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WhaleOilBeefHooked

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  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #316
james raffell said:
I’ve tried to reply and get a bit of my side across on Facebook but it’s impossible as does become a witch hunt.
I know what the email says but in one transaction to them alone I did send more than that, I messed up massively on this and was hoping it would be a different way to travel, I would never purposely rip off City fans, as I’ve said on Facebook, if I was to do that then I’d charge more for coaches I do week in week out, or even charge more for badges etc.
I’m currently sorting out refunds and then I’ll go about clearing my name on Facebook, this is a mistake. I know people say I’m a fraud for what I’ve done, on the day I said to the staff I’ll put my card behind the bar to sort a tab out, that would have left me massively out of pocket (so that’s not the best fraudster in the world), I’ve made mistakes in the past and done my time for that.
I’m sorry to everyone who travelled and am trying to get this rectified ASAP.
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Come on mate. Words are empty. You need to share something ASAP.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #317
james raffell said:
I’ve tried to reply and get a bit of my side across on Facebook but it’s impossible as does become a witch hunt.
I know what the email says but in one transaction to them alone I did send more than that, I messed up massively on this and was hoping it would be a different way to travel, I would never purposely rip off City fans, as I’ve said on Facebook, if I was to do that then I’d charge more for coaches I do week in week out, or even charge more for badges etc.
I’m currently sorting out refunds and then I’ll go about clearing my name on Facebook, this is a mistake. I know people say I’m a fraud for what I’ve done, on the day I said to the staff I’ll put my card behind the bar to sort a tab out, that would have left me massively out of pocket (so that’s not the best fraudster in the world), I’ve made mistakes in the past and done my time for that.
I’m sorry to everyone who travelled and am trying to get this rectified ASAP.
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Can you put screenshots up again, James. This seems the most logical way to curtail all the anger.

Ringing people is good, but some still won't believe you without seeing it all in black and white.

The seems to be a differential between what you're saying and what the boat organisers are saying.

Are you disputing the organisers supposed screenshots that have been put up on here? Do you accept those are genuine?

Not trying to be accusatory, just trying to get a handle on things, because people can see a differential and hence the anger.
 

WhaleOilBeefHooked

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #318
james raffell said:
I would never purposely rip off City fans, as I’ve said on Facebook, if I was to do that then I’d charge more for coaches I do week in week out, or even charge more for badges etc.
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You also need to move away from this line (along with the 'shit' car and part of cov). In fact, it's probably doing you more damage than good - fraudsters are known for gaining confidence and getting people invested and then going big (for example: boat, European trips etc).

You seriously need to share something to get your side of the story across, as someone has provided evidence and all you're providing is words.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #319
This is a bit like one of them Logic puzzles:

So Wingy is not the father of Tom or James, but his grandson is the one some idiots threatening. James is no longer with the mother, Jess4ccfc4life! who is only learning about all this now. Wingy therefore must be the father of Jesss4ccfc4life! - where do I claim my prize?

Either that or we need to get all this on Jeremy Kyle
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #320
james raffell said:
I’ve tried to reply and get a bit of my side across on Facebook but it’s impossible as does become a witch hunt.
I know what the email says but in one transaction to them alone I did send more than that, I messed up massively on this and was hoping it would be a different way to travel, I would never purposely rip off City fans, as I’ve said on Facebook, if I was to do that then I’d charge more for coaches I do week in week out, or even charge more for badges etc.
I’m currently sorting out refunds and then I’ll go about clearing my name on Facebook, this is a mistake. I know people say I’m a fraud for what I’ve done, on the day I said to the staff I’ll put my card behind the bar to sort a tab out, that would have left me massively out of pocket (so that’s not the best fraudster in the world), I’ve made mistakes in the past and done my time for that.
I’m sorry to everyone who travelled and am trying to get this rectified ASAP.
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Surely at the minute it's what they have told somebody via email against your word.

Isn't it just a case of you doing a print screen of all the transactions to them and the booking confirmation which would have a breakdown of what was booked and then people will direct their anger their way?
 
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jess4ccfc4life!

Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #321
rob9872 said:
This is a bit like one of them Logic puzzles:

So Wingy is not the father of Tom or James, but his grandson is the one some idiots threatening. James is no longer with the mother, Jess4ccfc4life! who is only learning about all this now. Wingy therefore must be the father of Jesss4ccfc4life! - where do I claim my prize?

Either that or we need to get all this on Jeremy Kyle
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Humour is always good. No need for JK though. Just some honesty from James.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #322
rob9872 said:
This is a bit like one of them Logic puzzles:

So Wingy is not the father of Tom or James, but his grandson is the one some idiots threatening. James is no longer with the mother, Jess4ccfc4life! who is only learning about all this now. Wingy therefore must be the father of Jesss4ccfc4life! - where do I claim my prize?

