No. That is not true. You just made it up. If anything I seem to know more about UK current affairs than you. You haven’t even seen or heard of Farage for a long while. You obviously don’t follow the news.
I can see both sides. You can only see one side. And that is the side from Germany.
There is nobody screaming and shouting that Brexit is a good idea. But they mention what good might come from it. And it sets you off again.
Where do I start?
You never say a word about anything I say about May and the Tories. But if I dare say anything against Labour it is a totally different matter.
There is nobody screaming and shouting that Brexit is a good idea. But they mention what good might come from it. And it sets you off again.
You like to make out that the millions of people that have come to live here in the UK have made no difference to the homeless situation. I mention that of course it makes a difference. Everyone needs somewhere to live. Then you go off on another one saying that I am scapegoating anyone who has come here to live. But somehow you miss me saying without a doubt that governments from both sides have failed us. Then you go off on one for me saying Labour has a part in it. You ignore they were in power during the time of our population boom.
There are problems with the way the EU is run. Macron has just said the same. Yet you didn't reply when I posted a link to it. Yet who is surprised? You think we should let everybody in who wants to come without addressing the problems we currently have. Fuck the homeless. It is a government thing only. You are not interested in solving the problems first. You also believe that anyone with an EU passport should come here before anyone else. This includes those with the skills we need.
I agree with a lot of what you say. But if I dare to disagree with the slightest thing you go off on one. Is your opinion always right? Are you the only one allowed to have an opinion?
OK. I am not allowed to mention anything bad about the EU. I am not allowed to mention the homeless situation. Is there anything else that you don't want me to mention? Is it suddenly all the fault of the Tories and not the fault of Labour at all? Doesn't it matter how many people who live in the UK when we already don't have enough homes for them? Am I allowed to say how bent the UK government is but not allowed to mention how bent the EU is? Am I allowed to say how bad it could get for the UK but not allowed to mention anything at all that could be good?
Yes your opinion counts and mine doesn't. I get you.
Where do I start?
You never say a word about anything I say about May and the Tories. But if I dare say anything against Labour it is a totally different matter.
There is nobody screaming and shouting that Brexit is a good idea. But they mention what good might come from it. And it sets you off again.
You like to make out that the millions of people that have come to live here in the UK have made no difference to the homeless situation. I mention that of course it makes a difference. Everyone needs somewhere to live. Then you go off on another one saying that I am scapegoating anyone who has come here to live. But somehow you miss me saying without a doubt that governments from both sides have failed us. Then you go off on one for me saying Labour has a part in it. You ignore they were in power during the time of our population boom.
There are problems with the way the EU is run. Macron has just said the same. Yet you didn't reply when I posted a link to it. Yet who is surprised? You think we should let everybody in who wants to come without addressing the problems we currently have. Fuck the homeless. It is a government thing only. You are not interested in solving the problems first. You also believe that anyone with an EU passport should come here before anyone else. This includes those with the skills we need.
I agree with a lot of what you say. But if I dare to disagree with the slightest thing you go off on one. Is your opinion always right? Are you the only one allowed to have an opinion?
OK. I am not allowed to mention anything bad about the EU. I am not allowed to mention the homeless situation. Is there anything else that you don't want me to mention? Is it suddenly all the fault of the Tories and not the fault of Labour at all? Doesn't it matter how many people who live in the UK when we already don't have enough homes for them? Am I allowed to say how bent the UK government is but not allowed to mention how bent the EU is? Am I allowed to say how bad it could get for the UK but not allowed to mention anything at all that could be good?
Yes your opinion counts and mine doesn't. I get you.
This deserves a special mention all by itself, there have been plenty of post about Brexit being a good idea, to claim otherwise is mind-bending stuff. You have continually attacked those who think Brexit is a bad idea, yet have never challenged those who think Brexit is going to be hugely positive?
So I have never said that Brexit is a bad idea?This deserves a special mention all by itself, there have been plenty of post about Brexit being a good idea, to claim otherwise is mind-bending stuff. You have continually attacked those who think Brexit is a bad idea, yet have never challenged those who think Brexit is going to be hugely positive?
Fair enough?I don’t think I’ve ever said that someone is not allowed to voice their opinion, but I am allowed to challenge other’s opinion as they can do with mine.
I’ve already said I wouldn’t vote Labour under Corbyn and stopped under Blair. Oh and I also said that Labour should have imposed working restrictions on Eastern European countries when they joined the EU.
I do attack the double standards on here though where the like of Johnson and Hammond get a free pass when they get figures wrong and when the incompetence of Davis fails to get mentioned by those who attack MPs for the party they don’t vote for. Surely you think that is fair enough?
So I have never said that Brexit is a bad idea?
That proves you either only read what you want to or are on a point scoring mission again.
The difference between us is I understand why people voted leave. You just see the majority as idiots. You see your benefits of us being in the EU and you are not interested in anything else.
And you detest anyone putting the other side forward.
And still no comment on Macron saying that the EU must change. And he is one if the most prominent leaders out of the EU countries.
Fair enough?
How about naming one person involved in this fiasco I have defended or not had a go at? But you always miss this. You only ever notice those I have a go at that you defend. And I can't think of anyone who has come out of this well.
You would think that with your constant comments against me that I only have a go at one side and champion the other side like yourself.
You don’t mention the million and a half of UK migrants in the EU.
Project fear from the Tories is back. May is trying to force it through parliament with false information.
