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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (12 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,541
Evo1883 said:
This is utter nonsense
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If you look at the data you will see the Brexit party we’re getting more traction on social media than any of the others. Twitter tends to be more pro remain but post favouring leave outweigh remain on every other platform.


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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,542
djr8369 said:
I’m sorry but the maths don’t back up your point. On average immigrants pay more in compared to us. This is mainly because we have an ageing population and immigrants tend to be younger.

Cost of living and wage growth is a massive problem but the proponents of Brexit want to do deals with the Americans who will just make those issues worse.


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I’ve no real view on migration but your more paid in argument is dubious at best as it does not include the extra spend on infrastructure required to support population growth
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,543
Evo1883 said:
Lol, marine le pen changing a lifetime opinion in 12 weeks... My word who would have thought
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It’s always been her opinion. I’m afraid you’ve been paying too much attention to fake news claiming her position is pure anti EU. It’s reform she wants not exit. She hasn’t juxtaposed her position on either EU membership or seeing Ferage as an extremist.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,544
djr8369 said:
Yes. Several times UKIP councillors have managed to get a question from the audience and the QT social media team have shared the video of it. At one point it was happening every week.


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In 2018, the imbalance was worse. There were 131 Remainers and just 64 Leavers. Only one episode in 2018 featured a majority of Leavers on the panel. One episode featured no Leavers at all. The number of episodes with only one Leaver also increased compared to 2017.

Between 2017 and 2019, Question Time has featured 303 Remainers and 152 Leavers, a bias of almost exactly two to one
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,545
djr8369 said:
Yes. Several times UKIP councillors have managed to get a question from the audience and the QT social media team have shared the video of it. At one point it was happening every week.


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That’s anecdotal not factual

Please do better
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,546
Ashdown said:
Ultimately what has caused all this unrest across Europe is the transfer of millions of traditional manufacturing jobs to the Far East. This has left many areas feeling abandoned and a lot poorer, whereas successive governments have failed to re distribute wealth and new industries to compensate. These folk still have to cope with the high costs of UK/ European living but now with low paid warehouse and service jobs. Plus they have to compete with millions of foreigners for said low paid work. Result=Revolt. Giving money to the EU is seen as pointless.
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But why is the transfer of these millions of jobs the fault of the EU and immigration? They're moving for cheaper workers/production costs. By your own admission immigration brings down wages, so while taking some job you could argue they're helping keeping the manufacturing here by driving down costs and providing an economic argument to the companies to stay here. That will only get worse as Africa becomes more viable and being in or out of the EU won't make a blind bit of difference.

If anything leaving the EU and thus making European markets less accessible and potentially affecting revenues and profits is likely to increase the likelihood of these companies moving abroad

Also the failure of government to restribute wealth and new industries where they're needed - again why is the fault of the EU? It's our own government deciding to build the student and education sector and protect the financial sector in the SE while not replacing manufacturing jobs in the regions. The EU money in grant is distributed far more to those regions than UK government spending on infrastructure etc. There is potential for huge growth in green technology and energy to replace things like the old factories and coal mining areas. The UK government have ignored this advice and pushed ahead with things like nuclear and fracking.

And these are the people that will have a much great say in things when we leave the EU.
 
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The Lurker

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,547
djr8369 said:
I’m sorry but the maths don’t back up your point. On average immigrants pay more in compared to us. This is mainly because we have an ageing population and immigrants tend to be younger.

Cost of living and wage growth is a massive problem but the proponents of Brexit want to do deals with the Americans who will just make those issues worse.


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lol you seriously need to open your eyes. more people in the country = more pressure on public services. what can’t you grasp? immigrants pay more into the system then old people? The same old people who contributed all there life? Fuckin disrespectful comment that.

How? The American economy is booming at the minute. trump the best president they’ve had in decades
 

Evo1883

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,548
skybluetony176 said:
It’s always been her opinion. I’m afraid you’ve been paying too much attention to fake news claiming her position is pure anti EU. It’s reform she wants not exit. She hasn’t juxtaposed her position on either EU membership or seeing Ferage as an extremist.
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Lol absolute nonsense
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,549
Grendel said:
Nothing to do with an election where shed pretty much stated it was her vs Macron I assume?

