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The Council or SISU? (6 Viewers)

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  • Start date Feb 15, 2013
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #1
It's like asking if you would prefer to be shot or stabbed.

Daily we seem to be offered a reason as to why we should dislike and blame one more than the other. Totally fed up with lies and deception on both sides.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #2
Exactly. A rock and a hard place.

Some people think on here that if you are anti Sisu you are pro council. It's not quite that simple.

People like me don't trust any of them.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #3
Neither...its CCFC for me
 

philmcc

Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #4
rob9872 said:
It's like asking if you would prefer to be shot or stabbed.

You can shoot or stab me...I give up
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #5
Moff said:
Neither...its CCFC for me
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Spot on Moff, doesn't matter who the owners are or the level of dislike for them to me CCFC always come ahead of the council.

You compare our council with the local council here in Portmouth. They are lining up a loan of around £3m to allow Pompey to buy Fratton Park, they've justified it with the claim that having a football club brings tens of millions into the local economy each year. The council need to realise that if they let this reach the conclusion it seems to be heading for, forcing SISU out and folding the club, it's not just SISU that will suffer. In fact it's likely SISU will just gloss over it and move over while fans and local companies that rely on CCFC will be left devastated.
 
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withers

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #6
SISU are the enemy - there using the club and its fans to basically steal money
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #7
I wish there was money to steal.
 

SBS

Active Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #8
I reckon 75% of my posts on this forum have been about this shit. I can't wait for the day that everyone on here is discussing dodgy pens, offsides and tactics. I don't feel like a football fan anymore, just someone amongst others who's being forgotten about in this whole mess. SISU, the council, Richardson and Robinson are all to blame. I can't even be arsed to "choose sides", I'd rather it was sorted today - its gone on far too long and so I know I'm not throwing money at a lost cause. As a season ticket holder, this is the first time I've had serious doubts about renewing. Not because of the football, more the worry of not knowing if I'll see anything in return.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #9
You know what there really shouldnt need to be a choice............... there is and always was a deal to be done if it was only about providing a financially viable CCFC with a fairly priced stadium to play in ......... greed ego and love of money has has got in the way and brought us to todays actions.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #10
withers said:
SISU are the enemy - there using the club and its fans to basically steal money
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What money do you believe they are stealing from the masses of income the club rakes in? Who is paying the player's wages (one of the highest wage budgets in the league), who is paying the bills and the running costs of the club?

Where is the money coming from that you claim is being stolen?
 
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shropshirecov

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #11
Why would anyone be backing ACL/council over the club?
 

Diehard Si

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #12
ACL is the alcoholic mother, SISU the violent abusive father.

We are the kids.

Divorce is on the cards.
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #13
I would reply with how can anyone be backing SISU when they do not care about our club?
 

Bill Glazier

Active Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #14
shropshirecov said:
Why would anyone be backing ACL/council over the club?
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Because ACL has bent over backwards to offer Sisu a better deal. Without ACL stepping in years ago the club wouldn't have a ground at all. Do you remember Jimmy Hill begging the council to step in when it was clear the club couldn't afford the new ground it had decided it must have.
Talk about ingratitude .
 
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withers

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #15
Sick Boy said:
What money do you believe they are stealing from the masses of income the club rakes in? Who is paying the player's wages (one of the highest wage budgets in the league), who is paying the bills and the running costs of the club?

Where is the money coming from that you claim is being stolen?
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Well SISU clearly aren't paying their bills...
If it were any other area of business, SISU would stand a chance - they'd have to pay up or go bust, simple as...

But because it's football and they can play on the heart strings of fans. They can also play on the Council's accountability to residents/voters/fans. So they can take the piss
 
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shropshirecov

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #16
So that's the crux of it. You're basically backing the council to kill off the club because you hate sisu that much.

I Couldn't care less about sisu it's my football club I care about.

Doncaster 10k rent, hull 10k rent, Coventry- hundreds of thousands rent. That okay by you?
 
