Astute
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If it was someone from the UK in a high position I would agree.
No need for excuses for those running the EU. We already know what they are like.
If it was someone from the UK in a high position I would agree.Because nobody English has ever taken the piss out of other European countries when they’ve been knocked out.
Not ignored anything. But you haven't made comments about anything I have posted or backed Mart up as you usually do. Is he that hard to back up with his current comments?
La Lega is becoming more racist as it goes along it seems. But you know more than I do. They are compared with Front Nationale (As you mentioned) and the BNP and NF in the UK.
So what point are you ready to pounce on me with?
Was waiting for what your reason for questioning me was.Then surely you must consider UKIP a racist party then? It has been alliances with both parties before in the European parliament.
Then surely you must consider UKIP a racist party then? It has been alliances with both parties before in the European parliament.
I mentioned the lies and fear tactics of the leave campaign the other day. You called yourself a remainer the other day after previously coming out as a leaver even though you've always posted very much from a leave POV.
It seems like you're majorly confused by the whole debate.
Tony passionately argued the case for UKIP not being a racist party.
Because nobody English has ever taken the piss out of other European countries when they’ve been knocked out.
There was never as much right wing influence in Britain as there is today. There will be a few things that get pushed through whilst we are arguing about Brexit. Brexit is a huge part of the news and political discussions. It is a distraction.
This made me laugh. This country right wing. Even the tories are liberals
The UK more right wing than Germany?
Remind us how many Germans voted AfD again Mart.
This made me laugh. This country right wing. Even the tories are liberals
UKIP is finished unless Juncker gets his way and we stay in the EU. So what parties do we have that you count as right wing?
Are they as right wing as millions of Germans who voted that way? And how many in the UK are as bad?
But yeah it is all down to the UK and not Germany. The problem is that we don't believe in fairy tales. We know the truth.
At least one EU offical was pleased to see England knocked out...
England fans outraged as senior EU official appears to mock Gareth Southgate's team following 2-1 defeat to Croatia
The secretary-general of the European Commission has provoked outrage among England fans this morning after posting a tweet appearing to mock Gareth Southgate’s men following their 2-1 defeat to Croatia.
Martin Selmayr, nicknamed ‘the monster of the Berlaymont’, posted a series of footballs and European Union flags just minutes after England crashed out of the World Cup semi-finals to a rival member state.
The official, who is considered to be Jean Claude Juncker’s right-hand man in Brussels, has taken a hard line stance during the Brexit negotiations and is believed to have been pushing EU negotiators to take an uncompromising approach in their dealings with Mrs May’s Government.
Tony passionately argued the case for UKIP not being a racist party.
I find it odd that you keep bringing this up when your own posting history this thread reads like a UKIP manifesto. You have more in common with them than me yet I don’t consider you a racist when apparently I should. According to you anyway.
I don’t have anything in common with them Tony
At least one EU offical was pleased to see England knocked out...
England fans outraged as senior EU official appears to mock Gareth Southgate's team following 2-1 defeat to Croatia
The secretary-general of the European Commission has provoked outrage among England fans this morning after posting a tweet appearing to mock Gareth Southgate’s men following their 2-1 defeat to Croatia.
Martin Selmayr, nicknamed ‘the monster of the Berlaymont’, posted a series of footballs and European Union flags just minutes after England crashed out of the World Cup semi-finals to a rival member state.
The official, who is considered to be Jean Claude Juncker’s right-hand man in Brussels, has taken a hard line stance during the Brexit negotiations and is believed to have been pushing EU negotiators to take an uncompromising approach in their dealings with Mrs May’s Government.
I don’t have anything in common with them Tony
UKIP was what the Germans call a „Sammelbecken“ .... where all these sort of people- racists, bigots, ill informed, easily conned people collect.
No, he is not. Firstly there are different ways of calculating Defence spending. You could include foreign aid to poor regions in Africa. That comes under preventing wars. Secondly, Germany was occupied by the USA. It was formed into a country representing American/ Western values and became an „enemy“ of Cold War Russia because of that. America put Germany into it’s camp and has the responsibility to protect it.
But, times change and Trump has shown everyone that you cannot remain tied to the US apron strings forever. It is time to plan for more inter European cooperation and tell Trump that he can no longer expect European support for wars of intervention in other people’s countries. Trump wants to sell weapons and liquid gas for his business friends. The USA is being run on business lines, not moral or ethical.
No...defence spending is what you spend on being able to resist attack from aggressors Foreign aid is debatably a gift to help a country develop it's infrastructure & build a higher standard of living: or providing money which eventually flows into the foreign countries' defence budget. Thereby risking them attacking YOUR country!
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Until Germany is at risk of attack at some future point you mean? Then they will want NATO protection because that is part of the agreement. Like today...on the face of it - typical lilly-livered approach. Gain agreement with Trump, then agree together afterwards what their public interpretation of the agreement will be.Not pathetic. There is no agreement that says 2%. That is a target for 6 years time. The Bundeswehr is underfinanced anyway and they will invest. There is no exact way of gauging what counts as military spending. Pensions to retired generals for example. It is not easy. The idea of the European Defence Force is to pool resources and reduce wasteful spending. Arguably better than spending for the sake of spending. Just taking a nominal figure doesn’t mean a lot. Seeing as we are allies acting in American ( previously Western Values ) interests, we don’t need an uneducated idiot spouting his mouth off. I would ask him to reduce his presence in Germany if he wants to save money.
I thought you calculated it by including foreign aid too though?Wales. NATO summit 2014. agreement to increase spending to 2% of GDP within 10 years. That means by 2024. which is vague ( it doesn’t say how quickly you have to increase over the period) as is how you calculate defence spending.
Hilarious
I rest my case about agreeing & then subsequently agreeing that the agreement was nothing like what was ststed as being agreedNot according to the Germans who were at the Wales meeting....
I didn't say cut anything at all...you raised that prospectCutting foreign aid incase that country then attacks you? Riiiiiiight.
We seem to be allied with countries that seem to think nothing of funding terrorism in our own country
Perhaps you or Tony would like to link the commonality
Just read your own posts (well the ones that are on topic anyway) and then compare them to any UKIP manifesto ever. You’ve pretty much covered every angle of theirs.
Please provide examples - unlike you I’ve never read the manifesto
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