Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Yeah I stand by what I said, you actually stifle debate by not understanding what people write and then having petulant tantrums.
Have you forgotten that everyone has read what you have put?
I'd love a debate. But one based on truth. So that counts you out.
Gove is such a c*nt and his wife is vile.What kind of political life is it when Michael Give seems a stellar public speaker when compared to his Prime Minister?!?
How remain is his seat? It'd surely be under threat?
At least he's trying to get an election before he backtracks on his Heathrow runway pledges.
What we could do with is mass resignations from all parties. Have two parties for a GE. The Tories in some sort of form on one side and everyone else on the other. Brexit or no Brexit. No need for another referendum.For voting against his government?
Yeah, let's sack every MP who votes against their government...
No sorry, I was watching on Parliament TV, it’s also on BBC Parliament channel. Still on going but Gove is taking questions now. There are a few video snippets on twitter.
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A) there’s only one version of remain.
B) several parties offer several versions of leave. The Tory Party is even offering two versions on their own.
C) which seat is important. Didn’t May increase her vote share and reduce her number of seats? Boris could win the popular vote but if the numbers are concentrated in leave voting traditional Tory strongholds it counts for nothing.
The greens in a general election are an irrelevance and their vote would probably go to the undems anyway and there is no way that they will form a pre election pact with labour
It now seems that labour will refuse the election so despite Tony and BSB insisting the government can call one they cannot
What we could do with is mass resignations from all parties. Have two parties for a GE. The Tories in some sort of form on one side and everyone else on the other. Brexit or no Brexit. No need for another referendum.
We need this bullshit to stop one way or the other. We can't be constantly kept on hold. People's futures are at stake. Milliins of retirements are coming up. People are trying to decide where to live. Money is being wasted by companies on what to do if we leave without a deal or get a deal. And we don't even know if we will leave for sure.
Just call a date. No more extensions. Everyone get around a table.
Don't understand me saying how areas around the EU will be affected. You call it bullshit for months. Then you provided a link saying exactly what I have said. Then the insults come out trying to make out that I am thick.Yeah I stand by what I said, you actually stifle debate by not understanding what people write and then having petulant tantrums.
Don't understand me saying how areas around the EU will be affected. You call it bullshit for months. Then you provided a link saying exactly what I have said. Then the insults come out trying to make out that I am thick.
Yeah OK SB.
Again, if they had any sense they'd work with Labour and not stand against one another in certain seats, if Brexit Party decide to do the same with Tories.No the 50 50 point is that the only party standing in the election who will be prepared to leave the Eu will be the Tories
Labour offer no leave option anymore at all - a confused statement on a referendum - so actually the Lib Dem’s and labour are offering a difference - one a referendum the other to remain anyway (as will the greens)
The Brexit party will in all probability not stand candidates in many seats
Mays seat reduction was predominately down to a collapse in votes for UKIP not all moving back to the Tories and critically the Lib Dem vote falling apart. The Lib Dem vote will return back to normal this time round
What we could do with is mass resignations from all parties. Have two parties for a GE. The Tories in some sort of form on one side and everyone else on the other. Brexit or no Brexit. No need for another referendum.
We need this bullshit to stop one way or the other. We can't be constantly kept on hold. People's futures are at stake. Milliins of retirements are coming up. People are trying to decide where to live. Money is being wasted by companies on what to do if we leave without a deal or get a deal. And we don't even know if we will leave for sure.
Just call a date. No more extensions. Everyone get around a table.
At least you could tell us how much of an amazing job he has done once he has gone .
Boris Johnson will be very centrist in policy - he’s got no Tory values, will happily throw money around, will be liberal over drug legislation if the need arises and will happily support the lazy and the indolent
His actual social and economic policies will make Blair look like a far right extremist
This im sure is going to cause you to choke on your corned beef sandwich but Johnson will want to be a man to all people
It’s also interesting that He’s control is akin to that thatcher and Campbell (who was really the prime minister) and they lasted for a decade each in power
Which is great G, except as you well know the government can propose an early election and if it has 2/3 backing it will happen. Not very bright for such a cocky prick
Again, if they had any sense they'd work with Labour and not stand against one another in certain seats, if Brexit Party decide to do the same with Tories.
They won't, of course.
In terms of winning power, the left and centrre-left just isn't ruthless enough!
