The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (18 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Feb 25, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Ha ha...are you seriously suggesting that if the country had voted to remain, then the tories would no longer shit all over the labour voting northern regions ever again....ha ha. #awaywiththefairies

No, I’m clearly not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that Sunderland voting leave was absolutely pointless. Something only strengthened when you read this article from a visiting journalist after the referendum asking the people of Sunderland why they voted leave.

Post-Brexit Sunderland: 'If this money doesn't go to the NHS, I will go mad'

The Labour heartland made the world sit up when it voted 61% to leave the EU. What do its people hope will happen next, and will it be good for the city? Broadcaster Faisal Islam visited to find out

www.theguardian.com

TBF no one interviewed mentions funding to the area from the EU. They mention the NHS, a promise thrown under the bus before the ink had even dried on the article. The fishing industry, thrown under the bus before the ink had dried on Boris’ trade deal.
So the question remains for Sunderland possibly more than anywhere else in England. What was the point? No NHS windfall, fishing shat on from a great height and Brexit possibly the last nail in the coffin for the British fishing industry as we know it, a fall in funding for regeneration. Things staying the same at Nissan is not a Brexit windfall. Especially when stacked up against the losses.

skybluetony176 · Feb 25, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Well...without wishing to go over old ground....Voting to leave the EU does not equal voting tory.

So how do you explain the red wall falling?

PVA · Feb 25, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
.....and thats funny why?

The North East isn't receiving less money because they voted to leave the EU......its going to receive less money because its a working class northern labour stronghold being shat on by a southern-centric Tory Government.......

...ha ha ha...hilarious.

Did you even read the article?

That's exactly what has happened.

The turkeys voted for christmas and are now outraged their heads are being chopped off. Yes, that is funny.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Feb 25, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
So how do you explain the red wall falling?

By a catastrophic failure of leadership & policy from Labour......its not rocket science.

shmmeee · Feb 25, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
By a catastrophic failure of leadership & policy from Labour......its not rocket science.

To play devils advocate: so why did it happen to centre left parties worldwide?

Ian1779 · Feb 25, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
So how do you explain the red wall falling?

2 issues I feel.

1. party membership demographic does not equal voting demographic especially for Labour
2. Post-industrial towns left to go into decline as they are ignored by the ‘south’ across successive governments, couple with a carefully constructed narrative that their woes are down to immigrants, benefit cheats and ‘woke’ lefties that apparently care more about non-binary people called Sparrow than the working class man.

skybluetony176 · Feb 25, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
By a catastrophic failure of leadership & policy from Labour......its not rocket science.

I’m not sure offering an alternative to the Boris oven ready deal was a failure. Certainly not a catastrophic one given how it’s turned out. A deal so bad Boris had to reject it himself before Xmas, we now have the ERG (who we must remember insinuated that anyone who wanted to scrutinise the great Boris oven ready deal and subsequent trade deal were traitors and other such nonsensical language of division) calling to dump the Northern Ireland protocol having only a couple of weeks earlier lost their shit along with the rest of the Tories when the EU threatened to do the exact same thing.

The only catastrophic failure was the failure to not take anything this bunch of chancers have to say and promote seriously. Sunderland like the rest of us aren’t going to dodge that bullet.

SG21 · Feb 26, 2021

I wondered when Boris etc would use Covid as an excuse for Brexit going poorly, seems like it was quicker then I thought. The new leave supporter bank of england is concerned about the number of financial services leaving London, talk of negative rates from the bank, tory members asking Boris to talk with the EU again.

It's going well

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 26, 2021

Grendel said:
Well not really. The EU and especially currency equalisation is set to exploit the weaker countries within in to benefit the wealthier nations

Once again you're mistaking me writing what SHOULD be happening to deal with the problem with what IS happening.

The whole point of what I wrote was what we're currently doing is fucked up and makes no sense as to actually solving the problems like immigration.

I'm saying that what you're writing (amongst other issues) is a massive part of the problem and it doesn't have to be like that. It's a choice, not an inevitability.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 26, 2021

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Exactly. A tory decision to reduce funding for the region.

And what proportion of the time are the Tories in power in this country? You can safely assume that Tories will spend a lot of time in power. You can also safely assume they'll not do a great deal to improve the north, or even stop it stagnating. What has increased the amount the region has received has been through the EU.

