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Cov City Daytrader 87 · Jul 25, 2018

torchomatic said:
Call me blinkered but ANYONE who sympathises with Tommy Robinson is a racist and a xenophobe. Maybe they don't realise it.

Spare me from the "free speech", "Main stream media manipulation" bollocks.

Okay here's something you may like to know. Remember when Tommy was on Good Morning Britain? and of course the presenter grilled him for being racist and xenophobic.

Guess what happened before Tommy Robinson left the studio? The majority if not all of the staff behind Good Morning Britain shook his hand and keep up the good work.

Now if they hated Tommy Robinson that much wouldn't they ignore him or tell him where to go and hope he gets what he deserves?

And another thing what Tommy Robinson supporters are not only just white, but also Sikh, Hindu, Chinese, Afro-Caribbean Jewish and Muslim?

Then I guess the 2 infamous words are Xenophobe and racist.

The good news I won't call you blinkered because you chose it by choice, mindset, bias and belief system.

I left you with this quote from Denzel Washington: 'If you don't read/watch the news, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed'.

clint van damme · Jul 25, 2018

Cov City Daytrader 87 said:
Okay here's something you may like to know. Remember when Tommy was on Good Morning Britain? and of course the presenter grilled him for being racist and xenophobic.

Guess what happened before Tommy Robinson left the studio? The majority if not all of the staff behind Good Morning Britain shook his hand and keep up the good work.

Now if they hated Tommy Robinson that much wouldn't they ignore him or tell him where to go and hope he gets what he deserves?

And another thing what Tommy Robinson supporters are not only just white, but also Sikh, Hindu, Chinese, Afro-Caribbean Jewish and Muslim?

Then I guess the 2 infamous words are Xenophobe and racist.

The good news I won't call you blinkered because you chose it by choice, mindset, bias and belief system.

I left you with this quote from Denzel Washington: 'If you don't read/watch the news, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed'.

I get the case for Tommy Robinson not being racist, even if I'm not 100% convinced of it myself I can see the validity of the arguments.
But to deny he has a large number of racist, extreme right wing followers is burying your head in the sand.
That may not be his fault, but it is a fact.

torchomatic · Jul 25, 2018

clint van damme said:
I get the case for Tommy Robinson not being racist, even if I'm not 100% convinced of it myself I can see the validity of the arguments.
But to deny he has a large number of racist, extreme right wing followers is burying your head in the sand.
That may not be his fault, but it is a fact.

Yeah, but the people on Good Morning Britain like him.

Tommy Robinson in conversation:

I just saw someone planting a timebomb or as the Muslim woman involved would call it. 'having a baby'.

skybluetony176 · Jul 25, 2018

torchomatic said:
Here's one of those cuddly Tommy Robinson fans.

“Are you with Tommy Robinson or against him”

Interesting quote. It’s almost like some people are actively trying to promote two sides with no middle ground. Some people clearly want a race war. It’s like the Manson family all over again.

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

martcov said:
What? I am not allowed to critise the biggest cock up in post war Britain because you don’t like it? There is only one answer to that snowflake. Go and cry somewhere else.

Yes you are allowed...in fact you have - tediously, but passionately, consistently & persistently day after day. And for what? What success has it bought you?

To be honest, I fail to see what your objectives are & think you're wasting time & effort on this thread with your spoutings.

Many of your arguments don't even resonate with me.

As for 'snowflake' & 'crying'...errr...yeah right. Except you are the one that bleats day in day out going over the same old ground until your researching (I use the word loosley) trawls up some different negative snippet.

You're a joke & a really sore loser. Throw your toys out of the pram...go German...disown the UK...trawl for negatives...slate the UK & all who value it...do whatever you want...but please just shut the fuck up!!!

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skybluetony176 · Jul 25, 2018

ccfchoi87 said:
Oh right I obviously haven't seen enough of him. What has he said that's racist? They are a lunatic if they disagree with you though?

If he wasn’t a racist why isn’t he talking all paedophiles instead choosing to target only Muslim gangs? Who actually only make up a small percentage of of paedophiles. Why isn’t he targeting institutions such as the Catholic Church, COE, the care system, the BBC and wider entertainment industry?

Targeting Muslims is more important to him than targeting a certain type of criminal. That’s what makes him a racist.

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

torchomatic said:
Call me blinkered but ANYONE who sympathises with Tommy Robinson is a racist and a xenophobe. Maybe they don't realise it.

Spare me from the "free speech", "Main stream media manipulation" bollocks.

But see...the EU treads very carefully (pussyfoots even) with Iran thanks to French influence.

This is the same Iran that has clear intent to obliterate a whole nation.
Iran pledges to destroy Israel within 25 years as tensions rise

But you just focus on a few individuals that have some sympathy for what the vast majority of us believe to be a ignoramus & relatively ineffective maniac.

