SkyBlueDom26
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Exactly, now lets give him a chance
Exactly, now lets give him a chanceJohnson has no actual solutions though and just seems to believe in some weird form of positive thinking.
Oh dear.Exactly, now lets give him a chance
Oh dear.
Do yourself a favour and don’t look at a recent poll of Conservative party members. They overwhelmingly couldn’t give a fuck if Scotland gained independence or Northern Ireland unites with the south so long as brexit happens. Quite ironic for a party who’s full name is the Conservative and Unionist Party. Northern Ireland especially they couldn’t give a fuck about which again is ironic because it’s the part of the union that is more entrenched in the union than any other part including England and also contains the most staunchly proud brits in the United Kingdom. There aren’t many places in the UK outside of Northern Ireland where the kirbstones are painted red white and blue, murals of the queen and previous English monarchs adhorn the streets, has national holidays to celebrate pivotal moments in British history. It’s also the only other country in the UK that uses god save the queen as it’s national anthem. But the conservatives say fuck em, grr brexit at any cost.
Positivity is essential but no replacement for cold hard negotiation. He’s a prat
All that’s left is be positive and hope for the best.
Great.
No he’s going to borrow like a drunken sailor and give out sweeties to everyone
Maybe Pete but the situation has got to be played out.
The underlying fact is the EU have said the withdrawal agreement cannot be reopened, yet we/they know it cannot get through parliament ?!
Boris believes rightly or wrongly it can get through with changes ie removal (replacement !) of backstop and probably some other minor tweaks.
If the EU want a deal they just need to say let’s talk but they aren’t budging. I’m sure they’ve war gamed the scenarios but I think they might, for the first time in negotiations, have misjudged the situation, which isn't good for anyone. I think they hope parliament will be able to prevent a No deal and an extension will be required or an election will happen which may lead to us remaining - both currently appear unlikely.
The most likely outcomes are currently No Deal or an Election (not sure it will lead to us remaining though)
Love him or hate him, whats Boris supposed to do in the meantime ? Unless he’s an idiot....prepare for both !
Or the UK is going to have to budge, which is actually going to be much more likely.
But the withdrawal agreement has been rejected three times by parliament already ?!!
The only realistic way I can see that we can budge is by having an election to try to change the make up of parliament
And it’s ironic that the likes of ERG have managed to stop Brexit from happening!
I fear otherwise!He won’t last a year.
I fear otherwise!
Promise the world, how you pay for it is someone else's problem in a few years time.
Christ, there's some paranoia going on here.
Maybe just maybe Germany have been more efficient than us, structured their industry better than us, and haven't rested on their laurels looking to the past... like us.
Fuckin Tories, spending money !!:emoji_face_palm:
Love him or hate him, whats Boris supposed to do in the meantime ? Unless he’s an idiot....prepare for both !
Boris Johnson clashes with Irish PM Leo Varadkar over Brexit backstop in first talks
Maybe if May went in with this attitude when negotiating the deal instead of being bullied she'd of got a better deal
Call another referendum with No Deal vs Remain and ensure it is legally binding. If enough people really want Brexit at any price it will happen, if opinion has changed, we can admit this was a mistake and forget about it
Call another referendum with No Deal vs Remain and ensure it is legally binding. If enough people really want Brexit at any price it will happen, if opinion has changed, we can admit this was a mistake and forget about it
I've recently discovered that you're from the black countryThe paranoia is mostly coming from the few of you who believe the end of our world is nigh on October 31st if we leave (& I say 'if' because I will believe it when I see it), especially without a deal!
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He’s going to throw loads of money at things. We are going to borrow like a drunken sailor
No deal vs remain at the current terms? So if anything changes in terms of further integration you would accept a breach of that is not what many remainers want? You can’t just pigeon hole one side of the argument.
I've recently discovered that you're from the black country
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No deal vs remain at the current terms? So if anything changes in terms of further integration you would accept a breach of that is not what many remainers want? You can’t just pigeon hole one side of the argument.
Maybe Pete but the situation has got to be played out.
The underlying fact is the EU have said the withdrawal agreement cannot be reopened, yet we/they know it cannot get through parliament ?!
Boris believes rightly or wrongly it can get through with changes ie removal (replacement !) of backstop and probably some other minor tweaks.
If the EU want a deal they just need to say let’s talk but they aren’t budging. I’m sure they’ve war gamed the scenarios but I think they might, for the first time in negotiations, have misjudged the situation, which isn't good for anyone. I think they hope parliament will be able to prevent a No deal and an extension will be required or an election will happen which may lead to us remaining - both currently appear unlikely.
The most likely outcomes are currently No Deal or an Election (not sure it will lead to us remaining though)
Love him or hate him, whats Boris supposed to do in the meantime ? Unless he’s an idiot....prepare for both !
The UK would be able to leverage some kind of exemption from closer integration and not be responsible for Eurozone bailouts, much like what Cameron agreed before the vote
I don’t think the EU have misjudged the situation at all. BoJo blasts his way in. Opens his mouth and immediately makes a promise which in order to keep, he needs to convince parliament that it is a good tactic to threaten to shoot the UK in the foot to get the backstop taken out, the UK having suggested it in the first place. He has 22 days of parliament sitting to do this.
The clock is ticking. The preparations for no deal are going to cost fortunes for the UK government and UK businesses and farming.
It can only crash. He doesn’t have a mandate for no deal anyway and half the country don’t want Brexit. A GE is coming shortly. And then a PV. The last chance to stop this madness. No guarantees that either side will come out on top, but the deadlock has to be broken somehow. Worth at least a try. Not a good place for the country to be in.
I’m sure he will call a general election. So that’s the end - he will go on a 31 October exit and either he gets the majority in parliament or he doesn’t
Either way we will know then the final direction.
It’d probably end up in a hung parliament
Even if Brexit stand down? Johnson would have 42% if they did on latest polling and the labour and Lib Dem’s are divided so I think he will have a real chance of a majority
I don’t think the EU have misjudged the situation at all. BoJo blasts his way in. Opens his mouth and immediately makes a promise which in order to keep, he needs to convince parliament that it is a good tactic to threaten to shoot the UK in the foot to get the backstop taken out, the UK having suggested it in the first place. He has 22 days of parliament sitting to do this.
The clock is ticking. The preparations for no deal are going to cost fortunes for the UK government and UK businesses and farming.
It can only crash. He doesn’t have a mandate for no deal anyway and half the country don’t want Brexit. A GE is coming shortly. And then a PV. The last chance to stop this madness. No guarantees that either side will come out on top, but the deadlock has to be broken somehow. Worth at least a try. Not a good place for the country to be in.
More likely he’ll give the promised tax cuts to the better off and water down tax avoidance laws. Most of the investments apart from more police and some military spending wil be kicked down the road until after the GE, which is why he is in effect already on the campaign trail.
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