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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,171
Christ. A mirror joke. Desperate times.

MUST.DEFEND.TORIES.
 
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SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,172
shmmeee said:
Sick burn bro.

Feel free to explain your jabberings though, should be interesting.
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About as much chance of that happening as me winning the Euro Millions tonight.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,173
Legitimately crying at a grown man using “I know you are but what am I?”

Come on G, explain your great theory on how pensioner poverty is driven by final salary pensions and not the triple lock.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,174
All academic anyway lads, we’ll have a new PM by tomorrow:


Fucking hell.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,175
The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,176
Grendel said:
The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime
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I like how you ignore the intervening years which include a budget surplus and year on year growth. Oh and without a GFC at the end-and I don’t mean Grendel Fried Chicken
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,177
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I like how you ignore the intervening years which include a budget surplus and year on year growth. Oh and without a GFC at the end-and I don’t mean Grendel Fried Chicken
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How is that ignoring anything?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,178
Another bit of Project Fear becoming Project Here


 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,179
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Nothing to stop the Tories from reinstating them in the last 10+ years has there?
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Still waiting for them to abolish VAT.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,180
Grendel said:
The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime
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Wasn’t there a global recession just before the end of their time in government?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,181
PVA said:
Another bit of Project Fear becoming Project Here


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EE announced it today too. If you live in Northern Ireland this was a real problem prior to EU intervention.

Also worth pointing out that the government could have included a continuation of the EU regulation as part of the oven ready deal. But they elected to give control back to the multinationals instead of protecting our rights.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,182
Grendel said:
How would that have even been possible?
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Well if Blair and Brown 'wrecked them' surely any of the people that follow them in those can 'unwreck them' by reversing or changing the legislation?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,183
Grendel said:
The other thing of course about the halcyon days of the Labour government under Blair and brown is that more people were unemployed at the end of utopia than the start of it as was the unemployment rate

A theme that’s true of every Labour government I believe - though have not checked - but clearly was under the catastrophic 70’s regime
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Yet somehow now more people are classed as in poverty and require support from foodbanks etc. So why not just say everyones employed but being paid nothing and hey presto, no unemployment or welfare bill.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,184
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yet somehow now more people are classed as in poverty and require support from foodbanks etc. So why not just say everyones employed but being paid nothing and hey presto, no unemployment or welfare bill.
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Also the classic “people lost work in the global recession Iamverysmart”. Yeah that would be the global recession the U.K. govt at the time was widely credited with leading the response to and avoiding further disaster.

Man’s got a weird chip on his shoulder and it leads him to say some frankly ridiculous things.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,185
shmmeee said:
Man’s got a weird chip on his shoulder and it leads him to say some frankly ridiculous things.
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I like it when he says one thing, then some time later forgets the first thing he said and makes an argument that completely contradicts that first point

Inevitable I suppose when you make so many ridiculous points, as you say.
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,186
shmmeee said:
Yeah that’s fair.

I’m still not sure anyone ever said we’d have a stronger economy right now though did they? Most Brexiters I’ve heard said it would be “short term pain for long term gain” and “could be 50 years before we see the benefits”.

Was watching some videos with Brexit voting farmers and many said they’d vote the same again even though it’s hurt them because it was about freedom not economics.

Of course, they then asked why we aren’t using that freedom to protect British farmers but that’s another topic.
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I think they only said the stuff about taking 50 years once they’d won, it was definitely “everything will be better” during the campaign
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,187
Grendel said:
Blair and Brown wrecked final salary pension schemes which will have significant implications over the next few years in terms of pension poverty
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Did you vote for Blair?
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,188
Sick Boy said:
Wasn’t there a global recession just before the end of their time in government?
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We could also ask who was at the helm when we had to withdraw from the ERM in what was widely held to be the most humiliating day in the history of the UK economy
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,189
COV said:
Did you vote for Blair?
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No
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,190
COV said:
We could also ask who was at the helm when we had to withdraw from the ERM in what was widely held to be the most humiliating day in the history of the UK economy
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The main reason I voted Brexit thanks for reminding me
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,191
Grendel said:
No
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so you voted for John Major, Hague and Michael Howard?
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,192
Grendel said:
The main reason I voted Brexit thanks for reminding me
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Well with that bombshell I can now see why so many people say you sidestep everything
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,193
COV said:
so you voted for John Major, Hague and Michael Howard?
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I voted I think for probably Hague and no on the others
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,194
COV said:
Well with that bombshell I can now see why so many people say you sidestep everything
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Hardly I don’t sidestep anything and I’ve said before despite her tough talk thatcher was a dribbling europhile and it was only when push really came to shove that she renegade against it - push being 16% interest rates
 