Either that or we need to get all this on Jeremy Kyle
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Haha
"Holmes".
"Yes Watson".
 
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The Lurker

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #323
skybluegod said:
So what if he’s got previous. Everyone deserves a second chance.

You can’t keep bringing up the past. He served his time for that.

To me it looks like genuine mistake.

You are making wild accusations without hearing both sides. You don’t know what he pocketed. I don’t see how he could have pocketed £7000 when it’s been said he was going around all the bars putting £200 on all of them. So to now also be refunding £20 to all people, doesn’t exactly sound like the best fraudster ever does it.
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wild accusations? email doing the rounds of the company showing how much money was charged. with £2200 in total that means £7000 unanswered for which is a lot of money. all james needs to show is the breakdown of payments. then refund for the remaining split evenly. not hard is it?
 
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Tom19866

Active Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #324
The Lurker said:
wild accusations? email doing the rounds of the company showing how much money was charged. with £2200 in total that means £7000 unanswered for which is a lot of money. all james needs to show is the breakdown of payments. then refund for the remaining split evenly. not hard is it?
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #325
You can easily edit a pdf. Jeremy Kyle is the most sensible option.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #326
Otis said:
Bring Back Rattles has been in prison, so obviously a criminal.

Maybe everyone should refuse to have their windows cleaned by him.

Is that fair, eh?
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From his posts he spends a lot of his time behind bars :jawdrop:
 
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Tom19866

Active Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #327
Liquid Gold said:
You can easily edit a pdf. Jeremy Kyle is the most sensible option.
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It's not a paternity test!
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #328
Tom19866 said:
It's not a paternity test!
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Maybe it should be, how does Wingy know?!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #329
4K would have been 144 people to have a drinks package on it's own.

They are saying it was just £2350 just for the boat hire.
 

skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #330
The Lurker said:
wild accusations? email doing the rounds of the company showing how much money was charged. with £2200 in total that means £7000 unanswered for which is a lot of money. all james needs to show is the breakdown of payments. then refund for the remaining split evenly. not hard is it?
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That's my point, that's an email of an unsubstantiated source? The source had no reason to lie, but neither does James, it was obvious he would get caught out.
You are making claims that have no foundation other than a couple emails without the other side of the story.

Innocent until proven guilty.
 
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james raffell

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #331
as I’ve said to nick in a message, I’m not for one second accusing the boat of lying in this, I’ve had issues in the past with large amounts of money go out my account it sometimes gets ‘held’, that’s part of the problem with my past as it is seen as suspicious activity. It’s something I’m trying to sort away from the witch hunt that this has become.
And I know some people say they can be edited, unless my mate does the front cover of TnS, then I either use an internet image or stick men (I’m that bad when it comes to computers)
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #332
rob9872 said:
This is a bit like one of them Logic puzzles:

So Wingy is not the father of Tom or James, but his grandson is the one some idiots threatening. James is no longer with the mother, Jess4ccfc4life! who is only learning about all this now. Wingy therefore must be the father of Jesss4ccfc4life! - where do I claim my prize?

Either that or we need to get all this on Jeremy Kyle
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We can conclude it's all wingy's fault
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #333
james raffell said:
as I’ve said to nick in a message, I’m not for one second accusing the boat of lying in this, I’ve had issues in the past with large amounts of money go out my account it sometimes gets ‘held’, that’s part of the problem with my past as it is seen as suspicious activity. It’s something I’m trying to sort away from the witch hunt that this has become.
And I know some people say they can be edited, unless my mate does the front cover of TnS, then I either use an internet image or stick men (I’m that bad when it comes to computers)
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It's probably going to be easier to give the Boat Company a call. It would be strange if they only received part of it and part was held unless you made a separate one.

If they are claiming they didn't get that payment it's between you, your bank, them and their bank to find out where that has gone.
 
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james raffell

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #334
I sent 5 different ones throughout the month. That one though is the one which is above what was said originally.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #335
james raffell said:
I sent 5 different ones throughout the month. That one though is the one which is above what was said originally.
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Was there one for £2350?

Probably easier to just show them all surely while you have your bank screenshotting?

Give the boat company a ring, list all your payments and they can check their account. Simplest way.

It seems like people (normal people anyway) just want to figure out what went wrong so they know who to blame.
 
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Tom19866

Active Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #336
james raffell said:
I sent 5 different ones throughout the month. That one though is the one which is above what was said originally.
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Please don't try anything like this again kid!
 
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WhaleOilBeefHooked

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  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #337

You need to attach the full statement, with key details crossed out, mainly: creditors/debitors details removed, account details etc.

