The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

SkyblueBazza

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Do please request a slot to argue that Hitler was good for Germany.
To be fair - you (& others) are deliberately trying to slant this to discredit the poster rather than acknowledge the concept.

G is not a Nazi supporter, in the same way as I was not trivialising the holocaust in a previous post that I was lambasted for. It is simply a case of you choosing to focus upon & take issue with the non-issue

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SkyblueBazza

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Evidence shows that when you do favours for the rich they tend to pocket the extra wealth and it doesn’t trickle down. The experiment in Kansas with this led the state to financial ruin very quickly indeed.

More to the point the tax cuts for the rich and corporations have done little to stem the outsourcing of American jobs to countries with lower wages. We also know that the wealthy tend to indulge in tax avoidance with great success even with ‘friendly’ rates now. Making it harder to avoid paying a fair contribution should be applauded.
It does trickle down, they will tend to spend more extravagantly

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SkyblueBazza

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I’m just saying

Well you’ll see that Grendel is somewhat right - economically he did benefit Germany.

obviously mass genocide and starting World War 2 is heinous and ultimately he was destroyed for good - but if you’re looking at him from a purely economic view he was good for Germany
Exactly the point I think G was trying to make. The ruination of Germany that was bought about by Hitler's policies led to modern Germany booming like a Phoenix from the ashes.

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To be fair - you (& others) are deliberately trying to slant this to discredit the poster rather than acknowledge the concept.

G is not a Nazi supporter, in the same way as I was not trivialising the holocaust in a previous post that I was lambasted for. It is simply a case of you choosing to focus upon & take issue with the non-issue

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Yes you did, actually.

It was offensive and yet you didn’t apologisefor it and bizarrely still try and be condescending and take the high ground with others on here.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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If I am, it doesn’t say much for you’re inability to form a coherent argument against me.
Why does it have to be coherent ? Your rambling nonsense about how the under 40's struggle getting on the housing market is somehow the fault of the older generation who seem to be responsible for consistent house price increase is laughable. But of course, these older folk all voted Brexit as well......
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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By your own made up figures (again this isn’t actually Labour policy), each person still gets more than enough for a good deposit on a decent house. That 500k house is only paid off because they bought it for £100k then spent decades voting in politicians who implemented policies designed to raise house prices. That breaks the inter generational contract. That’s why the under 40s are pissed off. Your generation has good jobs, decent pensions, affordable houses, and free education. Then when you became the voting majority decided all that stuff is socialist nonsense and got rid of it.
Of course , sometimes one has to chose between a deposit on a property against the latest mobile phone and a Costa Coffee. Life's really, tough.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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To be fair - you (& others) are deliberately trying to slant this to discredit the poster rather than acknowledge the concept.

G is not a Nazi supporter, in the same way as I was not trivialising the holocaust in a previous post that I was lambasted for. It is simply a case of you choosing to focus upon & take issue with the non-issue

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The point on its own is bogus. The point in context is to try and go 'gotcha' when he brings up that Diane Abbott did something similar.

It does trickle down, they will tend to spend more extravagantly

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Erm...doesn't work out like that in practice does it? Massive tax cuts for the rich just tend to blow bigger holes in government revenue
 

shmmeee

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So...if taxes here reach a point where it is more cost effective, & a better risk-benefit ratio, to move their money elsewhere...they will do so.
They are clever enough to know that Labour is vindictively seeking to grab their wealth from them.

I'm sure that the vast majority of us would do likewise. Some will say they wouldn't, but imo it is only a small proportion of those that wouldn't in reality

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Others countries like the states have managed to bring capital back after it was being held abroad. I don’t get why you do Britain down so much. We have a great population and regulation. We’re a fantastic place to do business. There’s more to business than just minimising your tax bill or everyone would be in the Bahamas already.
 

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Mate. I bought in 2007 just before the crash on a 105% mortgage. I then got screwed out of my equity during my divorce. I am not winning. But I’m in the top 15% of earners, I can rent comfortably and will get back on the ladder one day. This isn’t about me, an entire generation isn’t stupid, lazy or lying dude, they really are having trouble getting on the housing ladder.
So if you didn't have to pay your ex you would have equity in your own home.

So where have I said that anyone is stupid or lazy? You constantly either say or make out that I have said things I haven't.

Out of all my older kids only one doesn't own their own home. The eldest paid £280,000 for her present home. I didn't help. It can be done. But I laugh when those who have to rent a new car every 3 years, have to have the latest gadgets and go on expensive holidays complain that they can't afford their own home.