Maybe that is where the 'blinkers' come into play?

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ccfchoi87 · Jul 25, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
If he wasn’t a racist why isn’t he talking all paedophiles instead choosing to target only Muslim gangs? Who actually only make up a small percentage of of paedophiles. Why isn’t he targeting institutions such as the Catholic Church, COE, the care system, the BBC and wider entertainment industry?

Targeting Muslims is more important to him than targeting a certain type of criminal. That’s what makes him a racist.

Thanks for your response I was just interested. The others ignored the questions and rambled on about his supporters. I'm sure Coventry city has a few racist fans but that doesn't make us racist.

I don't think Tommy is racist in fact far from it and no one has been able to give me a racist quote. At least you actually gave a reason.

shmmeee · Jul 25, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
If he wasn’t a racist why isn’t he talking all paedophiles instead choosing to target only Muslim gangs? Who actually only make up a small percentage of of paedophiles. Why isn’t he targeting institutions such as the Catholic Church, COE, the care system, the BBC and wider entertainment industry?

Targeting Muslims is more important to him than targeting a certain type of criminal. That’s what makes him a racist.

To be fair to the racists Asians make up a disproportionate percentage of sexual.abuse convictions. They're right about that.

Specifically south Pakistani IIRC.

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

torchomatic said:
Here's one of those cuddly Tommy Robinson fans.

Despicable.

But surely you arent going to say his opposite equals on the extreme left are relatively nice people?

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torchomatic · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Despicable.

But surely you arent going to say his opposite equals on the extreme left are relatively nice people?

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I'm a moderate, so no I'm not. The hard left are just as bad.

skybluetony176 · Jul 25, 2018

Watching who is America the other night and the stark differences between trump followers reactions to Sachs Baron Cohen’s characters and more conservative peoples reactions is massive. For example he played a Trump supporting red neck type and was talking to a CNN commentator about fake news and specifically the difference between Trumps inauguration and Obama’s saying the fake news was there was less at Trumps and more at Obama’s claiming things like at Obama’s was full of shop dummies etc. and the CNN commentator politely corrected him and said that there was no point continuing the interview, Trump type followers on the other hand got bat shit hysterically angry when challenged.

So I’ve come to this conclusion. If you’re not bat shit crazy hysterically angry you must be a leftie, looney leftie, softie leftie or all three. I’d just call you a normal, sensible human being myself with an ability to be calm and consider all things before going bat shit crazy hysterically angry.

torchomatic · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
But see...the EU treads very carefully (pussyfoots even) with Iran thanks to French influence.

This is the same Iran that has clear intent to obliterate a whole nation.
Iran pledges to destroy Israel within 25 years as tensions rise

But you just focus on a few individuals that have some sympathy for what the vast majority of us believe to be a ignoramus & relatively ineffective maniac.

Maybe that is where the 'blinkers' come into play?

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Vast majority? If I'm blinkered for not agreeing with the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, then thank god I am.

clint van damme · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Despicable.

But surely you arent going to say his opposite equals on the extreme left are relatively nice people?

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can you give some examples of where anyone on the left has carried out the murder of an MP or drove a car at and killed car at bystanders recently in this country?

skybluetony176 · Jul 25, 2018

ccfchoi87 said:
Thanks for your response I was just interested. The others ignored the questions and rambled on about his supporters. I'm sure Coventry city has a few racist fans but that doesn't make us racist.

I don't think Tommy is racist in fact far from it and no one has been able to give me a racist quote. At least you actually gave a reason.

He’s too smart to be caught spouting anything racist. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a racist though. As the old saying goes actions speak louder than words.

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

shmmeee said:
To be fair to the racists Asians make up a disproportionate percentage of sexual.abuse convictions. They're right about that.

Specifically south Pakistani IIRC.

Errr...to be fair to the right-wing extremists. The Asian/Indian/Polish/German/American etc communities all have their fair share of extremists who hate others because of their skin, religion, sexual orientation or whatever.
It is human nature that every group of like minded individuals have a scapegoat...it reinforces their bonds & reason for being

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SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

torchomatic said:
Vast majority? If I'm blinkered for not agreeing with the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, then thank god I am.

Yes - the vast majority of us ignore these empty heads. A relative few challenge them (me & a fair few others do if a witness to it happening), and far fewer actually grow to accept & follow the lead

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clint van damme · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Yes - the vast majority of us ignore these empty heads. A relative few challenge them (me & a fair few others do if a witness to it happening), and far fewer actually grow to accept & follow the lead

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I have said it many times there are many, many more erudite, thoughtful, intelligent and articulate speakers and polemicists who tackle the issues surrounding of militant Islam and Islam in general.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 25, 2018

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clint van damme said:
I have said it many times there are many, many more erudite, thoughtful, intelligent and articulate speakers and polemicists who tackle the issues surrounding of militant Islam and Islam in general.

