The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Chinese I think
NorthernWisdom
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The Isle of Man ought to have 100% vaccinated people too, at that rate!
Sick Boy
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How’s Israel getting on with the second doses?
shmmeee
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Looking at all these counties names is making me want to go on holiday.
Fuck, even a lock in at the aardvark would fucking do.
Fuck, even a lock in at the aardvark would fucking do.
Sick Boy
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Got up to 17c here the other day.
clint van damme
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Their seems yo be a narrative being created (There always is with the tories) that we've done well on vaccinating (Which in my opinion we undoubtedly have), so let's forget about everything else. Fuck that
clint van damme
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I don't know how accurate these vaccine predictors are But when vaccinations started by estimated time for first vaccine was between mid June to mid July, now it's so.e time in March.
That's a seriously impressive ramp up if accurate.
chiefdave
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Are you using the OmniCalculator one? They update theirs with the number already done and change the rate used to calculate your estimate to what it is currently so is probably about as accurate you'll get.
Of course that relies on the current level being maintained which will depend on supply.
If you go right to the bottom of the page it tells you what's been updated.
clint van damme
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I did today though I don't know if that's the one I used originally.
skybluetony176
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Hot of the press from the sunlit uplands. U.K. companies can no longer trade with U.K. companies
www.google.co.uk
Brexit means NI eels can't be sold in Britain - BBC News
Fishermen seek new buyers for 50 tonnes of eels, worth £500k, that can no longer be sold in London.
www.google.co.uk
Sky Blue Pete
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Brexit: Lough Neagh eel fishermen 'concerns' over future
Fishermen on Lough Neagh say they have concerns about the future of the industry after Brexit.
www.bbc.co.uk
From 2018
Charming...
Britain is on a collision course with the European Union over vaccine shortages after Brussels refused to accept that people in the UK have first claim on Oxford/AstraZeneca doses produced in British plants. Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health commissioner, said the UK should not earn any advantage from signing a contract with AstraZeneca early. “We reject the logic of first come, first served,” Kyriakides said. “That may work in a butcher’s shop but not in contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements.” Peter Liese, an MEP from the German ruling party, foreshadowed a “trade war” if the EU found itself having to retaliate by blocking exports to the UK of the alternative “very good” BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine that is “produced in Europe, supported by European money … So the company [AstraZeneca] and the UK better think twice.”
Mr Liese appears to have forgotten that the UK also ordered Pfizer vaccine in the summer and approved it in start of Dec. EU ordered in November and only approved it at the back end of Dec. But I suppose you can just jump to the front of the queue if you’re the EU so it counts for nothing
Ive seen in another report that’s AZ have reminded the EU that they are doing all this not for profit and for the benefit of the wider word...ie not just the EU. They were also reminded yesterday that due to the UK signing up three months earlier that they were able to alleviate a number of the issues at the production sites during that period
Britain is on a collision course with the European Union over vaccine shortages after Brussels refused to accept that people in the UK have first claim on Oxford/AstraZeneca doses produced in British plants. Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health commissioner, said the UK should not earn any advantage from signing a contract with AstraZeneca early. “We reject the logic of first come, first served,” Kyriakides said. “That may work in a butcher’s shop but not in contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements.” Peter Liese, an MEP from the German ruling party, foreshadowed a “trade war” if the EU found itself having to retaliate by blocking exports to the UK of the alternative “very good” BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine that is “produced in Europe, supported by European money … So the company [AstraZeneca] and the UK better think twice.”
Mr Liese appears to have forgotten that the UK also ordered Pfizer vaccine in the summer and approved it in start of Dec. EU ordered in November and only approved it at the back end of Dec. But I suppose you can just jump to the front of the queue if you’re the EU so it counts for nothing
Ive seen in another report that’s AZ have reminded the EU that they are doing all this not for profit and for the benefit of the wider word...ie not just the EU. They were also reminded yesterday that due to the UK signing up three months earlier that they were able to alleviate a number of the issues at the production sites during that period
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clint van damme
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that's appalling. One big call our government got right was pre ordering large quantities of these vaccines before we even knew if they'd work. It could have backfired so the UK should definitely earn an advantage from the risk taken.
Where are those quotes from Steve?
chiefdave
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I understand they're annoyed if they throught they were getting doses and now aren't but surely the same applies to everyone around the world and other countries seem to be accepting it and waiting their turn. “We reject the logic of first come, first served” is a hell of a quote.
Are they suggesting every other country ordered on a cross your fingers and hope it gets delivered at some point basis? Not to mention the fact we ordered months ahead of them and the vaccine development was funded by government grants.
If they keep on like this they'll have the remainers celebrating the fact we left!
Guardian overview article mate, there’s a couple of other more detailed ones but this captured the main quotes
Thursday briefing: Spectre of vaccine 'trade war' between Britain and EU
Brussels explodes over UK getting doses while continent runs short … Biden orders sweeping climate action … wallets open for Bernie Sanders crochet doll
Exactly Dave, we’re owed a load of doses ourselves. And we signed it off a month a ago. It took a couple of weeks to get it up to 2m per week
I’m not going to get into whole EU debate again, as it’s been done to death. we’ve seen their bullying before though but this is another level
chiefdave
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Exactly, remember the discussion on the covid thread that if they turned out to be useless we'd wasted a fortune as we had commited to pay. Even if the EU did also commit in advance they did it months after other countries, I can't see any reason they should now be at the front of the queue.
