There is no superstate. We have veto rights. Romania and Hungary are wealthier than they were.
Fiscal and monetary union are not necessarily a disadvantage. Depends on the the terms.
Seems that you have backed the wrong horse if you are prepared to take any crap to avoid something that doesn’t exist or won’t exist without our agreement.
And yes, leavers are caricatured, and that has nothing to do with me.
But, if the cap fits, wear it...
40 years ago we were told there would never be any move to any form of politicisation and that there was just a free trade arrangement among a small group of European countries - all with relatively strong economies.
That was a lie
New legislation could remove the veto
I’m not suprised someone who hates freedom of expression and democracy favours an iron curtain type of fiscal control - power for the few for the benefit of the fewer at the expense of the many
No thanks
Good luck to you. Yet you criticise me for preparing me to relocate my business to Ireland (also for financial reasons) should Corbyn's shower gain power.
Your last paragraph sums you up for the bigoted old Kraut you really are.
Fair play to you.
I have moved several times for the best of future for my family. And it isn't always an easy thing to do.
Yes Macron is weaker than he thought. He got in by saying he would reduce income tax and make changes. But when he tried he brought France to a standstill. He knows he can't ignore the voters anymore. He has regions of France on his back. He has to try and keep them happy. The French are much more militant than us in the UK. They are where we were in the days of Maggie. Their unions are strong.
Yes Mart.2015 Juncker asking all parties to the table.
Opinion piece from the Kremlin.
Interesting though what Barnier said before negotiations started:
“There is no place [for financial services],” the veteran French politician said. “There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It doesn’t exist.” He said the outcome was a consequence of “the red lines that the British have chosen themselves. In leaving the single market, they lose the financial services passport.”
Which is why Carney is still waiting for a reaction to his warnings.
Rightly or wrongly.
But, as he says, we set the red lines.
Who would that be? I have pointed out that whichever of the 4 deals are decided today, it will only please a minority of the 52% who voted leave, and a small minority of all voters including remain.
You call that democracy? You voted under a false premise anyway.
I see its likely that UK citizens resident in an EU country will be granted residency in that country alone. Funny that, it's almost like it's 27 different countries rather than a superstate.
You're starting to sound like an island monkey.
So you are back to the 4 choices and no negotiations?Who would that be? I have pointed out that whichever of the 4 deals are decided today, it will only please a minority of the 52% who voted leave, and a small minority of all voters including remain.
You call that democracy? You voted under a false premise anyway.
The rules fit as the EU decides. Just like the rules and regulations. They are allowed to break them. But if the rules that they have brought in can be used as a stick to beat with they have to be kept to.I see its likely that UK citizens resident in an EU country will be granted residency in that country alone. Funny that, it's almost like it's 27 different countries rather than a superstate.
Are you now going to show some pro Brexit tweets?
Yeah OK Mart.You don’t know what cherry picking means.
No it actually proves it is a superstate - same as Czech citizen rights in the Iron Curtain
Yes the Italians are much more family orientated than we are. Love the country and people.Thanks! I've lived over there before for a few years but that was working for a British company with other British workers. Part of me is sad for leaving the UK but also I am excited by it but leaving my family behind will be tough, especially as I now have a 2 year old nephew but my parents are considering moving back over to Ireland themselves at some point too.
I will of course miss the Sky Blues, which is going to be tough as well but will get my football fix for serie a and b for now; my new boss has already arranged a day out on the beers together and watching Hellas Verona.
My girlfriend has never really settled here and we all know how important family is to them.
The rules fit as the EU decides. Just like the rules and regulations. They are allowed to break them. But if the rules that they have brought in can be used as a stick to beat with they have to be kept to.
And you are fine with this?
Yes the Italians are much more family orientated than we are. Love the country and people.
Just hope everything goes well for you.
Or why are laws made for them?How on earth does it prove it's a superstate? If it's a superstate, why do laws vary internally?
There are 4 'leaves' on the table at the moment. All incompatible. So which one, leave version, did people vote for? Did more people vote for remain than any of the other, leave, alternatives.
Or why are laws made for them?
It is a long term project. The longer it goes on the more it changes. The more you have less say on what you can and can't do. Look at it from when we joined. It is like Hotel California. You can check out any time you like but you can never leave.
I haven't got a clue what will happen. Nobody does.The UK is leaving so what do you expect to happen? It doesn't care about its citizens in other countries and prevents them from voting after 15 years. You then have the odious May describing these people as 'citizens of nowhere'.
But it doesn't have to be so hard. It has been made as hard as possible for a reason. If the EU wanted it to be easy it would be easy to do.Apart from the UK is actually leaving, it's just that ministers misled the public with how easy it would be to leave.
I wasn't aware that the EU had told Holland that it could open coffee shops where people can smoke cannabis inside or that it had forced Portugal to decriminalise drugs. Or perhaps it's because sovereign countries make their own laws?
Anyway, will leave it here for now, spent a couple of hours down the boxing gym this morning with some pretty intense sparring and hands won't stop shaking
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Brexit is one thing the EU will need to deal with swiftly, the EU have a lot of other problems. The pigeons are coming home to roost.
But it doesn't have to be so hard. It has been made as hard as possible for a reason. If the EU wanted it to be easy it would be easy to do.
Yes Mart.
So when we was pushed towards joining the EU what did we actually agree on?
When we decided to join the EEC what did we actually agree on?
Correct. Nothing like what it has become.
So what will the rules be like in just 5 years time?
What did we agree on when the Corn Laws were past? What did we agree on before someone allowed women to vote? The world, including the EU has moved on .... even if you and Grendel are stuck in the 70‘s with NF and co. arguing against the EEC.
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Desperately clutching at straws. How apt that you have to refer back to the Corn Laws.
Not clutching to anything. It is some others missing the 70s. I can understand that things evolve in the EU and the UK. Some think that only the EU has become more of a union. They ignore the evolution, without referenda, of the UK.
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