What she said was she’d propose a series of reforms France needs to the EU - she didn’t say what her stance would be if she didn’t get her way - which she won’t
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So you agree that it wasn’t an anti EU victory then.
 
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The Lurker

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,550
Grendel said:
That’s anecdotal not factual

Please do better
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he doesn’t know what he’s talking about
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,551
Evo1883 said:
In 2018, the imbalance was worse. There were 131 Remainers and just 64 Leavers. Only one episode in 2018 featured a majority of Leavers on the panel. One episode featured no Leavers at all. The number of episodes with only one Leaver also increased compared to 2017.

Between 2017 and 2019, Question Time has featured 303 Remainers and 152 Leavers, a bias of almost exactly two to one
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Brilliant
 

Evo1883

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,552
Grendel said:
Brilliant
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Like I said, willfully ignorant
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,553
skybluetony176 said:
It’s always been her opinion. .
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Ok Tony

Interview with Marine Le Pen: ‘I Don’t Want this European Soviet Union’
 

Evo1883

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,554
Grendel said:
Ok Tony

Interview with Marine Le Pen: ‘I Don’t Want this European Soviet Union’
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No point, cherry picked a sentence on a C4 interview and ignored her actual lifetime political stance on the eu
 
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,555
Evo1883 said:
In 2018, the imbalance was worse. There were 131 Remainers and just 64 Leavers. Only one episode in 2018 featured a majority of Leavers on the panel. One episode featured no Leavers at all. The number of episodes with only one Leaver also increased compared to 2017.

Between 2017 and 2019, Question Time has featured 303 Remainers and 152 Leavers, a bias of almost exactly two to one
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Where did you get this from and how is it tallied up?

How does it relate to my point that UKIP councillors keep getting coverage from the audience?


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Ashdown

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,556
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But why is the transfer of these millions of jobs the fault of the EU and immigration? They're moving for cheaper workers/production costs. By your own admission immigration brings down wages, so while taking some job you could argue they're helping keeping the manufacturing here by driving down costs and providing an economic argument to the companies to stay here. That will only get worse as Africa becomes more viable and being in or out of the EU won't make a blind bit of difference.

If anything leaving the EU and thus making European markets less accessible and potentially affecting revenues and profits is likely to increase the likelihood of these companies moving abroad

Also the failure of government to restribute wealth and new industries where they're needed - again why is the fault of the EU? It's our own government deciding to build the student and education sector and protect the financial sector in the SE while not replacing manufacturing jobs in the regions. The EU money in grant is distributed far more to those regions than UK government spending on infrastructure etc. There is potential for huge growth in green technology and energy to replace things like the old factories and coal mining areas. The UK government have ignored this advice and pushed ahead with things like nuclear and fracking.

And these are the people that will have a much great say in things when we leave the EU.
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Well firstly there really should have been more protectionism against particularly the Chinese, they have stolen, copied and cheated their way to robbing a lot of people of decent employment.
I agree with most of your post though.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,557
Grendel said:
That’s anecdotal not factual

Please do better
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It’s a fact that several UKIP councillors have been in the audience and then been featured.


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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,558
djr8369 said:
Where did you get this from and how is it tallied up?

How does it relate to my point that UKIP councillors keep getting coverage from the audience?


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Can you provide s link to your allegation please?
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,559
djr8369 said:
It’s a fact that several UKIP councillors have been in the audience and then been featured.


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Evidence with links please
 

Evo1883

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,560
djr8369 said:
Where did you get this from and how is it tallied up?

How does it relate to my point that UKIP councillors keep getting coverage from the audience?


