The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

SkyblueBazza · Oct 16, 2018

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.

For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.

I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.

It shouldnt be like that shoud it?

It isn't like that.

Think of it more as being employed...or self employed. There are benefits both ways. Being self employed brings short term extreme hard work & stress...longer term major benefits if/when success is achieved, but you make & stand or fall by your own decisions & choices. Being employed is regular set income, longer term security of redundancy payments if needed, perhaps more comradery, being told what to do, stand or fall by the decisions of others who you may have (a vote of) confidence in or not (Selmayr)...so you either go with the flow or take your chances.

Baa-aaaaaaaaa!

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 16, 2018

dutchman said:
‘Golden passports’ threaten European security, warns EU commissioner

Europe’s security is being put at risk by so-called “golden passport” schemes that have allowed states to sell citizenship or residency to potentially “dangerous” individuals, the EU justice commissioner has warned.

Věra Jourová described the programmes as “problematic” and “unfair” – echoing the private concerns of Europe’s intelligence agencies, who fear “golden passports” have been exploited by people with enough money to buy access to the UK and Europe.

She added: “We have legitimate concerns, because if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system and the whole competence of Europe. Because there is a contradiction.

“Once we have some weak points in the EU, some weak points where it is easy to enter the space, the whole of Europe has a problem.”

British intelligence is also known to be deeply unhappy about the schemes. “It is not just a concern for us, it is a concern for everyone,” said a Whitehall source.

Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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martcov · Oct 17, 2018

dutchman said:
‘Golden passports’ threaten European security, warns EU commissioner

Europe’s security is being put at risk by so-called “golden passport” schemes that have allowed states to sell citizenship or residency to potentially “dangerous” individuals, the EU justice commissioner has warned.

Věra Jourová described the programmes as “problematic” and “unfair” – echoing the private concerns of Europe’s intelligence agencies, who fear “golden passports” have been exploited by people with enough money to buy access to the UK and Europe.

She added: “We have legitimate concerns, because if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system and the whole competence of Europe. Because there is a contradiction.

“Once we have some weak points in the EU, some weak points where it is easy to enter the space, the whole of Europe has a problem.”

British intelligence is also known to be deeply unhappy about the schemes. “It is not just a concern for us, it is a concern for everyone,” said a Whitehall source.

Yes, it is a massive scandal, which countries like Malta are openly abusing. Lord Belize of Brexit was encouraging British firms who need a presence in the EU to get in through Malta. A journalist there just got executed by a car bomb for constantly reporting on these scams in Malta.

It is a weak spot and must be sorted out.

Weren’t the Trumps on a similar scheme in the USA by getting Chinese and Russians to invest in Trump’s properties over so much money which gave them the right to live on America?

Similar to dodgy oligarchs living in London. Malta‘s deal being the best deal though. ( For dodgy people).

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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The people racists don’t like don’t have enough money to use these schemes. That is why they are called golden. You have to „invest“ in Malta and bung a politician. British firms were tipped off by our billionaire Tory Lord Brexit living in Belize to use scams in Malta.

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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Officially you „invest“ 650000 €. Unofficially, you need another 200000,00 € to bung a Maltese politician. According to a now murdered Maltese journalist. Rich Arabs, Russians and Chinese buy these passports. Not people who are going to clog up British roads and hospitals and take people like Bazza‘s jobs. Bazza need not get excited. The EU objects as much as most people. It must be stopped. But how? The Maltese government was recently re elected despite massive corruption. Democracy doesn’t always bring the right result... as shown by Brexit

Maltese passport - Wikipedia

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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It isn’t saying anything of the sort as I explained. You are just thick and don’t know what you are talking about. The EU parliament is against the practice. Are you saying people are calling the Parliament racist for objecting to the sale of EU citizenship?

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
It isn't like that.

Think of it more as being employed...or self employed. There are benefits both ways. Being self employed brings short term extreme hard work & stress...longer term major benefits if/when success is achieved, but you make & stand or fall by your own decisions & choices. Being employed is regular set income, longer term security of redundancy payments if needed, perhaps more comradery, being told what to do, stand or fall by the decisions of others who you may have (a vote of) confidence in or not (Selmayr)...so you either go with the flow or take your chances.

