting pot for immigrants, so they are not so racist. I can, of course, only speak generally from what I have seen and heard. There are always exceptions.
Sick Boy
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I have never once said it was perfect or free of racism. The UK can't really make any claims of superiority either, can it? The younger generations in Italy are mostly quite open-minded and liberal. It is the older generations that have ruined their society, a bit like what is happening here
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SIR ERNIE
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It does make me laugh how a few frustrated and bitter losers on here are desperately trying to paint the Brexit vote as a racist one. How pathetic.
The fact is that the vote was an anti-EU vote, pure and simple. The EU has been exposed as a corrupt, undemocratic institution, doomed to certain failure. Brexit will help accelerate the demise of the rotten shambles.
Get over it.
The fact is that the vote was an anti-EU vote, pure and simple. The EU has been exposed as a corrupt, undemocratic institution, doomed to certain failure. Brexit will help accelerate the demise of the rotten shambles.
Get over it.
Sick Boy
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Sadly racists, like you, are in every country. It's impossible to get away from them.
For the record we are also leaving to escape the endless cycle of renting, to be better off financially, to have a better quality of life and for the climate.
Sick Boy
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I was born in England.
Sick Boy
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Some of the rhetoric that has been coming out of the Tories is not that much different to the bile UKIP and the BNP used to come out with. I actually used to feel proud being from the UK when living in La Lega Nord voting Veneto; this all changed when I came back though and was made even worse during the referendum campaign. The majority of young Italians are a lot more open minded and outlook looking that the older generations though.
Italy is also a country of great polarity though, go to the smaller cities and towns in the central regions and here you will find more tolerant and left wing people. You even get a few communist shrines in the streets.
dutchman
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I think a lot of it was just anti-government, an opportunity to give Cameron and Osborne a good kicking. No one who voted Brexit thought they had a hope in hell of winning yet they still made the effort to vote anyway.
Liquid Gold
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No brexit without parliamentary approval.
Kingokings204
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That's if it sticks as Supreme Court will rule finally. Either way brexit will happen so whatever will be will be.
The politicians really don't like the public. Shame really
NorthernWisdom
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It's a question many have asked time and again!
The referendum was always just an indicator, anyway. Again, bungled, when there can be such a small margin for or against really.
Should have had a series of questions if an indicator, rather than a simplistic yes/no.
Kingokings204
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That's the point Isn't it. Mps approve the referendum and then don't like the result so then they can take it away. It's a nonsense that the Supreme Court will clear up and even if they don't then MPs will vote for brexit anyway because of all the areas that voted for it. It's just a process for sore losers but they won't win. Hold your nerve as they were never going down without a fight. How dare the peasants vote the leave and win?
What is nonsense? Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy- that means parliament is sovereign. The decision just confirmed what we all knew ( or should have known).
The referendum was, and could only be, advisory.
It's British democracy- get over it.
Maybe Cameron thought that remain would win and nobody would notice the small print, that is was only advisory and parliament is sovereign anyway.
Kingokings204
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Yeah his point was why have it then? Brexit will happen anyway so Im happy either way tbh.
Kingokings204
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I'm over it. Brexit will happen regardless so yes very happy still if it's a process then fine by me.
The ruling is about not bypassing Parliament and not using the Royal Charter. It isn't about reversing the decision to leave. The JR was brought by a group of people, at least one of which voted leave (so not sore losers). Just proves what a brainless halfwit Cameron was. Mind you, May is making a pigs of it.
I think you better look at internal Tory politics to find the reason. It has little to do with the 'peasants' as you put it.
Kingokings204
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Not really sure if I believe that one of them voted to leave. No proof whatsoever to that.
I wonder how remain voters would feel if leave people tried everything in their power to stop the result? That's how it feels. Guessing it wouldn't be ok then. Either way brexit will happen and I'm ok with that.
The whole thing is a shame to me. Why have the referendum?
