The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (13 Viewers)

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
Are you in agreement with Canada+, Norway, Chequers or no deal? Genuinely interested? You must be unhappy with three of them.

I am in agreement with them all dropping their egos. I am in favour of all of them coming to a trade agreement that benefits all.

You make out that we do best out of being in the EU. But look at the trade between us. It is the EU that should want a free trade agreement as they would benefit the most. It would secure millions of jobs for the people of the EU.

But they are not about securing jobs for the people of the EU. They are about trying to force us to stay in the EU.

And if it is all take and no give then I say leave without a deal. Don't pay the so called divorce bill. We said we would pay when we strike a deal. We could spend it in the UK and on our own people for once. They want us to half stay in so we can't make our own trade deals. If they don't want to be fair we should leave 100%. We control our own currency. We could devalue if needed. This would make our exports even cheaper. This is what the EU is worried about. If they still want to be all take and no give we should let them have it.

Make them pull out of London. Their rules say they must. Let them have what they want. It would be a disaster for the EU region. We could take our trade elsewhere. This would be a disaster for the EU region.

This would cost them countless billions each year. The amount that we have to PUT into the EU each year would be so insignificant to what would happen. Yes we would have to reshape the UK. But I could see the EU then failing. It won't even pay to sort out Italy. Then you have the other countries that rely on us. They don't want to put the money in that we do. They are on about saving this money.

All a nightmare? If there is no deal it will happen. You make out that all EU countries want this as a solution. You make out that they would prefer this to a decent deal for us. Yet you will be spitting feathers whilst reading this. You will be thinking of what you can put down about the damage it would cause to the UK but say it won't damage the EU as much. But what you always fail to admit is we are strong. Most of the EU countries are not. Yes Germany could cope. But at least regions of every EU country would suffer badly.

So when it comes to election time for these countries what would happen? Would the pro EU parties suddenly get back the votes they have been losing? Quite the opposite. The EU would be finished. But of course you will deny this.

Brexit Is Just One Of Many European Problems

Sick Boy · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Pro EU whatever happens pro Labour whatever happens.

So those drugged out of their brains and that don't have experience in life chant his name. That will make him a good leader?

A huge crass generalisation there.

Astute said:
Are you saying that Labour has nobody better than Corbyn?

Yet putting more words into someone's mouth

Astute said:
If he is the best we have the Tories will win again.

And, yeah, just like the last time when the Tories were supposed to destroy Labour.

Sick Boy · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
I am in agreement with them all dropping their egos. I am in favour of all of them coming to a trade agreement that benefits all.

You make out that we do best out of being in the EU. But look at the trade between us. It is the EU that should want a free trade agreement as they would benefit the most. It would secure millions of jobs for the people of the EU.

But they are not about securing jobs for the people of the EU. They are about trying to force us to stay in the EU.

And if it is all take and no give then I say leave without a deal. Don't pay the so called divorce bill. We said we would pay when we strike a deal. We could spend it in the UK and on our own people for once. They want us to half stay in so we can't make our own trade deals. If they don't want to be fair we should leave 100%. We control our own currency. We could devalue if needed. This would make our exports even cheaper. This is what the EU is worried about. If they still want to be all take and no give we should let them have it.

Make them pull out of London. Their rules say they must. Let them have what they want. It would be a disaster for the EU region. We could take our trade elsewhere. This would be a disaster for the EU region.

This would cost them countless billions each year. The amount that we have to PUT into the EU each year would be so insignificant to what would happen. Yes we would have to reshape the UK. But I could see the EU then failing. It won't even pay to sort out Italy. Then you have the other countries that rely on us. They don't want to put the money in that we do. They are on about saving this money.

All a nightmare? If there is no deal it will happen. You make out that all EU countries want this as a solution. You make out that they would prefer this to a decent deal for us. Yet you will be spitting feathers whilst reading this. You will be thinking of what you can put down about the damage it would cause to the UK but say it won't damage the EU as much. But what you always fail to admit is we are strong. Most of the EU countries are not. Yes Germany could cope. But at least regions of every EU country would suffer badly.

So when it comes to election time for these countries what would happen? Would the pro EU parties suddenly get back the votes they have been losing? Quite the opposite. The EU would be finished. But of course you will deny this.