Baa-aaaaaaaaa!

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The difference being that you cannot lead 65 million into a risky business situation when at least half don’t want it and the others haven’t been informed of all the risks of what they are doing. Or rather you should‘nt be able to do that. Being self employed is a personal choice. If it goes wrong you are responsible. If it goes wrong for a country of 65 million, that is some responsibility for the politicians and leave voters..

clint van damme · Oct 17, 2018

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.

For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.

I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.

It shouldnt be like that shoud it?

which is why we should have put much more preparation into leaving than we have.

I don't think many people realised how entwined we were in the EU.

Stuff like Euratom and the EU wide pharmaceutical standards I know I'd never heard of. The snap GE May called which wiped out her majority just compounded matters.

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.

For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.

I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.

It shouldnt be like that shoud it?

It was always going to be difficult for the UK to leave an organisation after 45 years of evolving with it. It is at best a pointless and economically harmful decision to leave.

The EU has nothing to do with that. They don’t want us to leave, but have given us a simple process through article 50 to leave in an orderly fashion.

We can leave in March.

If leaving is so great, we don’t even need a „deal“. We just have to settle the 3 points of paying our commitments, looking after EU citizens‘, and therefore British citizens in the EU‘s rights, and guarantee that there is no hard border in Ireland as implied in the GFA which we are obliged to honour. Those are necessary for both parties.

It really is a simple procedure.

What is the stumbling block and who is refusing to negotiate on it? I‘ll help. The EU has offered special status for Northern Ireland in order to solve the border issue and allow the UK to ask for and negotiate a trade deal with the EU. The EU wants a trade deal and a close relationship.

On paper there is no problem. What has the EU done wrong?

Ashdown · Oct 17, 2018

Despite all the so called difficulties, it seems like we are down to one issue now ?!

Sky Blue Harry H · Oct 17, 2018

Joined this thread very late in the day (although if it drags on, maybe only in the middle!). I have to say, I feel sorry for Teresa May, as she is tasked with managing the damned near impossible, in terms of keeping everyone/anyone happy. The EU don't need to make things easy for us (sends the wrong signals to potential other exiteers (is their such a word?!) so to get any potential deal which is acceptable to the British public will be hard enough. Couple with that, the opposition will want to be as uncooperative as possible, just to try and force an election, whilst a number in her own party are gathering like Brutus and his friends. I don't dispute that we had a leave vote, but I can't believe many knew what that actually might look like, and what lay ahead. Could do with a tardis to leap forward 5 or 10 years to see what awaits us.

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2018

No-deal Brexit disastrous, says Ford boss

I see Ford is on the case now. Still, just more scaremongering I’m sure.

Grappa · Oct 17, 2018

lol

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

Ashdown said:
Despite all the so called difficulties, it seems like we are down to one issue now ?!

Yep. The one English leavers hadn't thought about.

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
No-deal Brexit disastrous, says Ford boss

I see Ford is on the case now. Still, just more scaremongering I’m sure.

It's called Brexit bluster by a certain poster well connected to the motor industry. The same poster who is convinced that any of the 4 conflicting leave options are better than the status quo.

Grappa · Oct 17, 2018

oooh, look at that, the French controlling their borders. Frictionless trade ahoy!

SkyblueBazza · Oct 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
No-deal Brexit disastrous, says Ford boss

I see Ford is on the case now. Still, just more scaremongering I’m sure.

No you aren't sure...you are trying to be funny. I think you should give it up though tbh - coz you're not.

You are right on the scaremongering though

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martcov · Oct 17, 2018

Grappa said:
oooh, look at that, the French controlling their borders. Frictionless trade ahoy!

I see the next problems .. if I want to come home for a CCFC game and a visit to my mother I won't be driving if there is no deal. There will be chaos. The flights will be full... I just see this whole thing going haywire.

martcov · Oct 17, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
No you aren't sure...you are trying to be funny. I think you should give it up though tbh - coz you're not.

You are right on the scaremongering though

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You are just sooooooooooooooo thick.

Grappa · Oct 17, 2018

Didn't see that one coming...

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2018

Just watching the news and May is either completely delusional or about to pull of a political master stroke.

chiefdave · Oct 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Just watching the news and May is either completely delusional or about to pull of a political master stroke.

