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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (21 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,516
Astute said:
They won't. And I will say yet again. I expect a deal to be made in this 2 year period.
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I'm sorry, but that is delusional. Over the three year period whilst under Article 50, the UK and EU have failed to agree a deal on the transition from the UK being a member state to it not.

Who'd have thought unraveling 40 years of regulatory alignment would be so difficult.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,517
Astute said:
The right to family life will mean I can join my family. I am 55 in 3 years, 7 months and 3 weeks. That is when I retire and join them. We will be OK as we won't be on any kind of French benefits. That would create a problem. And our youngest two will be 13 and 14 so we will have more freedom to enjoy it. Can't wait to get out of the UK rat race.
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You do realise that the Brexiteers want to withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights as well, don't you?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,518
So this is one of de Pfeffel's creative solutions, oh dear.

Boris Johnson wants Ireland to leave EU trade rules and form a new union with the UK instead after Brexit
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,519
Sick Boy said:
So this is one of de Pfeffel's creative solutions, oh dear.

Boris Johnson wants Ireland to leave EU trade rules and form a new union with the UK instead after Brexit
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How do you pronounce Pfeffel? I’m assuming Piffle.

Ridiculous suggestion if true. Not sure how he could expect any country to take him seriously if that’s the sum total of his ideas. Still, at least it means that brexiteers have someone else to blame. It’s Ireland’s fault because they wouldn’t leave the EU with us.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,520
skybluetony176 said:
How do you pronounce Pfeffel? I’m assuming Piffle.

Ridiculous suggestion if true. Not sure how he could expect any country to take him seriously if that’s the sum total of his ideas. Still, at least it means that brexiteers have someone else to blame. It’s Ireland’s fault because they wouldn’t leave the EU with us.
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Hahaha I am waiting for Grendel to claim that it would be a sensible idea and Ireland should do it.

If this is his solution then the country is in serious trouble.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,521
fernandopartridge said:
I'm sorry, but that is delusional. Over the three year period whilst under Article 50, the UK and EU have failed to agree a deal on the transition from the UK being a member state to it not.

Who'd have thought unraveling 40 years of regulatory alignment would be so difficult.
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Delusional?

So now the EU won't be in any way wanting a trade deal with us?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,522
Astute said:
Delusional?

So now the EU won't be in any way wanting a trade deal with us?
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They do now, they wanted to agree a withdrawal with us and couldn't, it is utterly delusional. It isn't just about tariffs.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,523
fernandopartridge said:
You do realise that the Brexiteers want to withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights as well, don't you?
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You have idiots on both sides. Are you denying so?

They are in France. Are they also going to withdraw if we do?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,524
fernandopartridge said:
They do now, they wanted to agree a withdrawal with us and couldn't, it is utterly delusional. It isn't just about tariffs.
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Did I say it was?

They want a deal totally weighted on their side. They are within their rights. But are you saying that the EU won't do any sort of deal within the next 2 years? It is delusional to think so.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,525
Astute said:
Did I say it was?

They want a deal totally weighted on their side. They are within their rights. But are you saying that the EU won't do any sort of deal within the next 2 years? It is delusional to think so.
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"Totally weighted on their side" = compatible with the complex set of rules governing the single market, the ones designed by the UK
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,526
Astute said:
Did I say it was?

They want a deal totally weighted on their side. They are within their rights. But are you saying that the EU won't do any sort of deal within the next 2 years? It is delusional to think so.
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If we aren’t taking any of the off the shelf stuff like CU we’ll have to negotiate a bespoke deal. That’s 5-7 years probably.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,527
skybluetony176 said:
How do you pronounce Pfeffel? I’m assuming Piffle.
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I think it’s, TWAT
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,528
shmmeee said:
If we aren’t taking any of the off the shelf stuff like CU we’ll have to negotiate a bespoke deal. That’s 5-7 years probably.
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You can trace the beginnings of the Canada deal back to 2007.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,529
Astute said:
Did I say it was?

so.
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I love the way you have the cheek to say this when he has called the time scale delusional and you’ve changed that to “so you’re saying they won’t want to do a deal?”




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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,530
Astute said:
So why will things crash and burn November 1st? Why will all the worse case scenarios happen straight away?

They won't. And I will say yet again. I expect a deal to be made in this 2 year period.
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I didn’t say they would. I said the basic deal wouldn’t be as comprehensive as the transition period that they offered. According to Juncker.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,531
Astute said:
So there is no public support on reform in the EU? Added to public support is every leader of every country in the EU wants reform. So why can't it happen?

Because those who hold all the power are the ones who would have to give up their power. But they prefer to promote others who will carry on as usual. And they are even prepared to break their own laws, rules and regulations to keep it this way. And when caught out doing so they ignore all calls for justice.
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I didn’t say there was no support for reform. There has been a lot of indifference though, or lack of knowledge of how the EU works. What I meant was for specific reforms. It easy to say the EU should reform, but how and which part? You have to have pressure groups, campaigns etc.. Led by people, probably politicians, who can get things done. You need several million signatures from several countries to get the Commission to propose a law, if you cannot get the governments in the council to present the idea to the commission. Too few people vote at EU elections, which is how the relatively unknown Farage first got into the limelight. For years the public ignored their chance to get things done. Now they blame the EU. maybe they have a point.