Brexit Is Just One Of Many European Problems

Still parroting the EU will finish line as well. What happened to Leavers' predictions that Brexit would start a domino effect? Predictions were made that next it'd be France, Austria, Holland etc after their elections. Believe it or not but in other European countries their world does not revolve around the UK.

The 'divorce bill' is not payable as part of a trade deal either, by the way.

The amount of stuff in your post you try to claim is fact is nothing more than your own opinion either, oh sorry, I forget you only speak 'the truth'.

I see you're now advocating a hard Brexit and talking about devaluing the currency intentionally to make exports cheaper, you're sounding more and more like some kind of deluded Tory as each week passes.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Do you have any quotes from these industry leaders?

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Leonardo warns UK, EU of pitfalls of a ‘hard’ Brexit

Italy could still leave EU, senior government adviser says

Matteo Salvini: EU not negotiating Brexit in ‘good faith’

This one is more widespread. And even tells you about our fishing water that was dismissed on here

Where Brexit will hurt most in Europe

Sick Boy · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Leonardo warns UK, EU of pitfalls of a ‘hard’ Brexit

Italy could still leave EU, senior government adviser says

Matteo Salvini: EU not negotiating Brexit in ‘good faith’

This one is more widespread. And even tells you about our fishing water that was dismissed on here

Where Brexit will hurt most in Europe

Using examples from 5Star and Salvini, hahaha! I give up.

You are aware that negotiations have been taking place in secret and an offer is likely to be made to the UK in the coming days?

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
A huge crass generalisation there.

Yet putting more words into someone's mouth

And, yeah, just like the last time when the Tories were supposed to destroy Labour.

The best support you can come out with was where most people are mashed up. Or are festivals different these days?

Putting words in your mouth? The same old line when you don't have an answer. I said Labour needs someone better than Corbyn to take us forward. You agree then deny.

Did I say the Tories would destroy Labour?

What I did say was Labour wouldn't win with Corbyn in place. And they didn't. Yet many tried to paint a defeat as a victory. He has too many skeletons in the closet. He has no presence on stage. He has no charisma.

Does Labour have anyone better? Should that person be put in place?

This is not putting words in your mouth. This is a straight forward question.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
What now? The EU is 27 countries. They back Barnier unaminously as was shown at Salzburg.

Certain people back him. They have to say they do.

But you make out that everyone backs him. They say what they are told to say.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Still parroting the EU will finish line as well. What happened to Leavers' predictions that Brexit would start a domino effect? Predictions were made that next it'd be France, Austria, Holland etc after their elections. Believe it or not but in other European countries their world does not revolve around the UK.

The 'divorce bill' is not payable as part of a trade deal either, by the way.

The amount of stuff in your post you try to claim is fact is nothing more than your own opinion either, oh sorry, I forget you only speak 'the truth'.

I see you're now advocating a hard Brexit and talking about devaluing the currency intentionally to make exports cheaper, you're sounding more and more like some kind of deluded Tory as each week passes.

How about the Pro EU that our jobless total would go through the roof if we voted leave? We now have record employment.

What about house prices crashing? They continued to go up.

What about share.prices crashing? That didn't happen either.

That was after something happening.

Brexit hasn't happened yet. The EU k owns they must punish us to scare the rest into staying. They need to punish us. They keep trying to make us change.our minds and stay in.

Nobody knows what will happen after we leave. We.need to know what sort of deal......Or no deal there is before we start guessing.

And there you go again. Find a quote from someone who has nothing to do with anything and it is suddenly what many are saying.

Sick Boy · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
The best support you can come out with was where most people are mashed up. Or are festivals different these days?

Putting words in your mouth? The same old line when you don't have an answer. I said Labour needs someone better than Corbyn to take us forward. You agree then deny.

Did I say the Tories would destroy Labour?

What I did say was Labour wouldn't win with Corbyn in place. And they didn't. Yet many tried to paint a defeat as a victory. He has too many skeletons in the closet. He has no presence on stage. He has no charisma.

Does Labour have anyone better? Should that person be put in place?

This is not putting words in your mouth. This is a straight forward question.

His best support was arguably against all odds when May was expected to win by a landslide and lost her majority. As for the festivals bit, not everyone who goes to festivals takes drugs and 18-24 year olds drink a lot less as a whole when compared to previous generations.

He has improved a lot with his delivery in public speeches and I wouldn't say he has less charisma than May, who is an awkward embarrassment.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Using examples from 5Star and Salvini, hahaha! I give up.

