The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

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  3. Undecided

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  1. martcov

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    Really? not even his far right critics have come out with antics of his similar or as bad as Trump's...
     
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    Your EU darlings. And if the full agenda was out there it wouldn't be hidden would it?
    Reuters article sums it up nicely "Supporters of Brexit admit there may be some short-term pain for Britain's $2.9 trillion economy, but that long-term it will prosper when cut free from the EU which they cast as a failing German-dominated experiment in European integration."

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    Funny that my comments are in complete denial of bullshit being thrown on here and elsewhere. Not everyone takes it in. If you notice, I am not blaming things on foreigners and people of a different religion or colour to myself and I am not agreeing with the far right populists. Most people would count that as more mainstream than "nutter". And accepting the status quo as opposed to happily taking a hit on a risky venture with no guarantee that things will get better is hardly being a 'nutter'.
     
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    Funny that my comments are in complete denial of bullshit being thrown on here and elsewhere. Not everyone takes it in. If you notice, I am not blaming things on foreigners and people of a different religion or colour to myself and I am not agreeing with the far right populists. Most people would count that as more mainstream than "nutter". And accepting the status quo as opposed to happily taking a hit on a risky venture with no guarantee that things will get better is hardly being a 'nutter'.
     
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    And the EU differs how? It is just as much of a risk. It is just that it is a risk you buy into. It is NOT a status quo...the ideals for the EU is a continual drift toward what some would say amounts to a German super-state

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    On the video (which was recorded I assume in the late 80’s) a friend described him as trump with charisma which he laughed at.

    He shrugged his shoulders when told about allegations that Malaysia accused him of criminality, seemed amused that he finds clever ways of tax evasion, said he had no real feelings or guilt regarding taking assets of holocaust victims.

    A real man of the people guy
     
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    Supporters of Brexit..... Yes, I can believe that. But not the rest of the world. All this anti-German bullshit... deflection from years of austerity.... and ... don't forget that when people are insulting Germans, they are insulting my daughter, my missus, my friends, staff and customers. Don't expect sympathy or support from me for the UK's divisive fxxk up.
     
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    You call it "bullshit"...that is contempt for those with a different opinion.
    Who is insulting Germans? And to take any insult directed in a generalisation so personally suggests you are a very sensitive little beast.

    The EU is NOT a status quo. You buy in to the ideals others don't. Britain has decided it has had enough of the slide towards what could easily be claimed as a Federal European State...or German super-state...that doesn't mean they have bought into bullshit, nor that they are right wing extremists, nor that they are 'Little Britain' veterans pining for a byegone era or similar like you persist in eluding to. To me those comments are just as insulting as any I have seen aimed at Germans. Your insults toward anyone that is not especially pro-EU are contemptuous.

    Also, to me - your arguments, whether agreeable in any way or not, are relayed in blinkered & combative style you merely serve to entrench others in their positions...so that just about makes you at least as insulting, deflecting & divisive as ANY other on this thread or beyond!

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    I haven't seen the bit about Malaysia. He has donated over a billion dollars. Not in favour of tax evasion. Yes, that is a similarity to Trump, if true.

    The holocaust victim bit I have seen. The next sentence qualifies that statement. He was a child of 14 ( teenager ) hiding his real name and he said 1. if he didn't do it, someone else would, ( common excuse for those times for Nazis and collobarators ) and 2. he saw himself as a spectator as he was not actually carrying out the taking away of posessions ( he was accompanying someone who was - he was 14 ). He said it formed him and that is why we should see what's coming and try and stop it before it comes. So, yes, that was his admission of some form of guilt. But, you have to have been in that situation to be able to judge. For us from now, it seems like collobration with the enemy. For him, it was to survive. At least he showed candor and seems to be working for liberal democracy at he moment - as opposed to the likes of Bannon. He is funding democratic organisations and critical thinking. The opposite of what Bannon proposes. Soros has not claimed to be a street fighter and blue collar person..... as Bannon has.
     
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    He bankrupted Malaysia and Thailand by taking a run on their currency! He is one of the most obscene examples of capitalism you could imagine.

    He funds organisations as a part means of tax avoidance - no he hasn't claimed anything about representing working classes as he is fat cat who wants to abuse and use them to fund his own greed.
     
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    Talks of a new party of being formed. Described as centrist and...……

    Anti-Brexit?

     
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    More an excuse for snout in the trough losers like cable, Morgan and co to try and cling to office under another banner. That honest broker Nicholas Clegg perhaps sees an opportunity as well. Even Mr Blair could make a comeback. All believe in the same honest politics as Mart so why not.
     
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    And the alternative is........?
     
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    Alternative to what Mart?
     