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COV

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,195
Grendel said:
Hardly I don’t sidestep anything and I’ve said before despite her tough talk thatcher was a dribbling europhile and it was only when push really came to shove that she renegade against it - push being 16% interest rates
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You don't sidestep you say I have seen very clearly that it is what you're most known for, apart from the daft stuff I saw about Kenny Jackett & taxis for Robins
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,196
COV said:
You don't sidestep you say I have seen very clearly that it is what you're most known for, apart from the daft stuff I saw about Kenny Jackett & taxis for Robins
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Odd how you sidestepped all the direct quotes out the mouths of Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell and rambled on about a Chilean dictator
 
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COV

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,197
Grendel said:
Odd how you sidestepped all the direct quotes out the mouths of Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell and rambled on about a Chilean dictator
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Well in actual fact I did say that they are all terrible acts, and you are either against that type of thing or you are not. Corbyn and McDonnell were obviously massively wrong to do that, and also that does not excuse Thatcher who did just the same- 30,000 people missing, killed or tortured and she sends Pinochet a bottle of booze to say thanks for his help. Are you saying its possible to say which is worse? An atrocity is an atrocity. A person's ethics and sense of right & wrong should not be dictated purely by who you vote for, unfortunately in your case you are very warped and willingly guided by your political slant, which is a bit sick.

Having clarified that you are indeed telling porkies about what I said, it reminds me- you also seem to be very well known for your twisting of the truth
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,198
"I don't sidestep anything"



I've asked you directly about 5 times to condemn Islamophobia and you sidestep it every time.
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,199
PVA said:
"I don't sidestep anything"



I've asked you directly about 5 times to condemn Islamophobia and you sidestep it every time.
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Its like I said- he knows its wrong, he knows its disgusting, he just won't say it because in his mind he thinks/ knows it will lead to him having to answer awkward questions about his political party.

Antisemitism and Islamophobia are both horrible, why people can't just come out and say that is beyond me, I don't see why politics has to come into everything.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,200
COV said:
Well in actual fact I did say that they are all terrible acts, and you are either against that type of thing or you are not. Corbyn and McDonnell were obviously massively wrong to do that, and also that does not excuse Thatcher who did just the same- 30,000 people missing, killed or tortured and she sends Pinochet a bottle of booze to say thanks for his help. Are you saying its possible to say which is worse? An atrocity is an atrocity. A person's ethics and sense of right & wrong should not be dictated purely by who you vote for, unfortunately in your case you are very warped and willingly guided by your political slant, which is a bit sick.

Having clarified that you are indeed telling porkies about what I said, it reminds me- you also seem to be very well known for your twisting of the truth
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So you didn’t vote for Mr Corbyn?
 

COV

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,201
Grendel said:
So you didn’t vote for Mr Corbyn?
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No I did not vote for Mr Corbyn, nor have I ever.

Even if I had have done, I would have no issue calling him out on anything distasteful the man may have done.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,202
COV said:
Its like I said- he knows its wrong, he knows its disgusting, he just won't say it because in his mind he thinks/ knows it will lead to him having to answer awkward questions about his political party.
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Unfortunately I disagree on this, I think he genuinely has no problem with Islamophobia.
 

COV

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,203
PVA said:
Unfortunately I disagree on this, I think he genuinely has no problem with Islamophobia.
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thats fair enough- I haven't read enough of his posts to make any judgement on that tbh
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,204
COV said:
No I did not vote for Mr Corbyn, nor have I ever.

Even if I had have done, I would have no issue calling him out on anything distasteful the man may have done.
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The Blair creature? Ever vote for him?
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,205
Grendel said:
The Blair creature? Ever vote for him?
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Nope. Never.

You can't work it out can you? Its such a novel concept that someone would have their own views on what is right and wrong not dictated by a political party.

"he said Thatcher did something bad, he must be Labour"
"he said Corbyn did something bad, he must be a Tory"

I think Blair is a war criminal who should be in jail, and he didn't need to do it, I think Thatcher was just pure evil, I think Kinnock was a unlikeable ranting idiot, Corbyn was unelectable and also a bit cultish (I'll never forget Corbyn announcing free wifi to try and compete with "Get Brexit Done"), Major was dour and a total hyprocrite ("back to basics"), people say John Smith was going to be an all time great but I have no clue why, Johnson is just a walking talking joke of a human being, Cameron was the worst PM in memory until Boris came along, May was just cannon fodder and Labour almost brought the country to a standstill before all that- and thats as far back as I go.

I don't understand why people can't call it as it is. Why is one man a monster for saying one thing and another man excused for something similar purely because he's on "our side"
 
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