You are aware that negotiations have been taking place in secret and an offer is likely to be made to the UK in the coming days?

What about the other links?

And it is you saying you are going to Italy. Safer bet than the UK? That is why I put them in for you.

Yes they are having talks. Macron has supposed to have changed his tune. There are quotes all over about it. He isn't doing well at home. The French are worried. The French are turning against him.

But as Mart says everyone is united against us.

Sick Boy · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
How about the Pro EU that our jobless total would go through the roof if we voted leave? We now have record employment.

What about house prices crashing? They continued to go up.

What about share.prices crashing? That didn't happen either.

That was after something happening.

Brexit hasn't happened yet. The EU k owns they must punish us to scare the rest into staying. They need to punish us. They keep trying to make us change.our minds and stay in.

Nobody knows what will happen after we leave. We.need to know what sort of deal......Or no deal there is before we start guessing.

And there you go again. Find a quote from someone who has nothing to do with anything and it is suddenly what many are saying.

The EU isn't trying to do all it can to make the UK stay in, it's negotiating to protect itself, as it's entitled to do. It's being painted that way by the anti-Brexit press.

Trade talks between the UK and the EU are yet to even start, by which time the UK will have agreed to the exit negotiations and conditions.

Sick Boy · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
What about the other links?

And it is you saying you are going to Italy. Safer bet than the UK? That is why I put them in for you.

Yes they are having talks. Macron has supposed to have changed his tune. There are quotes all over about it. He isn't doing well at home. The French are worried. The French are turning against him.

But as Mart says everyone is united against us.

I don't have a subscription to the FT, for some reason it's possible to read articles from Google but not when posted as links.

I will be better off financially in Italy compared to the UK and working for a growing company that's booming across the EU at the moment and shortly expanding into Ireland. Italy is not on the verge of leaving the EU either.

Yeah, it's all down to Macron being weak, and nothing to do with both sides wanting to find an agreement and the UK having made concessions over the last 6 months.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Certain people back him. They have to say they do.

But you make out that everyone backs him. They say what they are told to say.

27 democratically elected heads of state backed Barnier. 0 Backed May. Who told 27 heads of state to back Barnier?

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
His best support was arguably against all odds when May was expected to win by a landslide and lost her majority. As for the festivals bit, not everyone who goes to festivals takes drugs and 18-24 year olds drink a lot less as a whole when compared to previous generations.

He has improved a lot with his delivery in public speeches and I wouldn't say he has less charisma than May, who is an awkward embarrassment.

I agree with you on May. And have always said the same.

But what some love to ignore is that she was a big believer of remain. It is still what she would personally prefer. But she took up the job of taking us out. So now she gets attacked from both sides. Not an easy situation to be in. Neither side has trust in her.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
What about the other links?

And it is you saying you are going to Italy. Safer bet than the UK? That is why I put them in for you.

Yes they are having talks. Macron has supposed to have changed his tune. There are quotes all over about it. He isn't doing well at home. The French are worried. The French are turning against him.

But as Mart says everyone is united against us.

Every country in the EU stood by Barnier at Salzburg. That is not Mart‘s opinion. It is documented fact.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
I agree with you on May. And have always said the same.

But what some love to ignore is that she was a big believer of remain. It is still what she would personally prefer. But she took up the job of taking us out. So now she gets attacked from both sides. Not an easy situation to be in. Neither side has trust in her.

Yes, Brexit is making people do things against what they know to be the best thing to do. This can only end in tears. A minority of the whole of people with voting rights voted for , any one of, at present, 4 different versions of leave. Whichever leave is chosen it will satisfy only a minority of the minority who voted or could have voted.

But you are still trying to find reasons for this madness.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
I don't have a subscription to the FT, for some reason it's possible to read articles from Google but not when posted as links.

I will be better off financially in Italy compared to the UK and working for a growing company that's booming across the EU at the moment and shortly expanding into Ireland. Italy is not on the verge of leaving the EU either.

Yeah, it's all down to Macron being weak, and nothing to do with both sides wanting to find an agreement and the UK having made concessions over the last 6 months.

Fair play to you.

I have moved several times for the best of future for my family. And it isn't always an easy thing to do.