Theresa May accused of 'rehashing Project Fear' as Treasury says UK will be £150bn worse off under no deal
And in case you are not registered with the Telegraph this helps to explain
Brexit economic impact analysis due
It wouldn't be if you didn't constantly berate someone for having a different opinion or even throw insults their way.Yet again putting words in someone’s mouth. I have friends who voted leave and I’ve said that the EU needs reform.
If you see challenging someone’s belief as detesting it, then that’s insane.
According to Office of National Statistics there are only half that number:
Living abroad: British residents living in the EU - Office for National Statistics
Main points
- 784,900 British citizens live in the EU, excluding the UK and Ireland on 1 January 2017.
- Three countries were very popular – 69% of British citizens living in the EU lived in Spain, France or Germany in 2017.
- Two-thirds of British citizens living in the EU, excluding the UK and Ireland, are aged 15 to 64 years, and more 15- to 64-year-olds live in Spain than any other EU country.
- The EU has not been the most common destination for Brits choosing to emigrate; 33% of all British-born emigrants living outside the UK in 2017 lived in Australia or New Zealand, 28% lived in the US or Canada and 26% in the EU – of which 6% lived in Ireland.
- By comparison, 49% of French-born emigrants living outside France were living in the EU in 2015 and 44% of German-born emigrants living outside Germany were living in the EU.
It wouldn't be if you didn't constantly berate someone for having a different opinion or even throw insults their way.
It wouldn't be if you didn't constantly berate someone for having a different opinion or even throw insults their way.
Hilarious. Now you know why I don’t block you.
How about the latest project fear to swing it?There is minimal chance of her getting through parliament.
Exactly. But on this thread your insults flow freely.There is nothing wrong in challenging another person's point of view, and you 'constantly berate' others on this thread yourself. As far as I can remember I do not normally throw insults around in general either.
Exactly. But on this thread your insults flow freely.
A third of those are 'officially' retired so I imagine they would continue living where they are. I suspect a much larger number are 'unoffically' retired so ditto. The remainder would continue to live and work where they are now provided they meet local employment regulations.Ok. Then where would the 790000 live?
How about the latest project fear to swing it?
And we know many Mps are clueless. They are not fit for the job. They get voted in because of the party they stand for and nothing else. Labour voters vote Labour and the Tories vote Tory.
There will be Labour voting for it and Tories voting against it.
Project fear from the Tories is back. May is trying to force it through parliament with false information.
Theresa May accused of 'rehashing Project Fear' as Treasury says UK will be £150bn worse off under no deal
And in case you are not registered with the Telegraph this helps to explain
Brexit economic impact analysis due
Where did I say that Labour would vote it through? Reading what I haven't said again?They won't do as regardless of what side you are on, it is a ridiculous deal, but the Leavers have promised the earth and are not going to be able to delivery it, and as we have seen they are not able to provide any solutions themselves. Their own Project Fear is looking ridiculous as well.
What makes you think Labour are going to be voting it through? Based on what? There is even less chance of that happening.
That is the problem. Nobody will be happy.I'd say she isn't far wrong. I would still prefer no deal to her deal which tells you just how bad I think her deal is.
Not so much stuck between a rock and a hard place as stuck between a very shitty and even shittier place.
How about the latest project fear to swing it?
And we know many Mps are clueless. They are not fit for the job. They get voted in because of the party they stand for and nothing else. Labour voters vote Labour and the Tories vote Tory.
There will be Labour voting for it and Tories voting against it.
A third of those are 'officially' retired so I imagine they would continue living where they are. I suspect a much larger number are 'unoffically' retired so ditto. The remainder would continue to live and work where they are now provided they meet local employment regulations.
That is the problem. Nobody will be happy.
It isn't staying in the EU. It isn't getting out of the EU. It is staying in the EU without a say but still paying for being in. There is no leave date. There is no leaving until the EU says we can leave.
And who voted for this bullshit?
Depends on how you count, or whether you count born in the UK or UK citizen. UN methodology counts 1,3 million.
Brits abroad: how many people from the UK live in other EU countries?
@Astute
So you are in favour of the deal, I take it? Labour are going to be hoping that this will bring down May, will that happen? Who knows, but I think it could well do.
Where have I said I am happy with it? Where have I said anything that makes it look like I am happy with it?Technically the UK would be outside of the EU, but it would mean that the UK would be abiding by rules but having zero say, so what would be the point? Unless the UK is able to import American goods that are not currently allowed here, I am not sure it means that big USA trade deal will happen - as Trump has already said.
No one voted for it but I guess that May sees it as the best she can do with pressure from both sides.
One question.No one voted for it but I guess that May sees it as the best she can do with pressure from both sides.
Once again...
Living abroad: British residents living in the EU - Office for National Statistics
The statistics in this article use a “British citizen” definition to identify long-term residents, as this is considered the most useful in identifying those most likely to be affected by the UK's decision to leave the EU.
Where have I said I am happy with it? Where have I said anything that makes it look like I am happy with it?
Or are you saying that me saying I am unsure if it will go through or not is me saying I like it?
Try pressing the reset button and actually read what I say without wanting to have a go at it. You might understand a lot more then.
Project fear from the Tories is back. May is trying to force it through parliament with false information.
Theresa May accused of 'rehashing Project Fear' as Treasury says UK will be £150bn worse off under no deal
And in case you are not registered with the Telegraph this helps to explain
Brexit economic impact analysis due
Why once again?
Where would she live as a British citizen?
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