Ian1779
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And if my Dad had a fanny he’d be my Mum.
You can’t extrapolate up results for a party with only one policy.
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And if my Dad had a fanny he’d be my Mum.
You can’t extrapolate up results for a party with only one policy.
It will take big balls to revoke it and big balls to let us leave without a deal. Either option will end the leader who makes the choice and quite possibly their party.
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RegTheDonk
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Dare say some have gone to Libs because of their pro EU stance, likewise the Greens....
However, lets not forget that the Libs often do well as the main protest party. Last GE they campaigned for another vote...and lost heavily (felt a bit sorry for Clegg who by all accounts is a decent enough fellow).
Greens likewise have their own agendas. There have been MASSIVE protests lately about climate change etc. Presumably this means nothing, their good showing is all down to remainers jumping on the band waggon. Greens did well all over the EU, not just in the UK...were the EU Greens campaigning for us to remain the club?
No, if you look at the HEAD TO HEAD arguement about Brexit, its effectively them Vs Change....who got absolutely mauled and thats being kind to them. Whatever happens in the future, at least that hopefully will shut that dozy bint Sourbury up. Her and Chukky's MP free ride will be ending at the next GE.
Whatever will be will be, nothing is set in stone and anything can happen in the coming months. But anybody who says these results is some kind of proof that the tide has turned to remain is really clutching at straws. Remainers have had the momentum (and parliament) behind them for years, why have Change showed so poorly??? Where is the mass exodus from the Con and Lab voters to them .... its their ANGRY MPs who have jumped ship and said we're the people who will make sure there's a peoples/2nd vote??
Anyway, Villa won so its my turn to be angry
Wow you sound a bit miffed yourself mate.
Dare say some have gone to Libs because of their pro EU stance, likewise the Greens....
However, lets not forget that the Libs often do well as the main protest party. Last GE they campaigned for another vote...and lost heavily (felt a bit sorry for Clegg who by all accounts is a decent enough fellow).
Greens likewise have their own agendas. There have been MASSIVE protests lately about climate change etc. Presumably this means nothing, their good showing is all down to remainers jumping on the band waggon. Greens did well all over the EU, not just in the UK...were the EU Greens campaigning for us to remain the club?
No, if you look at the HEAD TO HEAD arguement about Brexit, its effectively them Vs Change....who got absolutely mauled and thats being kind to them. Whatever happens in the future, at least that hopefully will shut that dozy bint Sourbury up. Her and Chukky's MP free ride will be ending at the next GE.
Whatever will be will be, nothing is set in stone and anything can happen in the coming months. But anybody who says these results is some kind of proof that the tide has turned to remain is really clutching at straws. Remainers have had the momentum (and parliament) behind them for years, why have Change showed so poorly??? Where is the mass exodus from the Con and Lab voters to them .... its their ANGRY MPs who have jumped ship and said we're the people who will make sure there's a peoples/2nd vote??
Anyway, Villa won so its my turn to be angry
NorthernWisdom
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NorthernWisdom
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Which will hold them back as long as they still hold the ties to their great betrayal. The sooner he hurries up on his promise to stand aside, the better.
I am angry, but have voted FDP in Germany. Liberals. So my vote has gone to the liberal grouping in the EU. Yes, I am an angry remainer and like many have voted liberal. In my case in another EU country.
Just for you: „The real story from last night’s European Parliament election results is the huge surge in support for the strongly pro-People’s Vote parties. The Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP, Change UK and Plaid Cymru won 40% of the vote compared to 35% for the Brexit Party and UKIP.“
Half the country at least doesn’t want Brexit, otherwise BxP would have got more than 50%. As it happens, Farage increased his vote share by a couple of %age points and 5 seats in comparison to his party‘s share in 2014 ( he changed his party to get rid of internal opposition by creating a new one with a constitution that virtually rules out him being ousted ). The liberals increased their seats by 15. your Interpretation seems to be a bit out.
Ian1779
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Or alternatively they finished only 5% ahead of single policy parties, with 3 years of campaigning behind them.
None of them will address austerity, inequality or the general woes of society .... so it doesn’t count for shit sadly.
Lies, damn lies and statistics....
Grendel
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Few more seats for AFD?
Mucca Mad Boys
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But the European elections isn’t a general election and not that reflective of Westminster voting intention.
The Tories got punished for failing to deliver Brexit and Labour got punished for it’s ambiguous Brexit policy.
Pro-remain and no-deal Brexit won the day because their messages on Brexit were clear.
No. AfD are disappointed. Only got 10%. Greens are the winners. AfD blame the scandal with the FPÖ in Austria offering corrupt contracts to a Russian in exchange for the Russian buying a tabloid and campaigning for them. The Austrian right and extreme right government has ended in tears. Usual for the far right parties. Scandals and corruption followed by a falling out. Same for UKIP. AfD is also involved in donor scandals, and people in Germany see what their neighbours are up to. AfD are only strong in the East. They got hammered in the West.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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What's going on with Corbyn and Labour?
I saw an interview with him and he just looks as if he hasn't got a clue. Just happy to sit on the fence and try to luck their way into power when the Tories inevitably fuck up again.
I saw an interview with him and he just looks as if he hasn't got a clue. Just happy to sit on the fence and try to luck their way into power when the Tories inevitably fuck up again.
NorthernWisdom
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Bar the last general election, that's been his way since taking power!
Not committing one way or another to a Brexit decision will do for him. I find it very bizarre they got as many votes as they did in this election, given nobody has a clue what they actually stand for on Europe!