Yes Macron is weaker than he thought. He got in by saying he would reduce income tax and make changes. But when he tried he brought France to a standstill. He knows he can't ignore the voters anymore. He has regions of France on his back. He has to try and keep them happy. The French are much more militant than us in the UK. They are where we were in the days of Maggie. Their unions are strong.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
27 democratically elected heads of state backed Barnier. 0 Backed May. Who told 27 heads of state to back Barnier?

Back to those who follow what they are told and not the man in the street or those who have businesses to run.

Are you saying that the man on the street or those who run businesses will be ignored? If they are the EU will be in for a very hard time. But if course you will deny this.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Back to those who follow what they are told and not the man in the street or those who have businesses to run.

Are you saying that the man on the street or those who run businesses will be ignored? If they are the EU will be in for a very hard time. But if course you will deny this.

How can a country express itself other than through electing a party which provides a PM or president?

No matter what the facts are, you just come out with some crap excuse.

And.. Brexit is ignoring business and ultimately it will be the man in the street that suffers the hit. To quote a leading Brexiteer: Fuck business!

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
Yes, Brexit is making people do things against what they know to be the best thing to do. This can only end in tears. A minority of the whole of people with voting rights voted for , any one of, at present, 4 different versions of leave. Whichever leave is chosen it will satisfy only a minority of the minority who voted or could have voted.

But you are still trying to find reasons for this madness.

Come on Mart.

The reasons for it happening have already happened. Yes it is madness. But you always ignore what I say on the subject because you don't like the truth on the rest I say.

Four different versions of leave?

So nothing else could happen?

That would be what negotiations would be about. And it looks as though it could be happening right now. But we don't know for sure. Negotiating is about all sides wanting what is best for all.....or one side wanting everything and the other side prepared to capitulate.

Can't see us being prepared to capitulate. You can't see the EU being prepared to negotiate what is best for all sides. If both sides won't move it will be leaving without a deal.

The reason I brought up the possible banking crisis in the EU was about the deal which might come from it. It shows that it isn't just the UK that has to be careful. One wrong move from those in the EU could cause a catastrophic event that finishes the EU dream. But you will never admit how much damage could be caused to the EU. It is all about the damage that could be caused to the UK and nothing else.

Grendel · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
So you would take Norway with free movement and regulatory alignment? But with no say? Or you would take a crash out, WTO and a Fox USA or Rees Mogg deregulation and drop all tariffs deal? Or Canada style FTA, which would mean a possible sea border with NI? Or you would back Chequers, which in it’s present form won’t be accepted?

Which one of those is more in the country‘s interest than remain?

Or would you put yourself in the caricature „leaver“ class of thick, gullible, misguided and clueless „ just get on with it“ ( whatever „it“ is ) type?

All of the above are more suitable as they allow us a freedom from future moves to a European superstate - a desire for fiscal and monetary union with increasing contributions from the economic powers in the group to prop up rag tag tinpot countries like Romania and Hungary.

Your last paragraph sums you up for the bigoted old Kraut you really are.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Grendel said:
All of the above are more suitable as they allow us a freedom from future moves to a European superstate - a desire for fiscal and monetary union with increasing contributions from the economic powers in the group to prop up rag tag tinpot countries like Romania and Hungary.

Your last paragraph sums you up for the bigoted old Kraut you really are.

There is no superstate. We have veto rights. Romania and Hungary are wealthier than they were.

Fiscal and monetary union are not necessarily a disadvantage. Depends on the the terms.

Seems that you have backed the wrong horse if you are prepared to take any crap to avoid something that doesn’t exist or won’t exist without our agreement.

And yes, leavers are caricatured, and that has nothing to do with me.

But, if the cap fits, wear it...

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
How can a country express itself other than through electing a party which provides a PM or president?

No matter what the facts are, you just come out with some crap excuse.

And.. Brexit is ignoring business and ultimately it will be the man in the street that suffers the hit. To quote a leading Brexiteer: Fuck business!

Crap excuses?

I have a go at all sides. You do not. Yet you say it is me making excuses. So what excuses have I made? I have a go at the Tories. I have a go at Labour. I have a go at UKIP voters who didn't want to leave. But I don't have a go at those who voted leave or remain. It comes down to personal choice. And we had nothing but lies from nearly everyone before the vote.

Any chance of proving something for once?

I could be on here solidly for the next month listing the excuses you have come out with. You only attack one side and defend the other. That means you constantly come out with excuses.