And before you say it.....like I know you would.....I am not saying that it anyone here. But in no way is it unusual.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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If you’re paying £20k for your phone someone’s seen you coming a mile off. You’ll be whining about avocados next.
I don't pay 20k for a mobile phone thankyou. I don't like avocados at all so why would I whine about them ? Perhaps you can enlighten me seeing as you know it all .
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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If you’re paying £20k for your phone someone’s seen you coming a mile off. You’ll be whining about avocados next.
You took out a mortgage greater than the value of the property?. Someone saw you coming. You'll be whining that's someone elses fault.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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you‘re mad as a hatter. What old name? I am not a pensioner. You seem obsessed with my sex life, which is unfortunately not as colourful as you pretend.
You are well over 60. Remember telling everyone you voted in the 1970's referendum on the Common Market entry ?
 

SkyblueBazza

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Yes you did, actually.

It was offensive and yet you didn’t apologisefor it and bizarrely still try and be condescending and take the high ground with others on here.
You and a small number of others decided to take offence...others saw the point. The outcome of the referendum was being trivialised by someone.

As for high ground, your nose is so far up in the air you cannot see high ground!

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SkyblueBazza

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The point on its own is bogus. The point in context is to try and go 'gotcha' when he brings up that Diane Abbott did something similar.



Erm...doesn't work out like that in practice does it? Massive tax cuts for the rich just tend to blow bigger holes in government revenue
What tax cuts?

If tax cuts are made they make a bit of a hole in the overall tax revenue. If Taxes are raised highly, the rich take their money elsewhere...that is a much bigger hole!

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Brighton Sky Blue

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What tax cuts?

If tax cuts are made they make a bit of a hole in the overall tax revenue. If Taxes are raised highly, the rich take their money elsewhere...that is a much bigger hole!

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Shall we have a look at how the American budget deficit has changed since Trump took office and passed enormous tax cuts for the rich? We could also look and see what happened when they did the same under Dubya...and Reagan...and Hoover
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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You and a small number of others decided to take offence...others saw the point. The outcome of the referendum was being trivialised by someone.

As for high ground, your nose is so far up in the air you cannot see high ground!

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For G the point was to play gotcha with Diane Abbott. The argument is bullshit and you giving it credence shows you for being the hack you are.
 

SkyblueBazza

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For G the point was to play gotcha with Diane Abbott. The argument is bullshit and you giving it credence shows you for being the hack you are.
And your response shows you for the twat that you are.

Your respecting or at least defending a racist just because she is Labour is totally against what you seem to claim you stand for!

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SkyblueBazza

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Shall we have a look at how the American budget deficit has changed since Trump took office and passed enormous tax cuts for the rich? We could also look and see what happened when they did the same under Dubya...and Reagan...and Hoover
Yes - do go for it

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Brighton Sky Blue

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And your response shows you for the twat that you are.

Your respecting or at least defending a racist just because she is Labour is totally against what you seem to claim you stand for!

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What a muppet-have a look at what I’ve written about the woman. None of it is complimentary. Guess it’s what happens when you dive in with both feet without doing some homework.
 

Sick Boy

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You and a small number of others decided to take offence...others saw the point. The outcome of the referendum was being trivialised by someone.

As for high ground, your nose is so far up in the air you cannot see high ground!

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Wow.
 

Sick Boy

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And your response shows you for the twat that you are.

Your respecting or at least defending a racist just because she is Labour is totally against what you seem to claim you stand for!

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The only twat on the whole of this thread is you.
 

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I love how if Corbyn gets in that Starbucks, Amazon, Tesco and all the multi-national conglomerates will stop trading here the next day.
 

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I love how if Corbyn gets in that Starbucks, Amazon, Tesco and all the multi-national conglomerates will stop trading here the next day.
You probably won’t believe me but I refuse to purchase anything from Amazon - this is both due to its treatment of workers and the competitor advantage it gets from not having to pay business rates - not one political party addressed the business tax issues and as a result this company is given the opportunity to dictate retail strategy
 

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You probably won’t believe me but I refuse to purchase anything from Amazon - this is both due to its treatment of workers and the competitor advantage it gets from not having to pay business rates - not one political party addressed the business tax issues and as a result this company is given the opportunity to dictate retail strategy
Agreed, I avoid it as well.
 

Astute

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You probably won’t believe me but I refuse to purchase anything from Amazon - this is both due to its treatment of workers and the competitor advantage it gets from not having to pay business rates - not one political party addressed the business tax issues and as a result this company is given the opportunity to dictate retail strategy
I have never bought off Amazon for the same reason. But I nearly did once years ago. My wife wanted something. The only place I could find ut was Amazon. It wasn't just as easy as buying it and paying for it. They wanted me to register and all that. I came to my senses and pulled out of buying the item. Told the wife she couldn't have it.

The world is set up to make the rich richer and keep the poor at the bottom. Those who dodge tax should be given the chance to pay the tax due or refused entrance to that market. Those who help them not ti pay tax should be hit financially. Laws should change that mean tax is paid where the money is made.
 

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So after 1316 pages of arguing, has anybody changed their mind on brexit here :)