Unfortunately, the ranters end up getting in the way of any kind of rational discussion, as their voice tends to be louder. All they do is polarise and cause division, rather than engaging and discussing.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 25, 2018

Hmmm, I could delete the random kkks in my last post, but they're somehow appropriate in a discussion about racism!

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

clint van damme said:
can you give some examples of where anyone on the left has carried out the murder of an MP or drove a car at and killed car at bystanders recently in this country?

No I can't. Can you be so certain there are none?

There are certainly many examples of verbal & physical abuse, and even threat to life aimed at individuals for merely crossing a picket line in order to perform their own role in order to feed their family. Many examples of attempts to spark unrest & unrest itself.

Globally, there have probably been as many murders & misdemanours by extremists of whatever political tag you care to give them. Both recently & historically.

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martcov · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Yes you are allowed...in fact you have - tediously, but passionately, consistently & persistently day after day. And for what? What success has it bought you?

To be honest, I fail to see what your objectives are & think you're wasting time & effort on this thread with your spoutings.

Many of your arguments don't even resonate with me.

As for 'snowflake' & 'crying'...errr...yeah right. Except you are the one that bleats day in day out going over the same old ground until your researching (I use the word loosley) trawls up some different negative snippet.

You're a joke & a really sore loser. Throw your toys out of the pram...go German...disown the UK...trawl for negatives...slate the UK & all who value it...do whatever you want...but please just shut the fuck up!!!

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What are you on about? What have you achieved, apart from making yourself look a Wally? ( I am being polite). No doubt I am wasting my time and effort with you. That is obvious. One can only speculate as to why that may be.

Everyday that this fiasco goes on a new „snippet“ comes out. Hardly surprising and nothing to do with me „trawling“. I don’t need to „trawl“.

I haven’t slated the UK and I haven’t disowned it. I have criticised what is happening though and the people who are responsible for this cock up.

If any one has thrown their toys out of the pram it is you. Things are not going the way you want with Brexit and people don’t feel the same as you about Tommy Robinson. Get over it. Stop crying about it.

torchomatic · Jul 25, 2018

Deleted member 5849 said:
Hmmm, I could delete the random kkks in my last post, but they're somehow appropriate in a discussion about racism!

To be honest, that's the only reason I liked your post!

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

martcov said:
What are you on about? What have you achieved, apart from making yourself look a Wally? ( I am being polite). No doubt I am wasting my time and effort with you. That is obvious. One can only speculate as to why that may be.

Everyday that this fiasco goes on a new „snippet“ comes out. Hardly surprising and nothing to do with me „trawling“. I don’t need to „trawl“.

I haven’t slated the UK and I haven’t disowned it. I have criticised what is happening though and the people who are responsible for this cock up.

If any one has thrown their toys out of the pram it is you. Things are not going the way you want with Brexit and people don’t feel the same as you about Tommy Robinson. Get over it. Stop crying about it.

But you still can't say what you are trying to achieve with all your bleating.

If any generally comment about Germany is an insult to your daughter in your eyes - then any snipe at the UK or it's handling of Brexit is a snipe at everyone that has not deserted it.

It may yet be the best thing that has happened to the UK. Time will tell. Certainly things seem to be moving at an increasing pace towards Brexit now...not sure what things aren't going my way about it. Unless you know more than I do about what I want from it...no toys out of my pram at all.

And your are clearly in manic rant mode on the Tommy Robinson thing.

He is, possibly, probably, hopefully a bigger twit than you...and I pay no attention to his rantings.

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clint van damme · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
No I can't. Can you be so certain there are none?

There are certainly many examples of verbal & physical abuse, and even threat to life aimed at individuals for merely crossing a picket line in order to perform their own role in order to feed their family. Many examples of attempts to spark unrest & unrest itself.

Globally, there have probably been as many murders & misdemanours by extremists of whatever political tag you care to give them. Both recently & historically.

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I think I can say with some certainty that no one on the left in this country has murdered an MP recently yes!
I'm not saying there isn't a violent element on the left but the extreme right have become emboldened and are currently taking things to another level.
Even the police have spoken about the threat of the extreme right.

SkyblueBazza · Jul 25, 2018

clint van damme said:
I think I can say with some certainty that no one on the left in this country has murdered an MP recently yes!
I'm not saying there isn't a violent element on the left but the extreme right have become emboldened and are currently taking things to another level.
Even the police have spoken about the threat of the extreme right.

Oh yes...I ackowledge that. I am guessing that I despise these vile people as much as you. Just thankful they largely get treated with the contempt they deserve.