Yes this Brexit debacle shouldn't be happening. We agree on something. But that doesn't mean I should arse lick those ruining the EU or any political party from the UK or anywhere in the EU.

We should want what is best for all. The man on the street in any EU country.....That includes us.....shouldn't suffer because of egos and those who don't care about us. We shouldn't be used as pawns in a game of attrition.

But you are 100% behind the EU. You will see it differently.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Come on Mart.

The reasons for it happening have already happened. Yes it is madness. But you always ignore what I say on the subject because you don't like the truth on the rest I say.

Four different versions of leave?

So nothing else could happen?

That would be what negotiations would be about. And it looks as though it could be happening right now. But we don't know for sure. Negotiating is about all sides wanting what is best for all.....or one side wanting everything and the other side prepared to capitulate.

Can't see us being prepared to capitulate. You can't see the EU being prepared to negotiate what is best for all sides. If both sides won't move it will be leaving without a deal.

The reason I brought up the possible banking crisis in the EU was about the deal which might come from it. It shows that it isn't just the UK that has to be careful. One wrong move from those in the EU could cause a catastrophic event that finishes the EU dream. But you will never admit how much damage could be caused to the EU. It is all about the damage that could be caused to the UK and nothing else.

One side is a union with existing rules. The other is leaving the union and wants the union to accommodate it by changing it‘s rules. It cannot change it’s rules without unanimous consent of 27 partners.

It is up to the one that is leaving to find a way of leaving in it’s best possible interests. It has been offered Canada + or Norway. Doesn’t want either and has no alternative workable proposal.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Crap excuses?

I have a go at all sides. You do not. Yet you say it is me making excuses. So what excuses have I made? I have a go at the Tories. I have a go at Labour. I have a go at UKIP voters who didn't want to leave. But I don't have a go at those who voted leave or remain. It comes down to personal choice. And we had nothing but lies from nearly everyone before the vote.

Any chance of proving something for once?

I could be on here solidly for the next month listing the excuses you have come out with. You only attack one side and defend the other. That means you constantly come out with excuses.

Yes this Brexit debacle shouldn't be happening. We agree on something. But that doesn't mean I should arse lick those ruining the EU or any political party from the UK or anywhere in the EU.

We should want what is best for all. The man on the street in any EU country.....That includes us.....shouldn't suffer because of egos and those who don't care about us. We shouldn't be used as pawns in a game of attrition.

But you are 100% behind the EU. You will see it differently.

I cannot see why 27 should change their system just because the UK is leaving. The UK chose to leave. It’s democracy, apparently, get over it. They UK has been offered 2 alternatives and the EU has rejected a third because it breaks their rules, that leaves the fourth scenario of no deal. I don’t know of another scenario on the table. Do you? The EU thinks the 2 offers are good for the UK, as do some MPs, and want a good future trading relationship. Cherry picking is not on the table and will never be. An absurd request or, better said, idea from the Farage loons before the referendum and BoJo after the referendum.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
There is no superstate. We have veto rights. Romania and Hungary are wealthier than they were.

Fiscal and monetary union are not necessarily a disadvantage. Depends on the the terms.

Seems that you have backed the wrong horse if you are prepared to take any crap to avoid something that doesn’t exist or won’t exist without our agreement.

And yes, leavers are caricatured, and that has nothing to do with me.

But, if the cap fits, wear it...

So what about those ruining the EU saying about veto rights being taken away in the near future? You was all for it. But when it is forgotten about you call it something good.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-e...-governments-veto-powers-on-tax-idUKKBN1CT2FO

So it could be brought in under the pretence of it being for certain reasons. But then it could easily be brought in for other reasons.

And then you have article 7 which removes the veto rights of EU members.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
So what about those ruining the EU saying about veto rights being taken away in the near future? You was all for it. But when it is forgotten about you call it something good.

EU Commission aims move to reduce governments' veto powers on tax | Reuters

So it could be brought in under the pretence of it being for certain reasons. But then it could easily be brought in for other reasons.

And then you have article 7 which removes the veto rights of EU members.

„some“ veto rights. Not all veto rights.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
So what about those ruining the EU saying about veto rights being taken away in the near future? You was all for it. But when it is forgotten about you call it something good.

