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My view's been hardened, if the vote hasn't changed. Before there'd have been a pause, now my choice is automatic. I've been driven to become an EU fundamentalist!
My view's been hardened, if the vote hasn't changed. Before there'd have been a pause, now my choice is automatic. I've been driven to become an EU fundamentalist!So after 1316 pages of arguing, has anybody changed their mind on brexit here
I am not wealthy enough to define the level at which they would take their money & run.Define “highly”
Yes...that demonstrated it perfectlyWow.
And that demonstrated that I am obviously not aloneThe only twat on the whole of this thread is you.
And you think making them pay more tax will stop them? No, they will move their actual money, & claim the tax rebates on any rent losses
It doesn’t even begin to make sense. You think Bill Gates eats a thousand times as many meals as me? Wears a thousand time as many socks?
Of course not. He physically can’t. So he hoards and uses his wealth to extract rent from hard working people.
Don’t believe me, here’s a billionaire to tell you the same.
We aren't stupid Tony. We know what trickle means...literally...whether we are talking money or whatever.Yep, people hear trickle used as this buzzword that must mean that they’re sharing the wealth. The reality is that regardless of the yachts, private jets, penthouses, holiday homes, second and third homes they own day to day they spend a significantly less percentage of their expendable earnings than the man in the street does for exactly the reasons you say. They can only eat the same amount as the next man, they can only wear the same number of socks as the next man etc etc. The word trickle is actually the problem not the cure.
And that demonstrated that I am obviously not alone
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Wrong. I did not trivialise the holocaust. I used it as an example of something as important as the referendum outcome being trivialised as 'only 4%' that person would be trivialising the holocaust next. Maybe you didn't work that one out, Mr Niceguy.You’re the only one who trivialised the Holocaust. And your attempt at trying to reinforce it and be condescending even afterwards show you up as the nasty piece of work you are.
We aren't stupid Tony. We know what trickle means...literally...whether we are talking money or whatever.
Quite simply though, Shmmeee's example about socks..? He does perhaps buy more socks as he doesn't keep them & darn the holes in the toe like many of us. AND more importantly, he doesn't nip to Tesco for his £7 or whatever for a pack of 3 either. He would more likely just get his outfitter to source a few pairs at £50 a hit. So add in the outfitter's fee & the amount spent per sock is an awful lot of wealth trickle.
He doesn't buy a Ford Focus - he buys a Bentley. So when he spends he is prepared to spend much bigger.
I'm sure Shmmeee & yourself knew all that but maybe ignored it or didn't think it through?
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Wrong. I did not trivialise the holocaust. I used it as an example of something as important as the referendum outcome being trivialised as 'only 4%' that person would be trivialising the holocaust next. Maybe you didn't work that one out, Mr Niceguy.
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Wrong. I did not trivialise the holocaust. I used it as an example of something as important as the referendum outcome being trivialised as 'only 4%' that person would be trivialising the holocaust next. Maybe you didn't work that one out, Mr Niceguy.
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If you can't see how this is terrible taste, and pretty outrageous, there's no hope for you.You & Sicko will be telling the holocaust was just a few Jews next
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In many cases it’s making them pay some tax so you’re defeating your own argument.And you think making them pay more tax will stop them? No, they will move their actual money, & claim the tax rebates on any rent losses
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I am not wealthy enough to define the level at which they would take their money & run.
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Talk about missing the point. If he leaves and takes his money with him we could be talking about a decimal point of his money that trickles down. His perceived contribution is minimal to inconsequential. If he moves to Outer Mongolia he’ll still be buying his Bentley etc. His contribution to the U.K. economy isn’t going to change in the big scheme of things.We aren't stupid Tony. We know what trickle means...literally...whether we are talking money or whatever.
Quite simply though, Shmmeee's example about socks..? He does perhaps buy more socks as he doesn't keep them & darn the holes in the toe like many of us. AND more importantly, he doesn't nip to Tesco for his £7 or whatever for a pack of 3 either. He would more likely just get his outfitter to source a few pairs at £50 a hit. So add in the outfitter's fee & the amount spent per sock is an awful lot of wealth trickle.
He doesn't buy a Ford Focus - he buys a Bentley. So when he spends he is prepared to spend much bigger.
I'm sure Shmmeee & yourself knew all that but maybe ignored it or didn't think it through?
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I'm sure you both pay some sort of homage & always have it in your thoughtsIf you can't see how this is terrible taste, and pretty outrageous, there's no hope for you.
We aren't stupid Tony. We know what trickle means...literally...whether we are talking money or whatever.
Quite simply though, Shmmeee's example about socks..? He does perhaps buy more socks as he doesn't keep them & darn the holes in the toe like many of us. AND more importantly, he doesn't nip to Tesco for his £7 or whatever for a pack of 3 either. He would more likely just get his outfitter to source a few pairs at £50 a hit. So add in the outfitter's fee & the amount spent per sock is an awful lot of wealth trickle.
He doesn't buy a Ford Focus - he buys a Bentley. So when he spends he is prepared to spend much bigger.
I'm sure Shmmeee & yourself knew all that but maybe ignored it or didn't think it through?
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No we have thought it through. The scale is massively different. Even if Gates buys new socks instead of washing them he still won’t come close to the consumerism created by the mass market. Just the basic logic of your argument doesn’t even stack up. If billionaires are spending at the same rate as their workers, why is their wealth increasing??