As regarding Selmayr, he has now been demoted, but has a nice job as the EU representative in Austria. As I said would happen after the elections. Quietly pushed out of the way. The people with the real power are the governments in the EU council.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,532
Johnson has publicly agreed to cut his bargaining time by more than half hahaha! And he’s finally admitted it’s the UK that has come to up with a solution.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,533
Sick Boy said:
Johnson has publicly agreed to cut his bargaining time by more than half hahaha! And he’s finally admitted it’s the UK that has come to up with a solution.
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Don’t panic, tomorrow is a different day, there’s plenty of time to start blaming everyone else.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,534
skybluetony176 said:
Don’t panic, tomorrow is a different day, there’s plenty of time to start blaming everyone else.
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I think the whole ‘big idea’ revolves around threats and hoping that he EU blinks first and gives into the UK’s demands.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see him branded a sell out and traitor at some point in the future by the rabid lot.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,535
...and the odious Nigel Farage has kicked it off and now seems to be completely against any sort of transitional deal.

 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,536
Sick Boy said:
...and the odious Nigel Farage has kicked it off and now seems to be completely against any sort of transitional deal.

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Who gives a fxxk what Trump thinks. It’s the UK that is supposed to be becoming an independent country.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,537
The commentators here say that BoJo is on an election campaign and trying to appeal to Brexit voters. He tried to push any blame on to Merkel and she said if the solution is so easy he should be able to provide it in 30 days. Everyone says the EU cannot give into blackmail as China and Trump are watching to see if the EU holds together. The German CBI also backs the EU line, but hopes a deal will be done in the end. Blackmail belongs in a TV police series, not in politics as one commentator put it. No one trusts BoJo anyway.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 21, 2019
  • #39,538
martcov said:
Who gives a fxxk what Trump thinks. It’s the UK that is supposed to be becoming an independent country.
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Yeah, it’s clear where his true agenda lies.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,539
fernandopartridge said:
You do realise that the Brexiteers want to withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights as well, don't you?
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Which I thought was our idea after the war had shown us what happens when a government decides to do away with people’s rights. Shows how much the UK has changed in recent years.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,540
Sick Boy said:
...and the odious Nigel Farage has kicked it off and now seems to be completely against any sort of transitional deal.

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Taking back control my arse. Clearly Ferage wants to take the reigns of the EU and pass them to Trump. What a traitor.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,541
Sick Boy said:
I think the whole ‘big idea’ revolves around threats and hoping that he EU blinks first and gives into the UK’s demands.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see him branded a sell out and traitor at some point in the future by the rabid lot.
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It’s about time the brexit camp labelled someone a sellout and traitor who actually deserves the labels so I’m OK with that.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,542
Sick Boy said:
Yeah, it’s clear where his true agenda lies.
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To even try and get people worried about the thoughts of a foreign head of state is amazing. Shows how desperate we are to be screwed by the USA through a FTA. I wonder what Farage’s cut will be? Imagine if I said, oh I don’t think Merkel will be impressed by us leaving, better not do it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,543
Sick Boy said:
Yeah, it’s clear where his true agenda lies.
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Buying the Isle of Wight? Because he thinks it's his utopia without any of those pesky blacks and hispanics. And it'll be paid for by the Black Country.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,544
martcov said:
To even try and get people worried about the thoughts of a foreign head of state is amazing. Shows how desperate we are to be screwed by the USA through a FTA. I wonder what Farage’s cut will be? Imagine if I said, oh I don’t think Merkel will be impressed by us leaving, better not do it.
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Yeah it’s actually incredible, especially after his crap about sovereignty.

I actually think Johnson will get turned on next as I think that he would ideally like to repackage May’s deal and get it through parliament.

Incredibly some have once again moved the goalposts and the referendum result was a mandate for no deal.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,545
Sick Boy said:
Yeah it’s actually incredible, especially after his crap about sovereignty.

I actually think Johnson will get turned on next as I think that he would ideally like to repackage May’s deal and get it through parliament.

Incredibly some have once again moved the goalposts and the referendum result was a mandate for no deal.
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Personally I always saw the referendum as being for no deal. That's what leaving is so you'd have to work from the assumption there'd be nothing. All the talk about this deal or that deal were in there to convince the less rabid Brexiteers who maybe had certain aspects of the EU they wanted to keep, resulting in lots of people voting for what their own interpretation of what Brexit was rather than what is actually was because no-one knew.

But it is galling how the likes of Farage who complained about the control the EU had now essentially want to give that to the US and Trump in what would be a terrible deal. At least we can be thankful China is Communist so they'll be put off selling us out to them (though I imagine the Middle East see quite a few new opportunities potentially coming their way).
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,546
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Buying the Isle of Wight? Because he thinks it's his utopia without any of those pesky blacks and hispanics. And it'll be paid for by the Black Country.
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Apparently he wanted to buy Greenland so he could meet his favourite film star. Shrek.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,547
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Personally I always saw the referendum as being for no deal. That's what leaving is so you'd have to work from the assumption there'd be nothing. All the talk about this deal or that deal were in there to convince the less rabid Brexiteers who maybe had certain aspects of the EU they wanted to keep, resulting in lots of people voting for what their own interpretation of what Brexit was rather than what is actually was because no-one knew.

But it is galling how the likes of Farage who complained about the control the EU had now essentially want to give that to the US and Trump in what would be a terrible deal. At least we can be thankful China is Communist so they'll be put off selling us out to them (though I imagine the Middle East see quite a few new opportunities potentially coming their way).
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I know people who voted leave expecting to join the EEA, I know people who voted leave expecting to leave with a deal. Maybe we should have a second referendum with a second vote preference choice in the event of leave winning for EEA, leave with a deal or hard brexit.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,548
Sick Boy said:
It wouldn’t surprise me to see him branded a sell out and traitor at some point in the future by the rabid lot.
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I’d imagine that’s a certainty.




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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,549
Sick Boy said:
...and the odious Nigel Farage has kicked it off and now seems to be completely against any sort of transitional deal.

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You could almost believe he has something to gain from a trade deal with America and has been taking voters for fools all this time...


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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 22, 2019
  • #39,550
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