EU Commission aims move to reduce governments' veto powers on tax | Reuters

So it could be brought in under the pretence of it being for certain reasons. But then it could easily be brought in for other reasons.

And then you have article 7 which removes the veto rights of EU members.

„The so-called “passerelle” clause, enshrined in Article 48 of the treaty, could be used for “internal market matters,” the EU executive said in its work programme for next year“

Internal market matters.... no army, no forced superstate... just some market matters which includes some fiscal measures..

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
I cannot see why 27 should change their system just because the UK is leaving. The UK chose to leave. It’s democracy, apparently, get over it. They UK has been offered 2 alternatives and the EU has rejected a third because it breaks their rules, that leaves the fourth scenario of no deal. I don’t know of another scenario on the table. Do you? The EU thinks the 2 offers are good for the UK, as do some MPs, and want a good future trading relationship. Cherry picking is not on the table and will never be. An absurd request or, better said, idea from the Farage loons before the referendum and BoJo after the referendum.

Here you go ignoring what I have said yet again.

Negotiations are supposedly on going. Do you know what is being said or negotiated?

Cherry picking? So the EU won't be able to fish in our water. They won't be able to come to an agreement of taking over from parts of London but keep London where they can't take over safely and to the benefit of the EU?

But yeah only the UK wants to cherry pick. We hear you Mart. You also know what is going on with the negotiations that are supposedly happening right now.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Crap excuses?

I have a go at all sides. You do not. Yet you say it is me making excuses. So what excuses have I made? I have a go at the Tories. I have a go at Labour. I have a go at UKIP voters who didn't want to leave. But I don't have a go at those who voted leave or remain. It comes down to personal choice. And we had nothing but lies from nearly everyone before the vote.

Any chance of proving something for once?

I could be on here solidly for the next month listing the excuses you have come out with. You only attack one side and defend the other. That means you constantly come out with excuses.

Yes this Brexit debacle shouldn't be happening. We agree on something. But that doesn't mean I should arse lick those ruining the EU or any political party from the UK or anywhere in the EU.

We should want what is best for all. The man on the street in any EU country.....That includes us.....shouldn't suffer because of egos and those who don't care about us. We shouldn't be used as pawns in a game of attrition.

But you are 100% behind the EU. You will see it differently.

What egos? What are you on about?

People like me are being used as pawns which is why I had to get German citizenship.

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
„some“ veto rights. Not all veto rights.

And you know that the veto removal wouldn't be extended in the future?

Astute · Oct 14, 2018

martcov said:
What egos? What are you on about?

People like me are being used as pawns which is why I had to get German citizenship.

So now there are no egos in the EU or political parties throughout the EU?

Egos & in-fighting: Cracks reported in EU’s Brexit front with leaders ‘not happy’ about Barnier

EC President Juncker Calls to Put Egos Aside - MarketPulse

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
Here you go ignoring what I have said yet again.

Negotiations are supposedly on going. Do you know what is being said or negotiated?

Cherry picking? So the EU won't be able to fish in our water. They won't be able to come to an agreement of taking over from parts of London but keep London where they can't take over safely and to the benefit of the EU?

But yeah only the UK wants to cherry pick. We hear you Mart. You also know what is going on with the negotiations that are supposedly happening right now.

You don’t know what cherry picking means.

SIR ERNIE · Oct 14, 2018

Sick Boy said:
I will be better off financially in Italy compared to the UK and working for a growing company that's booming across the EU at the moment and shortly expanding into Ireland. Italy is not on the verge of leaving the EU either.

Good luck to you. Yet you criticise me for preparing me to relocate my business to Ireland (also for financial reasons) should Corbyn's shower gain power.

martcov · Oct 14, 2018

Astute said:
So now there are no egos in the EU or political parties throughout the EU?

Egos & in-fighting: Cracks reported in EU’s Brexit front with leaders ‘not happy’ about Barnier

EC President Juncker Calls to Put Egos Aside - MarketPulse

2015 Juncker asking all parties to the table.

Opinion piece from the Kremlin.

Interesting though what Barnier said before negotiations started:

“There is no place [for financial services],” the veteran French politician said. “There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It doesn’t exist.” He said the outcome was a consequence of “the red lines that the British have chosen themselves. In leaving the single market, they lose the financial services passport.”

Which is why Carney is still waiting for a reaction to his warnings.

Rightly or wrongly.

But, as he says, we set the red lines.

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