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    to what you just described....... all these politicians that you just named..
     
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    Oh dear you seem not to be making sense - drinking the proceeds again?
     
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    There is a lot of bullshit. It has even been described by the initiators as leading people up the garden path. Membership of the EU is the status quo. The people pushing the bullshit have many right wing extremists amongst them. I do not insult everyone that is not pro EU and you couldn't resist somehow getting an anti German dig in. You just cannot stop. The faragisms spewing out - 'German super state'...... of course I'm combative.
     
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    I see that Jezza has now come out and nailed his true colours to the mast and sounded a little bit like Trump.

    I wonder how all of those young remain voters who fell for him will feel now?
     
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    Ah yes. Unspecified manufacturers employing unspecified workers to make unspecified products for unspecified people. The Corbyn way.
     
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    Demand Corbyn step down as leader of the Labour party?
     
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    I said before it would his downfall in the long term and think it'll prove to be. The corbynistas I know just answer borrow borrow borrow to any concerns about him.
     
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    Well that’s the end of the left wing ideological dream then as McDonnell is the same. Oh well Emily “white van man” Thornberry is waiting
     
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    I actually believe a lot of what he says on this issue. First Mr McDonnell - now Mr Corbyn what is the world coming to.
     
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    Haha yes was going to say!
     
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    I’ve gone all left wing.

    He’s correct though. Countries like Germany and France wouldn’t farm out production at all - it’s trivial in the grand scheme of things but if the passport issue was reveresed no way would France have accepted a bid from the UK
     
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    Haha .... at least I know the difference between the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire.... And I am on the road for the next few weeks.. cannot drink most days because of driving and build ups. Friday and Saturday a bit ( and I cannot get pissed in work time as I have the responsibility... )... I don’t spend much time in my pub BTW ...
     
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    France invokes a National Security clause to stop this very thing from happening, as does Germany and many other EU countries, as could our government should they choose.
     
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    [email protected] : "The department is working up options with industry for stockpiling medicines, medical devices and substances of human origin in the case of a no-deal Brexit. Obviously there will be a cost for this."

    The utter, utter lunatics who voted for this and the utterly incompetent Government and opppsition who are steering this and letting it happen.
     
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    And there you go again! You spot what ypu see as a potential negative for the UK - & you are right in there!!!
    My guess, from the fairly significant number of Germans I know & do/have worked with, is that they empathise with us Britons. You on the other hand mock & revel in anything to make the nation look bad/silly/incompetent.

    What exactly has the UK done to you to make you this way?

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    At least they will have learned that you can't trust a politician. But many will fall for it next time he offers them everything they want.
     
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    the last Labour manifesto said they would respect the result of the referendum. Corbyn is sticking to what Labour pledged. If people didn't read the manifesto properly that's their fault.
    He hasn't deceived anyone with regard to this issue.
    I still maintain there is ambiguity about what leave means but I don't think we're ever going to clear that one up. Personally, I think it would be best if we remain in the customs union.
     
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    Voted for Brexit. Slurred Germans such as my daughter. Some dubious politicians and journalists like to call the EU which we are part of, the 4. Reich, EUSSR and a German Super State, not to mention the absolutely stupid, and really predictable selfharming handling of Brexit.

    Or to mention taking some of my rights off me and probably damaging the economy of the region in which I live and work.

    It is not my fault that the nation has made itself look bad/silly/ incompetent.

    I made several TV and press Interviews the day after Brexit saying that it was a stupid decision and would end in chaos and that the Irish border would be a major problem. I am not a genius and anyone away from the propaganda in the U.K. could see that coming.

    Don’t blame me or other „snowflake“ remoaners for Britain becoming laughing stock.

    I still think we will get a deal through May, but we will pay the 40 million and, in effect, stay in the CU and SM. No one will be happy and our established parties will split, and the eventual reunification of Ireland will be advanced by decades.

    Enjoy your full English Brexit.
     
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    We are employing more people than ever before. There are 3,5 million EU citizens living and working here and 1 point something unemployed. Send home legal migrants and the economy collapses. Just on the maths. If you revert to 70s Britain , as Corbyn is suggesting, the government ends up directly or indirectly, supporting inefficiency and medium term the economy will collapse.

    If you increase and control the minimum wage, you increase domestic demand and put pressure on firms to increase efficiency to get the best out of the workforce.

    At least it would be worth a try. We know how 70s Britain ended, why go back down that road? We need a younger leader of the opposition and to get away from Corbyn‘s hankering after his youth.

    We also need to stay in the CU and SM. Relying on millionaires and dodgy politicians promising sailing into a glorious sunset outside of the relative safety of a domestic market of 500 million people is a risky venture.
     

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