Kingokings204
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No I meant that all leave voters in the main were from poorer less privaleged backgrounds to those who voted remain with obviously London voting to remain. There is a clear divide between rich and poor and I don't like that.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I voted leave and think I still would....
....but I think that the terms & conditions of brexit need to be drafted, debated, & determined by a larger & more democratic group than just the current mandate-less government full of chancers, opportunists & lickspittles
....but I think that the terms & conditions of brexit need to be drafted, debated, & determined by a larger & more democratic group than just the current mandate-less government full of chancers, opportunists & lickspittles
Kingokings204
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Say that happens and then what?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yep....always suspected the powers that be would preserve the status quo...even if we actually get to trigger article 50, we would then be up against the EU diktat.....and they have no problem over-riding democratic process from sovereign states.....just ask the French, Dutch & Greeks for example...
The EU is like the hotel California.......you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..
Kingokings204
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So can we assume all MPs would still vote for brexit?
I just re read the government leaflet I had through and states "the government will implement what you decide"
David Cameron resignation speech "the result of the British people must be implemented and I'm not the man to do it"
Remainers very clear "leaving means leaving the single market" yet we are told to keep in it cause terms weren't decided in the ballot.
A group of politician judges who clearly it benefits to stay within the EU for numerous reasons have voted that MPs should now vote.
You couldn't make this up. Brexit will happen what worries me is on what terms.
I just re read the government leaflet I had through and states "the government will implement what you decide"
David Cameron resignation speech "the result of the British people must be implemented and I'm not the man to do it"
Remainers very clear "leaving means leaving the single market" yet we are told to keep in it cause terms weren't decided in the ballot.
A group of politician judges who clearly it benefits to stay within the EU for numerous reasons have voted that MPs should now vote.
You couldn't make this up. Brexit will happen what worries me is on what terms.
I agree with your sentiment but the immediate rise in the Pound suggests that some of the Bremainers hold high hopes they will wriggle out of it all. It wouldn't surprise me either but if they do God help this country and it's future democracy. Personally I wouldn't bother voting for anything again, it would show that it is pointless and that those with the most vested interest will always get their way eventually. Fuck London and its yaa hoo wet blanket selfish shits and fuck Tony Blair and his witch who made a fortune out of all the human rights bollocks that came with the EU !
It was clear that Britain is a parliamentary democracy. If the government- Tory government- promised you that they would implement it, then what is your problem? They have the parliamentary majority- they just vote for article 50 and that is it. If they don't, take it up with them.
The high court is right in confirming that parliament is sovereign - regardless of whether they vote for or against triggering article 50.
I don't see your problem.
I see that May has a problem though.
The chap stated that he voted leave when interviewed by the BBC this morning after the high Court judgement. I have no reason to disbelieve him.
NorthernWisdom
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...apart from the fact to do so allows the paranoia and persecution complex to continue...
Grendel
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There won't be a problem. Most labour MP's outside of London will vote to leave if they value their careers.
Grendel
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I do for obvious reasons.
The reality is the European Parliament is about as democratic as a government headed up by Stalin. It's autocratic and dicatorial.
The government should force it through or threaten an immediate election - labour MP's will just keel over.
It's telling the only one jumping up and down is the silly grinning man from the Liberals - the most un-principaled party in Britain who'd jump into bed with anyone and anything of it improved their ratings.
I don't really follow your rant grendel. I had merely stated that one of the people who brought the case stated, when asked by the BBC after the case, that he voted leave.
Again, the case was about not using ine Royal Charter and having a Parliamentary debate. No more, no less
Will be interesting to see how the Govt appeal to the Supreme Court goes. And if the MP's can actually have a civilised debate with the best interests of the country at the forefront (I have my doubts, but we shall see).
Again, the case was about not using ine Royal Charter and having a Parliamentary debate. No more, no less
Will be interesting to see how the Govt appeal to the Supreme Court goes. And if the MP's can actually have a civilised debate with the best interests of the country at the forefront (I have my doubts, but we shall see).