So I think you can fairly assume that if you vote to leave the EU the funding you receive from them will at some point not be replaced by a Tory govt.

All the evidence is there. It was pretty much an inevitability.

And yet some places chose leave AND then decided to vote Tory in an election. That's not just turkey voting for Xmas - it's voting for it then going out and buying the meat cleaver and turkey baster.

SG21 · Feb 26, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And what proportion of the time are the Tories in power in this country? You can safely assume that Tories will spend a lot of time in power. You can also safely assume they'll not do a great deal to improve the north, or even stop it stagnating. What has increased the amount the region has received has been through the EU.

So I think you can fairly assume that if you vote to leave the EU the funding you receive from them will at some point not be replaced by a Tory govt.

All the evidence is there. It was pretty much an inevitability.

And yet some places chose leave AND then decided to vote Tory in an election. That's not just turkey voting for Xmas - it's voting for it then going out and buying the meat cleaver and turkey baster.

Thing is, it's not just the north. Most places in the UK are on their arse thanks to awful choices made by the tories. When they closed all the mines down in Wales, North etc, they replaced it with nothing resulting in huge numbers of people on the doll bored stiff and we're all reaping that action even now as the damage goes on generation to generation. It's the same in Cov. When the car factory jobs went, so did a huge chunk of the workers lives. Out of work and doing nothing, the kids mimic their parents and think it's acceptable as it's all they've ever known.

This is why I'll never understand why people still vote for them. The party should be dead for the damage they've caused. Large parts of the UK will never recover because of their actions.

clint van damme · Feb 27, 2021

HAHA!

You couldn't make this shit up.

Post-Brexit trade: Boris Johnson calls for eat British fish campaign

The PM promises action to boost the industry - but Labour says his Brexit deal threatens jobs.

www.bbc.co.uk

SG21 · Feb 27, 2021

clint van damme said:
HAHA!

You couldn't make this shit up.

Post-Brexit trade: Boris Johnson calls for eat British fish campaign

The PM promises action to boost the industry - but Labour says his Brexit deal threatens jobs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Boris has basically kicked the task down the road. That's his idea of getting "brexit done". He or the next PM will have to sort it out at another time.

PVA · Mar 1, 2021

I don't remember seeing this on the side of a big red bus?

skybluetony176 · Mar 1, 2021

PVA said:
I don't remember seeing this on the side of a big red bus?

This one is my favourite. Ran in numerous newspapers not just the Mail
British firms flourishing as they forge a new relationship with the EU
Just to give that some context. There’s over 4 million registered Ltd companies in the U.K.. The government managed to locate 3 who are “flourishing”.

SG21 · Mar 1, 2021

Seamus1 · Mar 2, 2021

SG21 said:

Is this the same idiot who was scolded last week by the deputy speaker of the house for inappropriate attire? This new generation of Tory mps just come across as complete idiots...Ben Bradley being another

Ian1779 · Mar 2, 2021

Seamus1 said:
Is this the same idiot who was scolded last week by the deputy speaker of the house for inappropriate attire? This new generation of Tory mps just come across as complete idiots...Ben Bradley being another

Brexit sycophants...

PVA · Mar 2, 2021

It's a good job Brexit has made trading easier and got rid of all that nasty red tape! Oh.

shmmeee · Mar 2, 2021

Seamus1 said:
Is this the same idiot who was scolded last week by the deputy speaker of the house for inappropriate attire? This new generation of Tory mps just come across as complete idiots...Ben Bradley being another

Looks very much like we’re going to get some weird hybrid populist party from the Tories, all culture war and government by front page, and Lib Dems Plus from Labour all sensible business strategy, wokery, the environment and pro trade.

#KBF vs #FBPE

Ew.

skybluetony176 · Mar 3, 2021

In the interest of balance here’s an actual tangible bonus of leaving the EU

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Fishermen all over the country will sleep easy tonight.

Deleted member 4439 · Mar 4, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
No, I’m clearly not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that Sunderland voting leave was absolutely pointless. Something only strengthened when you read this article from a visiting journalist after the referendum asking the people of Sunderland why they voted leave.

