Sky_Blue_Dreamer
Well-Known Member
Well it's not.
You tell people they sit in the seats they're allocated and if they're found to be sitting elsewhere they're barred from getting tickets to a future away game.
Well it's not.I always sit in my space but ultimately there are large groups of people who buy their ticket separately and want to sit together.
It's hard to solve the problem when you have a points system and mates on different points.
What problem? If you want to sit with your friends, buy your tickets together.I always sit in my space but ultimately there are large groups of people who buy their ticket separately and want to sit together.
It's hard to solve the problem when you have a points system and mates on different points.
Well it's not.
You tell people they sit in the seats they're allocated and if they're found to be sitting elsewhere they're barred from getting tickets to a future away game.
What problem? If you want to sit with your friends, buy your tickets together.
If a stadium is going to insist on people sitting where their tickets are allocated then it gets tricky. If it’s enforced to the letter of the law then clearly you can’t have a system where tickets are allocated according to points AND a system where anyone can sit where they like. If you really want to sit with your friends in that scenario then you’ll just have to wait until you can all buy tickets.Because of the points system.
Fair enoughNo, it was down to poor organisation.
After being kettled on the stairs for ten minutes (we missed kick off) we were told to use another set of stairs that didn't lead to our block.
The only free space we could see was a row that had netting on the seats so we, and others stood there.
During the first half we had shown stewards our tickets and were told at HT to go to our seats, we made our way across, a mission in itself, and when we got to our row we had group of stewards trying to turn us away and send us back to where we'd came from
And none of this moving about was easy as everywhere was packed, particularly the aisles. They'd totally lost control.
It's hard to solve the problem when you have a points system and mates on different points.
Not saying they were at fault on Saturday, but there is apparently an insane amount of entitlement from some away fans on this.Errrm no. You’ve bought a ticket for a seat and should be respectful and sit in the seat you’ve purchased so you don’t inconvenience others.
On your logic I should expect to give up my season ticket seat as someone might have bought a ticket not near their friend.
I distinctly remember this being a real mess in the League 2 season (people ignoring their seat allocation), but assumed as we went up the leagues stuff like half arsed stewarding, especially at a club that was in the top flight last season, would be left behind.There's a few different issues here and they're becoming conflated.
Saturday had nothing to do with fans sitting in the wrong seats. It was more than over zealous handling and the culprits here were the stewards.
That said, on other match days, I'm not sure what the best answer is. We always try and arrive early enough to grab our own actual seats and sit together, but I do sympathise with groups who can't buy together wanting to sit together, however they often don't only want to be together which they could often easily achieve on the outer edges, but they want to be together in the congested middle with the best view and disregard for anyone else. That I do take exception to.
What should happen is that all away ends are unreserved seats, then there is no argument, it's simply first come first serve and fair for everyone, but until we get that, then sit where you're allocated.
At least when it is unreserved and the steward wants you to move, you can ask - ok show me where is free and I'll go there. It did seem on Saturday like it was oversold, but I'm sure that won't be the case due to H&S if anything bad had happened, I don't think the club would risk it.
Can you summarise so I can email Nicola and Paul pleaseThere's a few different issues here and they're becoming conflated.
Saturday had nothing to do with fans sitting in the wrong seats. It was more than over zealous handling and the culprits here were the stewards.
That said, on other match days, I'm not sure what the best answer is. We always try and arrive early enough to grab our own actual seats and sit together, but I do sympathise with groups who can't buy together wanting to sit together, however they often don't only want to be together which they could often easily achieve on the outer edges, but they want to be together in the congested middle with the best view and disregard for anyone else. That I do take exception to.
What should happen is that all away ends are unreserved seats, then there is no argument, it's simply first come first serve and fair for everyone, but until we get that, then sit where you're allocated.
At least when it is unreserved and the steward wants you to move, you can ask - ok show me where is free and I'll go there. It did seem on Saturday like it was oversold, but I'm sure that won't be the case due to H&S if anything bad had happened, I don't think the club would risk it.