If those are the options I know which one my money is on.

Sick Boy · Oct 17, 2018

Grappa said:
Didn't see that one coming...

But...but that nice man Michael Gove told us this wouldn't happen?

Sick Boy · Oct 17, 2018

Grappa said:
Didn't see that one coming...

Chlorine-washed chicken, hormone-injected beef and food containing maggots, rat-hair and mould are just some of the imports post-Brexit Britain could receive from the US.

Nice!

skybluetony176 · Oct 17, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Chlorine-washed chicken, hormone-injected beef and food containing maggots, rat-hair and mould are just some of the imports post-Brexit Britain could receive from the US.

Nice!

It’s worse. They add things that are banned in most developed countries. Does America Have the Worst Food Quality & Safety?
The Vulgar Truth About US Meats

Sky Blue Harry H · Oct 17, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Chlorine-washed chicken, hormone-injected beef and food containing maggots, rat-hair and mould are just some of the imports post-Brexit Britain could receive from the US.

Nice!

Does that come with fries? If not, I'm out.

Macca · Oct 18, 2018

Brexit transition period 'could get longer'

So it starts. Delay a bit longer, get a few more kids past voting age, referendum 2, job done

martcov · Oct 18, 2018

Macca said:
Brexit transition period 'could get longer'

So it starts. Delay a bit longer, get a few more kids past voting age, referendum 2, job done

I really hope so. We made a mistake. Admit it. Retract article 50 and move on.

Astute · Oct 18, 2018

Grappa said:
oooh, look at that, the French controlling their borders. Frictionless trade ahoy!

You are so cool being able to find twats on Twatter that only do pro EU Twits.

How about pro Brexit comments? Neither should be allowed as they distort the truth. But here you go.

Click on comments then best comments.

Brexit news: Britons could need visas to visit France after 'no deal' | Daily Mail Online

Sick Boy · Oct 18, 2018

Astute said:
You are so cool being able to find twats on Twatter that only do pro EU Twits.

How about pro Brexit comments? Neither should be allowed as they distort the truth. But here you go.

Click on comments then best comments.

Brexit news: Britons could need visas to visit France after 'no deal' | Daily Mail Online

This is my favourite

We don't need a deal on the Irish border. We can do what we want with OUR border, and the good Friday agreement is more important than any EU policy. A hard border is out of the question, remaining in the single market is out of the question, and so is separating NI from the UK. Those three things that the EU want are impossible, so give up

Sick Boy · Oct 18, 2018

Another one:

Whíte English people are now the mínority in their own capital cities thanks to the deceit and lies from successive governments.

Astute · Oct 18, 2018

Sick Boy said:
This is my favourite

We don't need a deal on the Irish border. We can do what we want with OUR border, and the good Friday agreement is more important than any EU policy. A hard border is out of the question, remaining in the single market is out of the question, and so is separating NI from the UK. Those three things that the EU want are impossible, so give up

Yes. Some people just don't have a clue. That is the problem that you have with pro remain whatever and pro leave whatever.

But we do need to either stay in or get out. No half measures. That would cause more harm than anything.

Sick Boy · Oct 18, 2018

Astute said:
Yes. Some people just don't have a clue. That is the problem that you have with pro remain whatever and pro leave whatever.

But we do need to either stay in or get out. No half measures. That would cause more harm than anything.

Personally I think the EEA option would be a fair compromise between the 2 sides. If you're bothered about keeping the UK together in the long-run, it'd be the sensible option too.

skybluetony176 · Oct 18, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Personally I think the EEA option would be a fair compromise between the 2 sides. If you're bothered about keeping the UK together in the long-run, it'd be the sensible option too.

It would also be the most accurate representation of the referendum. Unless you want to discount those who voted remain. It was pretty much half and half. The referendum has been hi jacked.

martcov · Oct 18, 2018

Sick Boy said:
This is my favourite

We don't need a deal on the Irish border. We can do what we want with OUR border, and the good Friday agreement is more important than any EU policy. A hard border is out of the question, remaining in the single market is out of the question, and so is separating NI from the UK. Those three things that the EU want are impossible, so give up

Hilarious... but shows how ignorant some people are.

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