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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,966
Grendel said:
Oh and Sick Boy and Tony liked so I assume agreed the post
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Which is what I said previously. And somehow not noticed by everyone else.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,967
Astute said:
If that is the case then apologies.
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No harm done.
 
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hill83

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,968
Astute said:
If that is the case then apologies.

And yes not a good thread to be on.
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
No harm done.
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NOW KISS
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,969
hill83 said:
NOW KISS
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Got any mistletoe?
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,970
Grendel said:
Oh and Sick Boy and Tony liked so I assume agreed the post
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Fair enough, I imagine Liquid was playing up to the mail article that mentioned Navy vessels armed with missiles and guns. Nevertheless it's not helpful.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,971
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Got any mistletoe?
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What do you think this is? Bloody Christmas or something
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,972
Astute said:
What do you think this is? Bloody Christmas or something
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Kissmas I was hoping for
 

Astute

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,973
Skybluefaz said:
Fair enough, I imagine Liquid was playing up to the mail article that mentioned Navy vessels armed with missiles and guns. Nevertheless it's not helpful.
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No. Nothing to do with being armed. Just patrolling like they do now. And that was my point. You can say what you want if you only look at this debacle from one side. The vast majority won't pull you up on anything. And if anyone does point out the lies/twisting of the truth the others jump straight on their back. It isn't a debate.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,974
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Kissmas I was hoping for
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Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,975
Astute said:
No. Nothing to do with being armed. Just patrolling like they do now. And that was my point. You can say what you want if you only look at this debacle from one side. The vast majority won't pull you up on anything. And if anyone does point out the lies/twisting of the truth the others jump straight on their back. It isn't a debate.
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Yes, but the mail made a point of mentioning the weapons. Even though we know French trawlers aren't going to be blown out of the sea. You make a fair point though.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,976
Grendel said:
Oh and Sick Boy and Tony liked so I assume agreed the post
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Agree that the same people dismissing hostilities in Europe as project fear are now calling for hostilities in Europe.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,977
Skybluefaz said:
Yes, but the mail made a point of mentioning the weapons. Even though we know French trawlers aren't going to be blown out of the sea. You make a fair point though.
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I don't read the Mail.

What I try is to have an open mind. Brexit has been a mini disaster for us especially since the virus came along. Wanting to know the truth doesn't mean I am for it. I want to know the truth so I can plan ahead.

Not seen wife and youngest kids since summer. If we leave without a deal I won't be able to see them until our numbers are very low. Only 8 countries outside of the EU can visit presently. Yet some still think or make out I am anti EU and all for Brexit. I am having to retire 5 years earlier than planned and am missing out on my youngest 2 growing up. I am supposed to be anti Labour because I could see we didn't have a hope of winning an election with Corbyn in charge. The list could go on.

Brexit will be a bad mistake for us short term at least if there isn't a decent deal to be had. But as I have been saying for a few years the EU won't let us leave if they can help it without a deal heavily in their favour. We seem to not want that to happen under any circumstances. So IMHO we will continue as we are. Fern went quiet when I showed him the latest idea from the EU which he tried to make out as something different.

Too much is at stake. Communities are at stake. I lived near Grimsby when fishing got destroyed by the EU rules. Many thousands rely on fishing. That is why the EU are pushing it all the way.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2020
  • #48,978
Astute said:
Isn't it?

Even the rights to fish UK water is stated. Nothing said about an extension. Rights for flights to continue. Rights for freight to continue.

Are you saying without a deal the EU fishing fleet have the right to fish UK water. Or our freight won't be able to drive through the EU? Read between the lines. It is what we have had to do for years. Basic rights are EU rights.

Or I take it you also missed where it is stated only if reciprocal rights are given.

But I don't expect to see much truth from certain people on here. They prefer to say about the UK murdering EU Fishermen and nobody say a word against the statement.
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It's literally so eg airlines still have a license to travel between the UK and Europe. Without an agreement this doesn't exist, so you need an emergency provision so people aren't stranded. It's nothing like an extension to the transition where EU law applies
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,979
fernandopartridge said:
It's literally so eg airlines still have a license to travel between the UK and Europe. Without an agreement this doesn't exist, so you need an emergency provision so people aren't stranded. It's nothing like an extension to the transition where EU law applies
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So what about the continuation of freight? Are you saying that only EU registered vehicles can carry freight? This was worded in exactly the same way.

And strangely enough so was the rights to fish in UK water. This used the exact same wording. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow as it is what I have predicted for a few years if there isn't a deal yet you have rubbished all along. Just like your latest comment on it being nonsense.

We would have to agree to all. An agreement but not an extension. This would keep Boris happy. He would be telling the truth for once. Macron would be happy as he has told his fishing communities that they will keep the right to fish in UK water. Just like every coastal country in northern Europe. Germany would be able to continue selling to us tariff free. And we would be the same.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,980
Grendel said:
Oh and Sick Boy and Tony liked so I assume agreed the post
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Somehow I don’t think think he was being deadly serious...
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,981
I think the whole thing is Johnson playing to the gallery before giving multiple concessions and trying to spin it as a victory.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,982
Sick Boy said:
Somehow I don’t think think he was being deadly serious...
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It was clearly comic exaggeration on how shit it all is. Knickers proper in a twist.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,983
Liquid Gold said:
It was clearly comic exaggeration on how shit it all is. Knickers proper in a twist.
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Unlike a certain ex-poster with his ‘throwaway comment’ about shooting dinghies
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,984
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Unlike a certain ex-poster with his ‘throwaway comment’ about shooting dinghies
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Of course it’s clearly not meant lol
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,985
Grendel said:
Of course it’s clearly not meant lol
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Of course, though out of the two I know who was more serious
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,986
Astute said:
So what about the continuation of freight? Are you saying that only EU registered vehicles can carry freight? This was worded in exactly the same way.