Thing is I do sympathise, they were trying to do it as a bloc so everyone was treated equally but ultimately they dragged their feet, tried to keep everyone (French by all accounts) happy and they are where they are. Also I presume Pfizer has supplied the EU with far more vaccines even though we ordered way in advance ?! They appear to have ignored that fact as well
Edit - quote from EU statement after finalising Vaccine order in Nov. No to vaccine nationalism, yes to vaccine multilateralism
(not a laughing matter but not aged well)
‘However, we will only benefit from these ground-breaking achievements if we avoid ‘vaccine nationalism’, where countries unduly restrict access to vaccines. Indeed, the risk is that, as usual, the strongest and richest wrestle themselves to the front of the queue.’
Edit - quote from EU statement after finalising Vaccine order in Nov. No to vaccine nationalism, yes to vaccine multilateralism
(not a laughing matter but not aged well)
‘However, we will only benefit from these ground-breaking achievements if we avoid ‘vaccine nationalism’, where countries unduly restrict access to vaccines. Indeed, the risk is that, as usual, the strongest and richest wrestle themselves to the front of the queue.’
chiefdave
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Or maybe not.
From what I can make out they've ordered 600 million doses of the Pfizer, half of their total expected output and 400 million doses of the Astra among an order of 2.3 billion doses, for a population of 450 million.BBC said:
We've ordered 30 million of the Pfizer and 100 million of the Astra and did it months before the EU but somehow they're trying to make out we're the ones taking more than our fair share. That's before you even consider that we invested in the vaccines development and as part of that deal Astra agreed to supply developing countries that can't afford to buy the vaccine. And of course we have approved both and are already into a vaccination program.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Agreed.
My preconception so far is that EU hasn’t learned the lessons it has needed to from Brexit. In fact, the ‘pooling our sovereignty’ quote after the EU-UK deal was made suggested the opposite.
This episode, despite the good cause for grievances with the vaccine manufacturers, demonstrates a mean streak considering it’s own failures in addressing the COVID pandemic.
This is false.
It has nothing to do with Brexit.It could have been done while still in the EU as well.
Sorry to break it to you.
skybluetony176
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? From 2021. The linked article at the bottom of the page predicting this is what’s from 2018. A few other outlets have picked up on it now too.Brexit: Lough Neagh eel fishermen 'concerns' over future
Fishermen on Lough Neagh say they have concerns about the future of the industry after Brexit.www.bbc.co.uk
From 2018
clint van damme
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Yeah. It was a gamble but it paid off.
Sky Blue Pete
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I linked the earlier story
stupot07
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Brexit: British business leaders warn of 'substantial difficulties' at UK ports
Letter says government needs to act quickly to resolve customs issues faced by exporters following Brexit
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clint van damme
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taking back control
www.dailymail.co.uk
(the paramilitaries that is)
NI border checks suspended over 'menacing' threats
All Brexit checks on animal and food products arriving at ports in Northern Ireland have been suspended over threatening loyalist behaviour.
(the paramilitaries that is)
skybluetony176
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The possibility of conflict. Project fear.taking back control
NI border checks suspended over 'menacing' threats
All Brexit checks on animal and food products arriving at ports in Northern Ireland have been suspended over threatening loyalist behaviour.
(the paramilitaries that is)
But but Johnson said there would be no Irish border.
Surely he couldn't have been lying? Johnson, lying? Surely not!
www.bloomberg.com
Surely he couldn't have been lying? Johnson, lying? Surely not!
Boris Johnson Says Irish Sea Border ‘Over My Dead Body’
Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned he would allow a post-Brexit border down the Irish Sea “over my dead body,” just days after pledging to help Northern Irish businesses cope with a new wave of customs red tape after the U.K. leaves the European Union.
www.bloomberg.com
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But but Johnson said there would be no Irish border.
Surely he couldn't have been lying? Johnson, lying? Surely not!
Boris Johnson Says Irish Sea Border ‘Over My Dead Body’
Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned he would allow a post-Brexit border down the Irish Sea “over my dead body,” just days after pledging to help Northern Irish businesses cope with a new wave of customs red tape after the U.K. leaves the European Union.
The man must be immortal. He said he'd be dead in a ditch before allowing an extension of Brexit too.
Oh, and we've got him lying in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow to look forward to as well. Though when he said that he probably meant he'd stand there and tell porkies.
skybluetony176
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PM urges EU action to ease Brexit tensions in NI
The UK wrote to the bloc calling for lighter enforcement of rules as port staff face threats over checks.
www.bbc.co.uk
#takingbackcontrolPM urges EU action to ease Brexit tensions in NI
The UK wrote to the bloc calling for lighter enforcement of rules as port staff face threats over checks.www.bbc.co.uk
Yeah, it really reflects well that the EU are trying to make it as difficult as possible for trade between the UK/NI (as they are at other borders) in the middle of a pandemic.
While to date we appear to be trying to protect the GFA and work within the agreement (and refusing calls to breach protocol) as well as being flexible with EU exporters, we saw on Friday how much the EU really cares about Ireland and the GFA when it invoked article 16 without even a call to the Irish or UK/NI governments.
I try to avoid this thread now because if I start writing I probably won’t be able to stop !!! All I would say though is that if people really can’t see what a protectionist, bureaucratic bully the EU is after last week, there is little point in even debating.
If people really want to still be a part of that, that’s their call but maybe now at least accept why many dont (I say that as someone who was borderline Remain/Leave right up to the vote)....I’m not convinced the EU making it as difficult as possible to trade with them will change many minds either.
clint van damme
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This was part of the deal negotiated by this government Steve.
But Johnson lied to the people of NI and now there is what looks like paramilitary activity against Port workers.
This was always going to happen. People have been predicting it from day one.
The fact the EU were quick out of the blocks to threaten triggering article 16 doesn't alter that.
Nor do the actions of our government excuse them for trying to weaponise it.