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martcov · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
But you still can't say what you are trying to achieve with all your bleating.

If any generally comment about Germany is an insult to your daughter in your eyes - then any snipe at the UK or it's handling of Brexit is a snipe at everyone that has not deserted it.

It may yet be the best thing that has happened to the UK. Time will tell. Certainly things seem to be moving at an increasing pace towards Brexit now...not sure what things aren't going my way about it. Unless you know more than I do about what I want from it...no toys out of my pram at all.

And your are clearly in manic rant mode on the Tommy Robinson thing.

He is, possibly, probably, hopefully a bigger twit than you...and I pay no attention to his rantings.

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I am merely stating my opinion on Brexit and pointing out where I think the UK has made a mistake.

Where is my rant on Tommy Robinson? I said he has admitted guilt and that was the end of it for me.

Stupid comments on Germany and Germans come under the same category as e.g. stupid comments about Muslims and Islam. And they are insulting when you class all Germans as being in the 4. Reich or a German Superstate. Moreover that terminology shows how ignorant of history or the workings of the EU that you and your ilk are. As has recently been shown by a certain well known poster who embarrassed himself recently.

I am surprised if indeed Brexit is going as you wanted. Each to his own.

According to polls the vast majority, leavers and remainers, are not happy with government‘s handling of Brexit. You seem to be in the minority, not me.

Grendel · Jul 25, 2018

martcov said:
I am merely stating my opinion on Brexit and pointing out where I think the UK has made a mistake.

Where is my rant on Tommy Robinson? I said he has admitted guilt and that was the end of it for me.

Stupid comments on Germany and Germans come under the same category as e.g. stupid comments about Muslims and Islam. And they are insulting when you class all Germans as being in the 4. Reich or a German Superstate. Moreover that terminology shows how ignorant of history or the workings of the EU that you and your ilk are. As has recently been shown by a certain well known poster who embarrassed himself recently.

I am surprised if indeed Brexit is going as you wanted. Each to his own.

According to polls the vast majority, leavers and remainers, are not happy with government‘s handling of Brexit. You seem to be in the minority, not me.

What does Reich mean Mart?

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Yes you are allowed...in fact you have - tediously, but passionately, consistently & persistently day after day. And for what? What success has it bought you?

To be honest, I fail to see what your objectives are & think you're wasting time & effort on this thread with your spoutings.

Many of your arguments don't even resonate with me.

As for 'snowflake' & 'crying'...errr...yeah right. Except you are the one that bleats day in day out going over the same old ground until your researching (I use the word loosley) trawls up some different negative snippet.

You're a joke & a really sore loser. Throw your toys out of the pram...go German...disown the UK...trawl for negatives...slate the UK & all who value it...do whatever you want...but please just shut the fuck up!!!

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Great level of debate there.

Just because doesn't agree with Brexit? How's being negative about Brexit being negative about the UK and those who value it? Or do you mean your own view of what the UK should be? There's plenty of people in Britain who agree with Mart's viewpoint.

Just because someone leaves a country does not mean that their citizenship is void, BTW.

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Yes - the vast majority of us ignore these empty heads. A relative few challenge them (me & a fair few others do if a witness to it happening), and far fewer actually grow to accept & follow the lead

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Presumably you mean in real life as opposed to on here?

Grendel · Jul 25, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Great level of debate there.

Just because doesn't agree with Brexit? How's being negative about Brexit being negative about the UK and those who value it? Or do you mean your own view of what the UK should be? There's plenty of people in Britain who agree with Mart's viewpoint.

Just because someone leaves a country does not mean that their citizenship is void, BTW.

Many may agree to stay but I suspect hardly any agree with his viewpoint.

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2018

Grendel said:
Many may agree to stay but I suspect hardly any agree with his viewpoint.

Many may agree to stay? I very much doubt any remain voters have been persuaded that Brexit is going to be a good idea.

Grendel · Jul 25, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Many may agree to stay? I very much doubt any remain voters have been persuaded that Brexit is going to be a good idea.

No many votes remain due to fear not support of the Eu. Martcov is like a religious extremist and the Eu is the Koran. His tub thumping evangelical nonsense would be despised by the vast majority of uk citizens.

Cov City Daytrader 87 · Jul 25, 2018

clint van damme said:
But to deny he has a large number of racist, extreme right wing followers is burying your head in the sand.

Maybe those followers are from the time when he was with the EDL. Walking away from the EDL is one thing hoping that no one there follows you, that's another.

Also the followers are probably from other far right groups like: Combat 18, BNP, National Front and others.

SIR ERNIE · Jul 25, 2018

torchomatic said:
Britain is a scarier and less tolerant place than it was before June 2016.

...as evidenced by the rabid intolerance and hatred exhibited on a daily basis by Corbyn's Labour loyalists.

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