Does that Bentley provide more jobs than the Focus? Does it provide a more competitive marketplace to drive innovation? No, it doesn’t.
Trickle down is disproven economics based on fringe views that were seen as crank economics until Thatcher and Regan pushed them. It’s starts with the premise that rich people are special and need to keep as much money as possible and works backwards from there.
Again, I posted a literal billionaire saying these things. I think he knows the lifestyles of the rich and the famous far better than you.
Nobody could think that.....could they? I run a large car with decent enough power. I can do nearly a thousand miles for the cost of hiring the battery for one. Then you have the purchase price on top.I wouldn’t go on about car examples if I were you. You were the idiot who said a Zoe would save people money if they bought it - probably the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on here
Nobody could think that.....could they? I run a large car with decent enough power. I can do nearly a thousand miles for the cost of hiring the battery for one. Then you have the purchase price on top.
But the battery rental is a big cost. About £50 a month for very low mileage and about £100 a month for average mileage.he hadn’t thought about differential in purchase price
But the battery rental is a big cost. About £50 a month for very low mileage and about £100 a month for average mileage.
I live just over 400 miles from Dover. I drive a Volvo V70 D5 for the long journeys. It takes half a tank of fuel for the 400 miles. About £40. So I could get 1,000 miles for the hire of the battery alone. And they would charge more for the hire if you did the mileage that I do.
Assume you’re talking about electric. You’re clearly an edge case and it’s not suitable for you, 95% of people don’t drive anything like you do. Won’t be far off though.
Also battery rental is only a thing with a small amount of cars. Tesla is outright for example, and has 400 mile range I believe.
I wouldn’t go on about car examples if I were you. You were the idiot who said a Zoe would save people money if they bought it - probably the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on here
I used the word trickle in its literal sense...not in relation to trickle economics. People spend money. The more money they have the more they spend. If you tax them more...they have less to spend. That leads to products unsold or sold at a lower margin than budgeted. That means people lose their jobs. That means they claim jobseekers &/or benefits. That can easily result in a net less revenue pot.No we have thought it through. The scale is massively different. Even if Gates buys new socks instead of washing them he still won’t come close to the consumerism created by the mass market. Just the basic logic of your argument doesn’t even stack up. If billionaires are spending at the same rate as their workers, why is their wealth increasing??
Does that Bentley provide more jobs than the Focus? Does it provide a more competitive marketplace to drive innovation? No, it doesn’t.
Trickle down is disproven economics based on fringe views that were seen as crank economics until Thatcher and Regan pushed them. It’s starts with the premise that rich people are special and need to keep as much money as possible and works backwards from there.
Again, I posted a literal billionaire saying these things. I think he knows the lifestyles of the rich and the famous far better than you.
I used the word trickle in its literal sense...not in relation to trickle economics. People spend money. The more money they have the more they spend. If you tax them more...they have less to spend. That leads to products unsold or sold at a lower margin than budgeted. That means people lose their jobs. That means they claim jobseekers &/or benefits. That can easily result in a net less revenue pot.
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The problem is that the batteries don't last as long as the cars. You then need to spend a few grand on new batteries after about 8 years. So you pay more for the car then the value is low when new batteries are due. A bargain if you only stay local. But most people don't .Assume you’re talking about electric. You’re clearly an edge case and it’s not suitable for you, 95% of people don’t drive anything like you do. Won’t be far off though.
Also battery rental is only a thing with a small amount of cars. Tesla is outright for example, and has 400 mile range I believe.
The problem is that the batteries don't last as long as the cars. You then need to spend a few grand on new batteries after about 8 years. So you pay more for the car then the value is low when new batteries are due. A bargain if you only stay local. But most people don't .
But how much does a Tesla cost?Actually most people do. Something like 95% drive less than 30 miles in an average day. But yeah there’s issues to overcome. I’m not sure 8 years is right. For a start my hybrid is 12 years old and still rocking its original battery (accept that it has far less wear than a fully electric car). Tesla’s are current rated at 300,000-500,000 miles. If we take the mid point of that that’s driving 50k miles a year to run it down on eight years. Again very much an outlier in terms of use.
But how much does a Tesla cost?
I want a Tesla. But I am waiting for the prices to come down. Will most probably get one when I retire. Won't be doing my long journeys then. And will never be in a rush ever again when I am on a long journey. Although I do like the BMW i8.
You are well over 60. Remember telling everyone you voted in the 1970's referendum on the Common Market entry ?
Exactly the point I think G was trying to make. The ruination of Germany that was bought about by Hitler's policies led to modern Germany booming like a Phoenix from the ashes.
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Problems I've had with electric cars are that
1. the metals needed for the batteries etc can require some very environmentally unfriendly extraction/refining processes
2. we change the way we generate electricity cos even though the emissions aren't coming out the arse of the car it's still being generated somewhere. This transition is slowly happening though.
I think they will take over eventually as the norm but they need to become more user friendly in terms of range and ease/speed of refueling without massively reducing the life of the battery. They will get there eventually.
I thought hydrogen fuel cells may have taken over as a stop gap a few years ago as it'd work in a similar way to current cars in terms of refueling and could use the existing petrol station network but the idea seemed to fall completely by the wayside.
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