And strangely enough so was the rights to fish in UK water. This used the exact same wording. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow as it is what I have predicted for a few years if there isn't a deal yet you have rubbished all along. Just like your latest comment on it being nonsense.

We would have to agree to all. An agreement but not an extension. This would keep Boris happy. He would be telling the truth for once. Macron would be happy as he has told his fishing communities that they will keep the right to fish in UK water. Just like every coastal country in northern Europe. Germany would be able to continue selling to us tariff free. And we would be the same.
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That’s not what that document says and most of the measures are for six months only.

You’re making out this would be the new normal next year, it wouldn’t be. It’s emergency measures to allow some limited services to continue running. It’s not a long term deal. The default would still be no deal.
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,987
Liquid Gold said:
It was clearly comic exaggeration on how shit it all is. Knickers proper in a twist.
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If only. Was just a normal day on here though.
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,988
shmmeee said:
That’s not what that document says and most of the measures are for six months only.

You’re making out this would be the new normal next year, it wouldn’t be. It’s emergency measures to allow some limited services to continue running. It’s not a long term deal. The default would still be no deal.
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I didn't say the new norm.

Things to carry on until an agreement can be made. That is the EU version at least. And it can't be made out to mean anything else as it is their own site and their own words.

As I also said we have to read between the lines to work out the full extent of it. Extend air travel as nobody is ready. Extend road travel as nobody is ready. And over 80% of haulage is by EU hauliers. Extend trains as nobody is ready. Extend fishing in UK water as nobody is ready.

So is anybody ready?

Just a complete shambles.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,989
Astute said:
I didn't say the new norm.

Things to carry on until an agreement can be made. That is the EU version at least. And it can't be made out to mean anything else as it is their own site and their own words.

As I also said we have to read between the lines to work out the full extent of it. Extend air travel as nobody is ready. Extend road travel as nobody is ready. And over 80% of haulage is by EU hauliers. Extend trains as nobody is ready. Extend fishing in UK water as nobody is ready.

So is anybody ready?

Just a complete shambles.
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We’re world beatingly ready
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,990
Rumours seem to be gathering pace that Johnson has backed down on the level playing field provisions. If correct does that mean we're now down to just fishing, surely we're not going to let a deal fall apart for something thats a relatively small part of the economy?
 
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Seamus1

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,991
Taken from the Twitter account @RussInCheshire

 
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Astute

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,992
chiefdave said:
Rumours seem to be gathering pace that Johnson has backed down on the level playing field provisions. If correct does that mean we're now down to just fishing, surely we're not going to let a deal fall apart for something thats a relatively small part of the economy?
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My guess would be only if it could be made to look like some sort of victory for Boris.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,993
Seamus1 said:
Taken from the Twitter account @RussInCheshire

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I take it you do know we are vastly limited to what we can catch in our own water......
 

Astute

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,994
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We’re world beatingly ready
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We're not even ready to beat an egg.
 

tisza

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,995
chiefdave said:
Rumours seem to be gathering pace that Johnson has backed down on the level playing field provisions. If correct does that mean we're now down to just fishing, surely we're not going to let a deal fall apart for something thats a relatively small part of the economy?
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Backs down on that then what was the point of Brexit? Backing down would basically be accepting the "ratchet" clause?
 

tisza

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,996
Seamus1 said:
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surely you've got to put in the different colour arrows for non-UK boats in UK territorial waters to get a clear picture?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,997
shmmeee said:
Ed is 1000% better when not managed by whoever Labour’s Lidl version of Alistair Campbell is.
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Dunno why they bother with all these advisors - they just make them look like twats as they struggle being someone they're not. Probably the biggest waste of money in politics (and that's saying something!)
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,998
Sick Boy said:
It’s time for the politicians who campaigned for it to actually take ownership and responsibility and stop trying to blame others for its failings.
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But the ones who campaigned for it in the main aren't used to taking responsibility. For many (esp in the ERG) their life has been having all the power and influence yet somehow never being to blame for anything going wrong. It's called privilege.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #48,999
Sick Boy said:
Genuinely thought this was satire at first - Ten ways YOU can help make No Deal Brexit a success for Britain
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Ask not what your country can do for you....

Trouble is they don't see this is them admitting the whole thing is a mistake. It was sold on the premise you wouldn't HAVE to do anything to make it a success - it was a foregone conclusion that everything would be an improvement and we'd all be better off. Anyone saying different was a scaremonger and lier.

They could just as easily have done a ten ways YOU can help make EU membership a success for Britain before the vote. For some reason they didn't...
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 14, 2020
  • #49,000
chiefdave said:
Rumours seem to be gathering pace that Johnson has backed down on the level playing field provisions. If correct does that mean we're now down to just fishing, surely we're not going to let a deal fall apart for something thats a relatively small part of the economy?
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Both have moved on level playing field (rumours that Merkel maybe had a word to shift the EUs position away for automatic ratchet clause which Barnier/Macron previously wanted) It looks like it’s down to the mechanism and adjudicator on LPF (as we all were aluding to on Saturday) as the main sticking point.

Agreed on fishing though, it would be crazy for both sides to let deal collapse on this so hopefully it can be ironed out (together with the above)
 
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