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withers

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #17
Also, while on the 'if this was any other area of business' tack, we would clearly have all switched 'brands' a long time ago and SISU would be dead. It's why so much dodgy money comes into football
 
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withers

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #18
shropshirecov said:
Doncaster 10k rent, hull 10k rent, Coventry- hundreds of thousands rent. That okay by you?
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So by your logic when QPR go down, they will be able to say to all their players "forget all those contracts we signed with you last season, you're all now Championship players and this is the going rate"
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #19
The party who have given all in negotiations or the side who haven't budged an inch?

I will go with the side who have been reasonable.
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #20
It's SISU that's killing the club
They agreed to rent, they signed the agreement.
Now because they have found out more they want to pay nothing.
ACL have backed down and made a much better offer and SISU still say no.
Why don't the council and ACL just give the stadium to a bunch of greedy gits who do not give one hoot about football?
 

mattylad

Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #21
It’s an extraordinary state of affairs but there is a new end game in sight for ACL. They now realise the only way they can continue to fleece an over exuberant rate of rent out of CCFC is to get rid of the current Coventry board that is standing up to them and refusing to be ripped off.

ACL believe that this course of action will strangle the club into administration and so force new ownership into place which they can exploit to carry on paying an over the top value. If it leads to the club going into extension and having to start again at the bottom of the pyramid then they will simply blame it all on SISU.

Don’t believe me well they are trying to charge CCFC 24m to take over all the revenue streams associated to match day takings despite the fact they won’t let them see how much those takings generate.

As for the “broken agreement” this was nothing more than an acceptance of understanding by the CCFC board of the points being put in place and if anything ACL have broke the agreement by not sending to CCFC the details on the revenue streams requested.

As anyone who has done any negotiations will know, you might often sit in a meeting and nod alog to the points being made while inside thinking they must be joking!
 
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shropshirecov

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #22
Can't stand sisu, just don't happen to think the council should be trying to liquidate our club.

Some clowns won't be happy till the club has gone under.
 
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shropshirecov

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #23
mattylad said:
It’s an extraordinary state of affairs but there is a new end game in sight for ACL. They now realise the only way they can continue to fleece an over exuberant rate of rent out of CCFC is to get rid of the current Coventry board that is standing up to them and refusing to be ripped off.

ACL believe that this course of action will strangle the club into administration and so force new ownership into place which they can exploit to carry on paying an over the top value. If it leads to the club going into extension and having to start again at the bottom of the pyramid then they will simply blame it all on SISU.

Don’t believe me well they are trying to charge CCFC 24m to take over all the revenue streams associated to match day takings despite the fact they won’t let them see how much those takings generate.

As for the “broken agreement” this was nothing more than an acceptance of understanding by the CCFC board of the points being put in place and if anything ACL have broke the agreement by not sending to CCFC the details on the revenue streams requested.

As anyone who has done any negotiations will know, you might often sit in a meeting and nod alog to the points being made while inside thinking they must be joking!
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There's people on here think the rent is fine!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #24
I would like clarification of that 24m for the matchday catering. My understanding is that the "rent" is in two parts........ the lease £1.1m and the licence approx £200k ....... given that the value of each would be subject to a discount over 40 years period I am not sure that there is not some crossed wires in what is being said. The total payment on the licence part is £8m over 40 years and on the rent £44m. I just wonder if the £24m is the discounted value of the lease and licence settlement to walk away from the Ricoh. A settlement is very common on early termination of leases. £24m for the catering on matchdays does not make much sense to me, certainly not going to get wound up over it though when the only person who has mentioned it is a journalist who displayed some errors in his financial knowledge when interviewed
 

mattylad

Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #25
My belief is the £24M represents all other football related revenue sreams not currently taken by the club and not just the catering however as Fisher has pointed out the documentation explaining what these are has not been forthcoming from ACL who instead have decided to follow this more agrresive strategy of attempting to remove the CCFC board.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #26
it isnt the board they want to remove it is the owners. But I guess it is another of those things that is at the moment open to interpretation
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #27
shropshirecov said:
So that's the crux of it. You're basically backing the council to kill off the club because you hate sisu that much.

