dutchman
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That's because their readers are sick of hearing about europe and just wish the whole thing would go away.
Just under three years ago they thought it had after they voted to leave.
That's because their readers are sick of hearing about europe and just wish the whole thing would go away.Love it check the Sun website for election update and headline story is about some TV programme called love Island. Wonder why there is political apathy then check the bigger selling newspapers.
They do or else they would have voted for remain parties instead of staying at home and not voting at all. (That's if you believe Britain is already in the process of leaving which I don't).
That's because their readers are sick of hearing about europe and just wish the whole thing would go away.
Just under three years ago they thought it had after they voted to leave.
I agree!You don’t have to get out if you don’t want to change the status quo or are not that bothered. If you want to change things you have to get out and vote. Most people are not that bothered.
Oh yes let’s see a conservative candidate go to its members with a policy of revoking article 50
Why not? They were perfectly happy with their candidates voting for May's sell-out deal.
Are the contradictions from only one side or are they only noticed on one side?There is no contradiction too great for a hardline Brexiter
This is nonsense and a blatant distortion of the truth.
All of Labour’s European candidates were pro-Remain, something that was pointed out. So to lump on Labour’s 15% as to the ‘leave’ column is just wrong. For starts, I voted Labour last week and I’m a Remainer. The majority of Labour members are overwhelmingly pro-Remain and we don’t know how much of its traditional base voted Brexit Party last week.
The only way we’ll actually find out what the public truly thinks of Brexit is with any another referendum, not some nonsense guess work.
Brexit Party and UKIP got roughly the same amount of votes as Lib Dem, Greens and Change UK. PC and SNP not included because despite being overtly pro-Remain, have a significant % of Leave voters.
LOL. All their support went to a party pushing the same single message...deliver brexit.So you're quite happily ignoring UKIP's performance, who themselves got absolutely mauled?
You made the claim there is no mechanism for a second referendum/renegotiated deal which is false.
You know this hence you didn’t say anything about an extension.
Don't hold your breath on that one G. The establishment has been fully mobilised to find a 'reasonable' means of ignoring the referendum result.There isn’t in practice as the Eu have stated no more extensions without conditions including a referendum and that can’t get through parliament
Love it check the Sun website for election update and headline story is about some TV programme called love Island. Wonder why there is political apathy then check the bigger selling newspapers.
Why not? They were perfectly happy with their candidates voting for May's sell-out deal.
LOL. All their support went to a party pushing the same single message...deliver brexit.
Where is the support for Change who have built their house on 180° foundations to this?
The Lib and Green vote carries multiple policies as I've pointed out. There are obviously people who want to remain and went there, but the notion the country is vastly in favour of staying in the EU is frankly daft.
Agreed, it's about 50:50 as it ever was.
LOL. All their support went to a party pushing the same single message...deliver brexit.
Where is the support for Change who have built their house on 180° foundations to this?
The Lib and Green vote carries multiple policies as I've pointed out. There are obviously people who want to remain and went there, but the notion the country is vastly in favour of staying in the EU is frankly daft.
And this is the epitome of the problem. We are as divided as before, except it’s now more entrenched and the possibility of compromise reduces every day.
Agreed but the main reason it’s divided as ever is because we haven’t left and the vote has not been honoured.
If we had of just reset after the referendum and left like we were told on a 9 million leaflet then the debate would of moved on and people would of moved on. We had a referendum as we had a result.
It’s the lack of leadership that’s caused this. Being so divided comes from westminster.
Surely we can all agree on how much of a twat Tony blair is, why can't he just piss off
In fairness though the government have tried their best to honour the result but the Brexiters have moved the goal posts to no deal.
If they don’t want what they campaigned for then that’s their issue. We would have left if ERG didn’t vote down Mays deal.
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But people like the ERG will say they haven't moved the goalposts. The referendum stated remain or leave, and leave meant no deal. Whether we later renegotiated a trade deal as a non-EU country is a different matter entirely. There was nothing in the referendum that stated we had to get a trade deal before leaving.
That is why we're in this mess - the option wasn't specific enough. It needed to be absolutely clear what Leave meant and that should've been set at no deal. No customs union, no freedom of movement, hard border etc.
It's why I still get annoyed at the phrase "this isn't the Brexit the people voted for". Everyone who voted leave did so with a different idea of what leave meant and phrases like "British values" are empty because again people have completely different ideas of what British values are.
However, I do love the irony that the main reason we're still in the EU is because those who most ardently want to leave it won't agree to something.
I was making the point that labours position is still to leave the EU. That’s just a fact. Lib dems are the stop brexit charade. So by voting for Labour you are still voting to leave the EU. Unless they said they want to revoke article 50 like the lib dems and I will apologize.
Take Labour out and it’s still 44% leave parties and 40% remain. But again I don’t always buy this as many remainers would of voted tories just as many leavers would of voted Labour in these elections. So to use Mart analysis of this was wrong not me. I agree with you actually that the only way to find out is to have a referendum with leave and remain on it.
Surely we can all agree on how much of a twat Tony blair is, why can't he just piss off
Tony Blair scoffs at chance of Brexit happening as he plots new ‘proper’ Remain campaign
Labour claim they have tried their best to get a negotiated deal according to their conference terms. It is no longer possible because of the Tory upcoming change of leadership and lack of time. They will not accept no deal and will call for a vote. GE first, but the Tories won’t allow that, so People’s Vote is the only option left. Barry Gardiner just explained the position. Hardly leave.
Don't hold your breath on that one G. The establishment has been fully mobilised to find a 'reasonable' means of ignoring the referendum result.
I think it will happen too...had we simply voted to stay in the first place we would be in a stronger future position imo. If we overturn (because however they dress it up - that is what it amounts to) it - we will be relatively cannon-fodder
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The ERG has blocked the only leave deal on the table, and all other leavers are now going for a no deal which was not going to happen according to leavers before the referendum. No deal is unacceptable to the majority in parliament and leaves a people’s vote to find out how the public sees no deal, May‘s deal or remain as the end of the Brexit story. You can start a conspiracy theory or join one if you wish, the doesn’t alter reality.
That’s the end of them - they have zero chance now if power
The ERG has blocked the only leave deal on the table, and all other leavers are now going for a no deal which was not going to happen according to leavers before the referendum. No deal is unacceptable to the majority in parliament and leaves a people’s vote to find out how the public sees no deal, May‘s deal or remain as the end of the Brexit story. You can start a conspiracy theory or join one if you wish, the doesn’t alter reality.
Who do you think does stand a chance of power? The Tories who caused this mess by calling the referendum? The leader and his no manifesto party, which has few members ( the 25£ a head gang are not members and have no rights), is a limited company with the leader himself as sole director and CEO who will issue a list of policies after receiving your votes? Or a libdem/ labour pact to restart the governance of the UK post Brexit fiasco?
Who do you think does stand a chance of power? The Tories who caused this mess by calling the referendum? The leader and his no manifesto party, which has few members ( the 25£ a head gang are not members and have no rights), is a limited company with the leader himself as sole director and CEO who will issue a list of policies after receiving your votes? Or a libdem/ labour pact to restart the governance of the UK post Brexit fiasco?
Explain to me how the second referendum gets through parliament
Explain to me how the second referendum gets through parliament
You really are clueless - even the lefts favourite friend Owen Jones admires it’s the end of the road for labour - why would he say that?
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