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I'm telling you that the media are pro remain, the sheer disparity between panel guests is a starting point.
The inability to report on positives on their main channels such as Britain's new frigate contract with Australia that could only be found on their website... These little things have been a continuous trend since 2016... Its so undeniable its crazy
 
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,561
Grendel said:
Can you provide s link to your allegation please?
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BBC investigates Ukip candidate’s third time in Question Time crowd




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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,562
Evo1883 said:
I'm telling you that the media are pro remain, the sheer disparity between panel guests is a starting point.
The inability to report on positives on their main channels such as Britain's new frigate contract with Australia that could only be found on their website... These little things have been a continuous trend since 2016... Its so undeniable its crazy
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I’d be interested to see the info on panel split, genuinely.

Of course there’s media on both sides but I don’t think there’s a remain bias. Plenty of the papers are adamant Brexit.


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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,563
The Lurker said:
lol you seriously need to open your eyes. more people in the country = more pressure on public services. what can’t you grasp? immigrants pay more into the system then old people? The same old people who contributed all there life? Fuckin disrespectful comment that.

How? The American economy is booming at the minute. trump the best president they’ve had in decades
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Trump is building an unsustainable boom designed to benefit the corporations and rich. It will implode and the average Joe will be absolutely fucked by it.

I understand your stance on immigrants and old people paying in over the long term. I think those figures where immigrants pay in more than the elderly (which is true at any given moment in time) needs to be altered to reflect the average contributions over theri lifetimes in the country.

But there is the point that while the elderly will most likely have paid in for a long time (there will be long-term benefit claimants etc in the elderly population as well), as elderly people they will now be taking it back out in terms of health and social care pensions etc.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,564
djr8369 said:
BBC investigates Ukip candidate’s third time in Question Time crowd




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You said several UKIP councillors frequently - you must have sent the wrong link?
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,565
Having an audience member ask a question is not even on the same wavelength as having Pro remain panel members at a rate of 2-1 being allowed to put a cross their opinion for 2 straight years... Is it

It's called bias
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,566
Evo1883 said:
No point, cherry picked a sentence on a C4 interview and ignored her actual lifetime political stance on the eu
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It’s hilarious Tony is a politicians gift - he hears a popular comment and lazily dribbles in the corner believing it without weighing up the evidence
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,567
dutchman said:
Depends how you measure it.

I'm sure there are are pro-EU posters here who would argue otherwise.
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Well I see the SNP again ignoring the considerable number of Scottish Brexit supporters and ignoring Farage's second place there. Their time will soon be up
 
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,568
Grendel said:
You said several UKIP councillors frequently - you must have sent the wrong link?
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Looks like it’s the same guy several times which is worse!

There’s this guy as well.

Chester Brexiteer on BBC Question Time hits back at 'UKIP activist' slurs




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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,569
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well I see the SNP again ignoring the considerable number of Scottish Brexit supporters and ignoring Farage's second place there. Their time will soon be up
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Let them go - leave is then a foregon conclusion
 
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,570
Evo1883 said:
Having an audience member ask a question is not even on the same wavelength as having Pro remain panel members at a rate of 2-1 being allowed to put a cross their opinion for 2 straight years... Is it

It's called bias
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Have you got these figures?


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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,571
djr8369 said:
Looks like it’s the same guy several times which is worse!

There’s this guy as well.

Chester Brexiteer on BBC Question Time hits back at 'UKIP activist' slurs




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Oh it’s two now. Is UKIP the only party where this has occurred do you think?
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,572
djr8369 said:
Have you got these figures?


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When has several over a sustained time equalled two in a couple of weeks?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,573
Grendel said:
It’s hilarious Tony is a politicians gift - he hears a popular comment and lazily dribbles in the corner believing it without weighing up the evidence
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Incredibly you are describing most Tory and Leave voters as shown by empirical polling and voting evidence. Convinced by posh accents and long words
 
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djr8369

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,574
Grendel said:
Oh it’s two now. Is UKIP the only party where this has occurred do you think?
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As far as I’m aware no other party has had a member in the audience, picked for a question each time, then had their question shared each time on social media.

Presumably every party has had representatives in the audience at some point.


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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2019
  • #36,575
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Incredibly you are describing most Tory and Leave voters as shown by empirical polling and voting evidence. Convinced by posh accents and long words
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No I don’t think so - If Nigel Farage in an interview said he’d now work to reform the EU from within I assume Tony would believe that
 
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