I Couldn't care less about sisu it's my football club I care about.

Doncaster 10k rent, hull 10k rent, Coventry- hundreds of thousands rent. That okay by you?
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Doncaster's "10k rent"? Fourth post down: http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/24428-Thanks-Doncaster/page4
 
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6 Generations

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #28
shropshirecov said:
There's people on here think the rent is fine!
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The rent is fine! SISU don't f***** pay any and haven't for months.
 
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Stafford_SkBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #29
I have supported SISU on most things. But they want the rent to be similar to Doncaster about £100k, where there stadium is owned wholly by their local council. The Ricoh and Keepmoat are not similar, it's like someone living in a large detached house saying he should pay the same rent as the guy in a terrace house elsewhere.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #30
chiefdave said:
Spot on Moff, doesn't matter who the owners are or the level of dislike for them to me CCFC always come ahead of the council.

You compare our council with the local council here in Portmouth. They are lining up a loan of around £3m to allow Pompey to buy Fratton Park, they've justified it with the claim that having a football club brings tens of millions into the local economy each year. The council need to realise that if they let this reach the conclusion it seems to be heading for, forcing SISU out and folding the club, it's not just SISU that will suffer. In fact it's likely SISU will just gloss over it and move over while fans and local companies that rely on CCFC will be left devastated.
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And we would have been homeless a lot sooner if it wasn't for them-initially for bailing out the stadium construction, also recently if we had a private landlord we'd have been out on our ear for not paying debts all the sooner.

To the OP, neither-but in this shoot-out it's a no-brainer, I'd back the Council. They've shown flexibility and patience, SISU have shown none whatsoever. By their stubborn refusal to do a deal-or even sign off on deals that they had previously agreed to!-they are the ones that are imperilling the club's future. I'm amazed that more people can't understand this! The refusal to pay any rent-even the token amount that they consider "reasonable"-indicts them completely.
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #31
This thread is right
We all our own views and thoughts and think we know all the facts but in simple terms e are either SISU or ACL/Council.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #32
Steve.B50 said:
This thread is right
We all our own views and thoughts and think we know all the facts but in simple terms e are either SISU or ACL/Council.
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People may well lean to one side or the other, but surely none us truly trust either party do we?
 

oakey

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #33
Hedge fund v the people of Coventry (if I have to spell that out: the council are elected by and accountable to the people of Coventry and subject to strict controls, audits and duties of care)

It really is that simple, but this thread explains to me why so many working people are capitalists. Clueless buffoons.
SISU are all we've got but I think we might be better off going out of existence and starting again than being dragged through the gutter by the thoroughly rabid owners.
 

the rumpo kid

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #34
someone said earlier in the thread that ACL are trying to liquidate ccfc. i dont tink so. but they are trying to force sisu out, sisu for thier part want to steal the ricoh and surrounding land, by not paying rent they tryed to force ACL into administration, but with sisu as sitting tenant at the ricoh no other parties would be interested in buying , so they buy for next to nothing. now after the council bail out, ACL mean to make life very difficult for sisu. i think sisu should sell up and move on or try to buy the whole stadium land ect for a slighly dicounted price with a clause that says if sold on it must be as a package (ccfc ricoh land) and not split up. then maybe sisu could make there profit and fuck off.
 
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shropshirecov

New Member
  • Feb 15, 2013
  • #35
oakey said:
Hedge fund v the people of Coventry (if I have to spell that out: the council are elected by and accountable to the people of Coventry and subject to strict controls, audits and duties of care)

It really is that simple, but this thread explains to me why so many working people are capitalists. Clueless buffoons.
SISU are all we've got but I think we might be better off going out of existence and starting again than being dragged through the gutter by the thoroughly rabid owners.
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Socialist by any chance?
 
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