The first thing people are going to bring up is that the space between the zeros is inconsistent:

 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #338
The Lurker said:
wild accusations? email doing the rounds of the company showing how much money was charged. with £2200 in total that means £7000 unanswered for which is a lot of money. all james needs to show is the breakdown of payments. then refund for the remaining split evenly. not hard is it?
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What if James collected money based on the free bar and buffet thinking that is what was booked and was then i voiced for less later, he would then have money left over which he would then have to refund to people, which he has said he is trying to sort out, but he would not necessarily have documentary proof that he was charged more as what he tbought he booked was incorrect. Just thinking out loud here
 
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skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #339
Nick said:
Was there one for £2350?

Probably easier to just show them all surely while you have your bank screenshotting?

Give the boat company a ring, list all your payments and they can check their account. Simplest way.

It seems like people (normal people anyway) just want to figure out what went wrong so they know who to blame.
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I don't think there needs to be anyone to blame. A party went wrong.

If the company is claiming that it was only 2000 odd, then as you say James needs to sort this with them. Get whatever is over that amount back from the bank/company and simply reimburse people to that amount. This takes time. But doesn't need to be a big thing. The boat has claimed it only cost 2000, so anything over that amount they surely have reimburse as an over-payment .
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #340
Johnnythespider said:
What if James collected money based on the free bar and buffet thinking that is what was booked and was then i voiced for less later, he would then have money left over which he would then have to refund to people, which he has said he is trying to sort out, but he would not necessarily have documentary proof that he was charged more as what he tbought he booked was incorrect. Just thinking out loud here
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That's why I mentioned the Booking Confirmation they would have sent to say what was booked, when for etc.

For the amount of money involved, that sort of thing would be pretty standard.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #341
skybluegod said:
I don't think there needs to be anyone to blame. A party went wrong.

If the company is claiming that it was only 2000 odd, then as you say James needs to sort this with them. Get whatever is over that amount back from the bank/company and simply reimburse people to that amount. This takes time. But doesn't need to be a big thing. The boat has claimed it only cost 2000, so anything over that amount they surely have reimburse as an over-payment .
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The thing is, they haven't mentioned anything about that payment in the screenshot.

They have said they had a payment of £2350 which was slightly over so they put it behind the bar.

People need to have a reality check about threatening kids. There are ways to get things sorted and that isn't one. That's not saying "forget about it", just sort it the proper way.
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #342
dazed&confused said:
Ok, we'll just have to agree to differ on this.
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That's fair enough d&c, it's certainly the grown-up approach. Fwiw though this is related to what I do for a living and I think I've got a reasonable handle on it.

Regardless, the bigger issue is the bloke being hounded and threatened on hearsay and what-ifs. Like you, I'm not comfortable with that.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #343
Nick said:
The thing is, they haven't mentioned anything about that payment in the screenshot.

They have said they had a payment of £2350 which was slightly over so they put it behind the bar.

People need to have a reality check about threatening kids. There are ways to get things sorted and that isn't one. That's not saying "forget about it", just sort it the proper way.
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Welcome to Road Rage Britain!

Thump now, ask questions later.
 
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Tom19866

Active Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #344
WhaleOilBeefHooked said:
You need to attach the full statement, with key details crossed out, mainly: creditors/debitors details removed, account details etc.

The first thing people are going to bring up is that the space between the zeros is inconsistent:

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jess4ccfc4life!

Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #345
don't let yourself be dragged into this if it does turn to be not genuine - how does the account go from 0.33 balance to -27.67 if a payment of £4000? if that comes after and makes it a credit it would still be .67 at end not .33 it really don't add up
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #346

thats not really showing anything is it?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #347
Liquid Gold said:
Maybe it should be, how does Wingy know?!
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Kind of get the feeling that this is one of Wingy's clan.

 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #348
He aint doing himself any favour. Newest one is doctoring
jess4ccfc4life! said:
Humour is always good. No need for JK though. Just some honesty from James.
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are you turning on your fella?
 
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Tom19866

Active Member
  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #349
jess4ccfc4life! said:
don't let yourself be dragged into this if it does turn to be not genuine - how does the account go from 0.33 balance to -27.67 if a payment of £4000? if that comes after and makes it a credit it would still be .67 at end not .33 it really don't add up
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I'm just trying to defend my brother, he just tried to sort a day out and it's gone wrong. He's trying to rectify it and it's hard to watch a family member be subjected to that kind of abuse.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 18, 2018
  • #350
jess4ccfc4life! said:
don't let yourself be dragged into this if it does turn to be not genuine - how does the account go from 0.33 balance to -27.67 if a payment of £4000? if that comes after and makes it a credit it would still be .67 at end not .33 it really don't add up
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