Errrm no. You’ve bought a ticket for a seat and should be respectful and sit in the seat you’ve purchased so you don’t inconvenience others.
On your logic I should expect to give up my season ticket seat as someone might have bought a ticket not near their friend.
But, But there's people on SBT who seem to be blaming cov fans.
I'm not defending it and I always sit in my seat.
However, a huge part of the issue does come from people wanting to sit together but lots of people are at different point levels.
If you've got groups of 10 young lads going together, they are likely to have different amounts of points and/or buy their tickets separately. Again, not defending it, but they are clearly all wanting to sit together.
Having away ends with unreserved seating also wouldn't work because your still get congestion in areas towards the back where everyone wants to sit.
Some clubs do seat maps for their away allocations so you can choose where you sit. Might help a bit. There is an issue with fans not sitting in their allocated seat, that's for certain. Saturday was different, I always head to my seat, always, but I couldn't even get to it, they blocked access. Then had to put up with city fans chirping that I should be in my own seat and not in the gangway, and steward telling me to go to my seat when it was impossible to access even later in the game. Was a complete shitfest.
Well then they have a choice.I'm not defending it and I always sit in my seat.
However, a huge part of the issue does come from people wanting to sit together but lots of people are at different point levels.
If you've got groups of 10 young lads going together, they are likely to have different amounts of points and/or buy their tickets separately. Again, not defending it, but they are clearly all wanting to sit together.
Having away ends with unreserved seating also wouldn't work because your still get congestion in areas towards the back where everyone wants to sit.
Unreserved seating IMO would arguably make it worse. You'd have those young lads all wanting to be at the back behind the goal and creating a huge crush (and likely aggro) up there as they all try and cram in. It creates a potentially dangerous situation and is the reason why everyone having to have a designated seat came in after Hillsborough.There's a few different issues here and they're becoming conflated.
Saturday had nothing to do with fans sitting in the wrong seats. It was more than over zealous handling and the culprits here were the stewards.
That said, on other match days, I'm not sure what the best answer is. We always try and arrive early enough to grab our own actual seats and sit together, but I do sympathise with groups who can't buy together wanting to sit together, however they often don't only want to be together which they could often easily achieve on the outer edges, but they want to be together in the congested middle with the best view and disregard for anyone else. That I do take exception to.
What should happen is that all away ends are unreserved seats, then there is no argument, it's simply first come first serve and fair for everyone, but until we get that, then sit where you're allocated.
At least when it is unreserved and the steward wants you to move, you can ask - ok show me where is free and I'll go there. It did seem on Saturday like it was oversold, but I'm sure that won't be the case due to H&S if anything bad had happened, I don't think the club would risk it.
How about having the option of selecting seats rather than have them randomly allocatedIf a stadium is going to insist on people sitting where their tickets are allocated then it gets tricky. If it’s enforced to the letter of the law then clearly you can’t have a system where tickets are allocated according to points AND a system where anyone can sit where they like. If you really want to sit with your friends in that scenario then you’ll just have to wait until you can all buy tickets.
You tend to find with this that far too many people don't do so considerately and it ends up being inefficient. They leave individual seats next to them etc.How about having the option of selecting seats rather than have them randomly allocated
Well then they have a choice.
Either buy their ticket by themselves and accept they aren't likely to be near their friends, or wait until their friends are able to buy tickets and buy them together and risk not getting a ticket.
Instead they act like entitled pricks who want their cake and eat it.
And to be perfectly honest, it'd probably be better if they aren't altogether because young lads together have a tendency to act like twats trying to show off to each other.
It was our fansBut, But there's people on SBT who seem to be blaming cov fans.
It was our fans
For someone who is advocating peace and only taking written responses on an internet forum, you seem pretty aggressive.Here we go. People couldn’t get to their seats because our fans had already taken them.
I know because I was one who couldn’t get up the staircase as well.
And while we are at it, who the f*** we blaming for throwing bottles at our fans?
Here we go. People couldn’t get to their seats because our fans had already taken them.
I know because I was one who couldn’t get up the staircase as well.
And while we are at it, who the f*** we blaming for throwing bottles at our fans?
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