Post-Brexit Sunderland: 'If this money doesn't go to the NHS, I will go mad'

The Labour heartland made the world sit up when it voted 61% to leave the EU. What do its people hope will happen next, and will it be good for the city? Broadcaster Faisal Islam visited to find out

www.theguardian.com

TBF no one interviewed mentions funding to the area from the EU. They mention the NHS, a promise thrown under the bus before the ink had even dried on the article. The fishing industry, thrown under the bus before the ink had dried on Boris’ trade deal.
So the question remains for Sunderland possibly more than anywhere else in England. What was the point? No NHS windfall, fishing shat on from a great height and Brexit possibly the last nail in the coffin for the British fishing industry as we know it, a fall in funding for regeneration. Things staying the same at Nissan is not a Brexit windfall. Especially when stacked up against the losses.

Given me an agenda/political point of view and I could go to any city in this country to find vox pops to support that view.

skybluetony176 · Mar 4, 2021

skybluetony176 · Mar 6, 2021

You know it’s bad when the Express stops reporting things remaining the same as a Brexit bonus

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1404552/brexit-fishing-news-latest-uk-fishermen-eu-quota-boris-johnson-trade-deal/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Mind you. It’s hand washing by ignoring their roll in getting us to this point and blaming Boris.

stupot07 · Mar 6, 2021

Spot in this from the Times

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PVA · Mar 10, 2021

Brexit summed up in two tweets...

shmmeee · Mar 11, 2021

Yikes. This is a bit spicy. Already know who will agree with what annoyingly but will post if you want to be depressed/angry anyway:

How Britain Became the Dumbest Society in the World

Britain is Becoming the World’s Newest Failed State

eand.co

skybluetony176 · Mar 11, 2021

shmmeee said:
Yikes. This is a bit spicy. Already know who will agree with what annoyingly but will post if you want to be depressed/angry anyway:

How Britain Became the Dumbest Society in the World

Britain is Becoming the World’s Newest Failed State

eand.co

That can’t be true. The Express is celebrating the Brexit win of a trade deal with Albania, a first for a European country in their words, wave the flags.

What? What’s that you say? It’s just another continuation deal? Something staying the same is now a Brexit “win”. Wave the flags again.

SBT · Mar 11, 2021

That article is fairly ridiculous, tbh. And I’m no flag waver for Brexit.

The UK economy is likely underperforming (and has underperformed for years) due to Brexit, and exports are scrambled right now, but the economy isn’t having a heart attack. The numbers for February are fairly robust.

NHS patients in London aren’t suddenly going to get £4000 bills for NHS services just because an American-owned company now runs a bunch of surgeries which were already privately owned.

Finally, I don’t really think the comparison of America and Britain both undergoing an austerity-driven lurch to the right is quite right - US fiscal policy was generally expansionary in the immediate crisis years, and yet their move to the right has been much more dramatic than ours. I don’t see a hard right shift in countries where austerity measures were even more extreme either (there was hand-wringing over Golden Dawn in Greece, but they never did anything)

As for Karl Marx being a huge fan of the EU - I’m just not going to go there!

clint van damme · Mar 11, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
That can’t be true. The Express is celebrating the Brexit win of a trade deal with Albania, a first for a European country in their words, wave the flags.

What? What’s that you say? It’s just another continuation deal? Something staying the same is now a Brexit “win”. Wave the flags again.

Albanians already control the import of a popular product that comes in the the UK!

Evo1883 · Mar 11, 2021

Lol, I did laugh tbh... And ofcourse British wind Hahahahahaha

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 11, 2021

Evo1883 said:
And ofcourse British wind Hahahahahaha

Sounds like the title of the new Saxon album.

Skybluefaz · Mar 11, 2021

Derbyshire cheese maker upset at £180 post-Brexit Stilton fee

Hartington Creamery says the paperwork needed for each order is costing too much.

www.bbc.co.uk

skybluetony176 · Mar 11, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Derbyshire cheese maker upset at £180 post-Brexit Stilton fee

Hartington Creamery says the paperwork needed for each order is costing too much.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yet I think imports of French cheese are largely uninterrupted by Brexit. Taking back control?

Skybluefaz · Mar 11, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Yet I think imports of French cheese are largely uninterrupted by Brexit. Taking back control?

We knew what we were voting for.

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