The Tories and Brexit party would become one. Anyone wanting Brexit could join them. Those in the parties that don't want what their leaders want just leave. Then there could be freedom of speech. Nobody could be threatened.In that case all you’d need is deflections from the Tories to the Brexit Party, which is the rightful home of the likes of Rees Mogg, Patel et al
Apparently we never said that and it was him making that point all along. Except when he needs that point to disappear in which case we did make that point and we’re wrong.
So how many people think May did an amazing job like you say she did? Nobody will even say she did a good job. Because she didn't.But he hasn’t?
I know people having opinions based on thinking about the events that happen and not what they’ve been told to say by their “side” but be weird for you to handle, sorry.
Personally I'd force Johnson to sort out the mess of his making, rather than try and blame well... just about everyone bar him.It's completely in their interest to have an election, they have fuck all MPs and nothing to lose. Labour would be insane to agree to one and should steer clear until the shitstorm blows over.
The Tories and Brexit party would become one. Anyone wanting Brexit could join them. Those in the parties that don't want what their leaders want just leave. Then there could be freedom of speech. Nobody could be threatened.
Would the MP's go the way of their voters or follow what they really want?
Give us a political bloodbath and start again.
Would you like to point out where I said that?I don’t buy the argument that no deal will give businesses any certainty or save them money.
Personally I'd force Johnson to sort out the mess of his making, rather than try and blame well... just about everyone bar him.
And if he can't, he can quit. Perhaps after this unmitigated disaster, and threats to MPs of deselection, the idea of a National Government to set in process a referendum may not be as unpalatable as it was to some, just a few days ago even.
So leaving without a deal isn't a policy?The Brexit Party has no manifesto and no policies except for No Deal. Quite easy to persuade people to vote for you when there's no policies to disagree with and a personality cult to get behind.
Would you like to point out where I said that?
Money is being wasted by companies on what to do if we leave without a deal or get a deal. .
Which is great G, except as you well know the government can propose an early election and if it has 2/3 backing it will happen. Not very bright for such a cocky prick
Yup. I'd even fear it might go the way of fuck the EU, whatever damage it does. But at least we can safely say people should know what the consequences are now.The answer is so blatantly a second referendum it's mind numbingly frustrating. Swinson wants more MPs, Corbyn is deludedly wanting another election and Johnson wants to flip off Europe ASAP.
The Brexit Party has no manifesto and no policies except for No Deal. Quite easy to persuade people to vote for you when there's no policies to disagree with and a personality cult to get behind.
So leaving without a deal isn't a policy?
Would you vote for them? Of course not. And all because of their single policy.
The Brexit Party has no manifesto and no policies except for No Deal. .
So blatantly?The answer is so blatantly a second referendum it's mind numbingly frustrating. Swinson wants more MPs, Corbyn is deludedly wanting another election and Johnson wants to flip off Europe ASAP.
Personally I'd force Johnson to sort out the mess of his making, rather than try and blame well... just about everyone bar him.
And if he can't, he can quit. Perhaps after this unmitigated disaster, and threats to MPs of deselection, the idea of a National Government to set in process a referendum may not be as unpalatable as it was to some, just a few days ago even.
So blatantly?
So what if leave won again? Would you accept the result?
If remain won 52% v48% would you be happy if leave argu3d the toss for 3 years or more until there was a 3rd referendum?
What we could do with is mass resignations from all parties. Have two parties for a GE. The Tories in some sort of form on one side and everyone else on the other. Brexit or no Brexit. No need for another referendum.
We need this bullshit to stop one way or the other. We can't be constantly kept on hold. People's futures are at stake. Milliins of retirements are coming up. People are trying to decide where to live. Money is being wasted by companies on what to do if we leave without a deal or get a deal. And we don't even know if we will leave for sure.
Just call a date. No more extensions. Everyone get around a table.
The ref would need to be based on a specific deal or two stages, one to negotiate a new deal and one on wether to accept it. It would also have to be legally binding and properly policed against interference and over spending. These oversights were the issues with the first one.
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There isn’t two sides though. There’s three. No Deal Brexit (half the Tories + BXP), Deal Brexit (the other half the Tories + 1/3 Labour), Remain (2/3 Labour + Green + SNP + LD).
Leave has always been a broad coalition.
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