If they had put any thought into it, they would have seen the problems with a land border in Ireland, or the possibility of 27 countries acting in their common interests. They obviously didn’t.
I think most people did put thought into it. Certainly no less than any remainer put thought into keeping things exactly the same.
You'd have it that no one who voted Brexit had thought of anything really , whereas you did. You're just so much better than everyone else and like to tell us all. I think you need an outlet from this, a hobby of some sort. .If they had put any thought into it, they would have seen the problems with a land border in Ireland, or the possibility of 27 countries acting in their common interests. They obviously didn’t.
Ha ha. Whereas you are completely in touch with you and you only. This thread is all about you and how much more informed you are than everyone else.
You'd have it that no one who voted Brexit had thought of anything really , whereas you did. You're just so much better than everyone else and like to tell us all. I think you need an outlet from this, a hobby of some sort. .
...oh now, don't put yourself down . You're far more informed than anyone else on here.More in touch than you. I am not more in touch than many on here, just more in touch than you. I think you are insulting others on this thread if you say it’s all about me. Maybe you should not only watch or read the news, but also read the thread. It may help.
Please enlighten me how this will be measured. Another London march with a few hundred thousand waving their berets and Euro flags ?
...oh now, don't put yourself down . You're far more informed than anyone else on here.
No mate, match of the day. Obviously you sneer at the thought of someone in a pub. Says it all.Good night. It must be just after pub closing there.
No offence but I give more weight to his article than your own heavily biased opinion, thanks.
Considering that JMcD has publicly said its inevitable and that Starmer has said more or less said the same, it’s not going to be far out
You can't have a biased opinion, unless of course you agree with the other side.In the end it’s politicising
Vote of no confidence bought down, general election demand bought down, it’s the next tactic to bring a change.
As for me having a heavily a heavily biased opinion - well....
You can't have a biased opinion, unless of course you agree with the other side.
No mate, match of the day. Obviously you sneer at the thought of someone in a pub. Says it all.
I think they all are .Also as one article from the guardian says Mr McDonnell is far less enthusiastic about a second referendum in private than public - what a surprise.
I'm glad you're back. It was terribly tame. Have you got your pyjamas on ?I wanted to go to bed, but your last comment was even more uninformed than usual. I missed the pubs in Chapelfields, so I made my own, filled it with pictures of Coventry and CCFC things, and now if I want to feel at home I go into my pub .... which I live above..so no Problem getting home. Hardly in a position to sneer at pub goers... I even import beer from Coventry ( Twisted Barrel in Fargo ),
I'm glad you're back. It was terribly tame. Have you got your pyjamas on ?
You too. Tomorrow is another day. Good night.No. I don’t wear them, the missus thinks that’s too boring. Well, I’ve got to roll over now... it’s an hour later here.. sleep well..
You don't you think that citing the Guardian as an unbiased news source on Brexit is a bit like asking the Pope if he hates the Devil? Some wishful thinking in that article IMO, the Guardian is so desperate for a second referendum to overturn the 2016 vote that they are in effect campaigning for it
In the end it’s politicising
Vote of no confidence bought down, general election demand bought down, it’s the next tactic to bring a change.
As for me having a heavily a heavily biased opinion - well....
Who in their right mind would join the EU now they have seen the problems you have leaving if you find out at a later date you made a mistake joining?No, people like you will be dead in 20 years, and we will be back in the EU by then
Italy for starters.Which country is poorer now than before the EU? How many live in abject poverty in the UK according to the UN study of the UK? We are not in the Euro and yet have the biggest gap between rich and poor. How does that fit in with your theory?
Italy for starters.
Who in their right mind would join the EU now they have seen the problems you have leaving if you find out at a later date you made a mistake joining?
I can only see countries desperate for EU cash joining from now.
Not everyone is biased.If May fails to get the deal through parliament, a change is going to be inevitable, it will also put eurosceptic Corbyn in a very uncomfortable position and he won’t be able to continue with his current ambiguity.
The fact that he would abandon his long held beliefs to cling to power doesn’t sit well with me.
Everyone is biased about the referendum, including you and I. As I’ve said before though, I think the EEA option would be a compromise that would go some way towards a compromise as I do recognise the dangers that could be unleashed with a 2nd referendum.
So the monumental debt owed by Italy is down to the mafia and corruption?The north is still incredibly prosperous and wealthy and the south has been plagued by mafia and corruption for centuries.
A lot of Italians place the blame firmly at the feet of their politicians and mafia.
So it is so difficult to leave the EU because we were underprepared?Problems leaving? The UK is leaving, the problems it has encountered that it’s been massively underprepared and several politicians promised a land of fantasy.
As the only ‘neutral’ poster on this subject, I’m sure that you’re aware of this
So it is so difficult to leave the EU because we were underprepared?
So how could we have prepared better that would have made it easy to leave?
So it is so difficult to leave the EU because we were underprepared?
So how could we have prepared better that would have made it easy to leave?
So the monumental debt owed by Italy is down to the mafia and corruption?
So the monumental debt owed by Italy is down to the mafia and corruption?
And why is that?we could have had an idea of exactly how we were going to leave, (no deal, Norway option etc).
As it stands we're 4 months away and still nobody knows.
:smuggrin:No you’re right, decades and decades of organised crime that generates estimates of €100bn of profit for the groups and deep, deep corruption has had minimal effect on the performance of the country and its debt.
To try and place the blame for the country’s problems at the feet of the EU and deflecting away from how organised crime has ruined the country show just how extreme your position is
And why is that?
We were supposed to negotiate leaving. But no negotiations have really taken place. We have been dictated to.
So we joined 'the club' by default as we never voted to join the EU. It just became the EU. We joined the common market. It has become a club that is difficult to leave. If we had joined through choice it would be our fault. But we didn't.
:smuggrin:You will tell me that open borders in Europe didn't make any economic migrants land in Italy. Will you then try and tell me that the EU making Italy keep the migrants in their country....which costs about 3 billion a year I read somewhere....has no affect.
If you could be truthful we could have a proper debate. But you constantly try and take any blame away from the EU for just about everything. Yet leaders like Macron are starting to get outspoken against the EU. Saying that I suppose you know more than them.
:smuggrin:
Just like where you quoted other countries could easily remove illegal immigrants but we can't. And then you tried to deny saying it even when I kept quoting your post.
So did I say minimal effect? Would you like to point out where I have said minimal effect? Of course not. It is you making something up again.
Next you will be telling me that EU rules have had a minimum effect on Italy. You will tell me that open borders in Europe didn't make any economic migrants land in Italy. Will you then try and tell me that the EU making Italy keep the migrants in their country....which costs about 3 billion a year I read somewhere....has no affect.
If you could be truthful we could have a proper debate. But you constantly try and take any blame away from the EU for just about everything. Yet leaders like Macron are starting to get outspoken against the EU. Saying that I suppose you know more than them.
Not the way I see it at all.No the reason for this is the same reason we had the referendum in the first place, an on-going civil war in the tory party.
Again, look at quotes from the main protagonists pre and post referendum, there was never any consensus as to what Brexit meant.
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