Now in a General Election it might improve, given domestic issues come into play, and (possibly!) a higher turnout. Really though, the lack of decisiveness nobbles his party time after time. Even if you don't like what McDonnell stands for, at least he offers up an opinion and tries to lead debate as to the way forward.
I loathe Farage, but he knows what he is doing. Calling his party Brexit says it all. The colour sky blue is fresh ( Jimmy Hill saw the advantage over the traditional darker blue as well ). The orchestration of his rallies, the personality cult, the booing and hissing at his opponents creating the pantomime atmosphere at his rallies, the amusing anecdotes and jokes at his opponents expense make his party rallies entertaining. His use of social media is well practiced and sophisticated so that he gets massive coverage for relatively little expense.
Even the house on the side logo forms an arrowhead points at the right box to Tick on the voting paper. Clever.
Having support of the MSM ( print media in the UK ) especially the Express, plus his LBC propaganda program helps his personal party as well.
The fact that his 25£ registered supporters think that they are members of a political party, but have no voting rights and have donated to a limited company is brilliant. He makes not having a manifesto into a plus point, which allows him to make things up as he goes along. Richard Tice says that in the next GE they won’t have a manifesto, but a list of policies as parties never keep to manifestos anyway.!!!!!
Keep it simple: Brexit.
Change UK did exactly the opposite and have crashed. Terrible logo. Negative colour. Inappropriate party name for keeping „remain“ as the status quo. 2 candidates had to resign in a record short time. Crap meetings.
Should have copied Farage and called themselves „Remain and Reform Party“, said that is their only policy for the EU elections and had an entertaining campaign taking the piss out of Farage and his Brexit friends in the style of the billboard campaign by „led by donkeys“.
Went from 7% to 11% ( went up at the final count ). Nothing like they predicted. The East is their area. They don’t like foreigners ( Muslims in particular) and the East has the least migrants and therefore the least Muslims. Hardly being overrun, but seem to play on people’s fears.
Sick Boy
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Blame successive UK governments for that!
Grendel
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No more seats?
Kingokings204
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Conveniently leaves out tories who got 9% and takes brexit parties to 44%. Add Labour also and you have actually nearer 60% to leave the EU. Tories and Labour both are on current manifestos of leave the EU and it’s CU and SM if I remembered 2017 general election correctly.
Listen the truth is no one in major numbers has changed their mind and the result would be roughly the same again if a referendum was held tomorrow. The problem is turnout would be no where near as high at 33m people and you have actually a lot of remainers accept the democratic result. This is why they are not pushing for remain and leave in a second referendum instead they are trying remain or Mays deal. Give no genuine leave option and remain will win.
They are not pushing for another referendum with the same question because „leave“ didn’t say what leave actually was. The problem would remain and the answer would be similar ( a couple of percent either way ). The option of a people’s Vote should be leave or remain, but this time round with the additional option, should leave win: whatever deal the government thinks is the right one and which has been accepted by the EU, versus no deal. Then we have clarified what leave is. No one can use the argument that people didn’t know what they are voting for.
Grendel
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There is no mechanism for this to happen - give up
Why not? It has been suggested before. You can’t claim will of the people when it wasn’t clear which end result people were voting for. May presented a leave agreement and it was rejected as not being leave. Although it was leave. If you are going to change the legal status of the UK by referendum, you have to make it clear to what legal status you are changing it to. No deal was never offered or wanted before the referendum. It came into being because no one could agree on anything and May had said no deal is better than a bad deal. Seeing as there were no good deals to be had, we have the worst case situation of no deal as leave. Pathetic. The people should at least have the final day as to whether this is what they voted for.
Kingokings204
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But that’s quite far fetched. Too many options. It won’t be allowed.
I heard another option was remain mays treaty or no deal but that’s just the old 3 card trick. Split the leave vote.
This is by the question was so simple. You have to remain or leave.
NorthernWisdom
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In which case Rees Mogg is the biggest remainer going
Why weren’t people in favour of May‘s leave deal then? It met the only criterium given = leaving the EU. Leave the EU is not enough to give a clear mandate. You have to know what leave is, otherwise you will always have this argumentation.
I meant 2 answers, leave v remain, with a subsequent option of the agreed deal or no deal. Still a 2 card trick, but with a second option should leave be the answer to the first question.
skybluetony176
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It’s just a second preference option, that’s all. Common in democracy.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So you're quite happily ignoring UKIP's performance, who themselves got absolutely mauled?
Mucca Mad Boys
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This is nonsense and a blatant distortion of the truth.
All of Labour’s European candidates were pro-Remain, something that was pointed out. So to lump on Labour’s 15% as to the ‘leave’ column is just wrong. For starts, I voted Labour last week and I’m a Remainer. The majority of Labour members are overwhelmingly pro-Remain and we don’t know how much of its traditional base voted Brexit Party last week.
The only way we’ll actually find out what the public truly thinks of Brexit is with any another referendum, not some nonsense guess work.
Brexit Party and UKIP got roughly the same amount of votes as Lib Dem, Greens and Change UK. PC and SNP not included because despite being overtly pro-Remain, have a significant % of Leave voters.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I mean there is. We could request another extension...
The Government can also unilaterally revoke Article 50 if it wanted to.
Grendel
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It won’t happen as it would take at least 10 months from an act of parliament passed to approve it and there is no desire to do it from the government party, the DUP and a third of labour MPs
Grendel
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Oh yes let’s see a conservative candidate go to its members with a policy of revoking article 50
dutchman
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They do or else they would have voted for remain parties instead of staying at home and not voting at all. (That's if you believe Britain is already in the process of leaving which I don't).
dutchman
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Why not? They were perfectly happy with their candidates voting for May's sell-out deal.
