Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well it's not.
You tell people they sit in the seats they're allocated and if they're found to be sitting elsewhere they're barred from getting tickets to a future away game.
That shit show away end at Ipswich needs sorting (4 Viewers)
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You tell people they sit in the seats they're allocated and if they're found to be sitting elsewhere they're barred from getting tickets to a future away game.
What problem? If you want to sit with your friends, buy your tickets together.
pusbccfc
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Yeah, maybe they should.
They should also make it easier to buy tickets where people want to sit.
David O'Day
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If you are blaming cov fans then you are a twat.
It doesn't happen at other grounds we go to
It doesn't happen at other grounds we go to
David O'Day
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The issue was people were in the wrong area as they were forced that way by the stewards.
Yes some people will stand/sit in seats that aren't there's but normally they just back fill empty seats. The organisation yesterday forced people away from their own seats into an already overcrowded section.
Yes some people will stand/sit in seats that aren't there's but normally they just back fill empty seats. The organisation yesterday forced people away from their own seats into an already overcrowded section.
If a stadium is going to insist on people sitting where their tickets are allocated then it gets tricky. If it’s enforced to the letter of the law then clearly you can’t have a system where tickets are allocated according to points AND a system where anyone can sit where they like. If you really want to sit with your friends in that scenario then you’ll just have to wait until you can all buy tickets.
Irish Sky Blue
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Fair enough
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue
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Wasn’t at Ipswich so can’t comment but from memory the rows are shallow and gangways are narrow, so it needs to be managed better at the points of entry from the concourse.
There’s been two away games this season we have been crammed in the safe standing area with people stood in the aisle and trying to force their way in - Leicester and Stoke. Both were 3K+ allocations and were a nightmare to get to and from the rail seat to the concourse.
There’s no way with the space given in either away ends that we should have so many people stood in the aisle or 5 to a couple of rail seats for the whole game and them saying there’s nowhere for them to sit/stand.
Unpopular opinion but I’m there to watch the game, I get not being on your todd and wanting to watch with someone but I don’t get the need to cause blockages and crush into the rows all because Keanu and Shane can’t be apart from Kayden and Brooklyn for 45 minutes.
There’s been two away games this season we have been crammed in the safe standing area with people stood in the aisle and trying to force their way in - Leicester and Stoke. Both were 3K+ allocations and were a nightmare to get to and from the rail seat to the concourse.
There’s no way with the space given in either away ends that we should have so many people stood in the aisle or 5 to a couple of rail seats for the whole game and them saying there’s nowhere for them to sit/stand.
Unpopular opinion but I’m there to watch the game, I get not being on your todd and wanting to watch with someone but I don’t get the need to cause blockages and crush into the rows all because Keanu and Shane can’t be apart from Kayden and Brooklyn for 45 minutes.
clint van damme
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walkingalongsingingasong
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Errrm no. You’ve bought a ticket for a seat and should be respectful and sit in the seat you’ve purchased so you don’t inconvenience others.
On your logic I should expect to give up my season ticket seat as someone might have bought a ticket not near their friend.
rob9872
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There's a few different issues here and they're becoming conflated.
Saturday had nothing to do with fans sitting in the wrong seats. It was more than over zealous handling and the culprits here were the stewards.
That said, on other match days, I'm not sure what the best answer is. We always try and arrive early enough to grab our own actual seats and sit together, but I do sympathise with groups who can't buy together wanting to sit together, however they often don't only want to be together which they could often easily achieve on the outer edges, but they want to be together in the congested middle with the best view and disregard for anyone else. That I do take exception to.
What should happen is that all away ends are unreserved seats, then there is no argument, it's simply first come first serve and fair for everyone, but until we get that, then sit where you're allocated.
At least when it is unreserved and the steward wants you to move, you can ask - ok show me where is free and I'll go there. It did seem on Saturday like it was oversold, but I'm sure that won't be the case due to H&S if anything bad had happened, I don't think the club would risk it.
Saturday had nothing to do with fans sitting in the wrong seats. It was more than over zealous handling and the culprits here were the stewards.
That said, on other match days, I'm not sure what the best answer is. We always try and arrive early enough to grab our own actual seats and sit together, but I do sympathise with groups who can't buy together wanting to sit together, however they often don't only want to be together which they could often easily achieve on the outer edges, but they want to be together in the congested middle with the best view and disregard for anyone else. That I do take exception to.
What should happen is that all away ends are unreserved seats, then there is no argument, it's simply first come first serve and fair for everyone, but until we get that, then sit where you're allocated.
At least when it is unreserved and the steward wants you to move, you can ask - ok show me where is free and I'll go there. It did seem on Saturday like it was oversold, but I'm sure that won't be the case due to H&S if anything bad had happened, I don't think the club would risk it.
Not saying they were at fault on Saturday, but there is apparently an insane amount of entitlement from some away fans on this.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I distinctly remember this being a real mess in the League 2 season (people ignoring their seat allocation), but assumed as we went up the leagues stuff like half arsed stewarding, especially at a club that was in the top flight last season, would be left behind.
Sky Blue Pete
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Can you summarise so I can email Nicola and Paul please
pusbccfc
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I'm not defending it and I always sit in my seat.
However, a huge part of the issue does come from people wanting to sit together but lots of people are at different point levels.
If you've got groups of 10 young lads going together, they are likely to have different amounts of points and/or buy their tickets separately. Again, not defending it, but they are clearly all wanting to sit together.
Having away ends with unreserved seating also wouldn't work because your still get congestion in areas towards the back where everyone wants to sit.
Legia Sky Blue
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The Ipswich situation sounded awful and completely badly managed, but some of our fans can be righteous dicks about sitting with their mates. I had it at Millwall this season where I had bought seats together with my wife, daughter and son in law, but when we got to our seats there was someone in one of them sat next to his mates expecting one of us to go somewhere else and sit on our own because he had sat there first, telling us that it was unreserved seating when it clearly wasn't. He then tried the 'is this your first away game' argument before he gave in and sloped off. My daughter was quite upset about it all, although his mates were actually quite decent guys and apologised for him, but nevertheless having an argument with a fellow supporter definitely spoilt the occasion a little.
David O'Day
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But, But there's people on SBT who seem to be blaming cov fans.
Some clubs do seat maps for their away allocations so you can choose where you sit. Might help a bit. There is an issue with fans not sitting in their allocated seat, that's for certain. Saturday was different, I always head to my seat, always, but I couldn't even get to it, they blocked access. Then had to put up with city fans chirping that I should be in my own seat and not in the gangway, and steward telling me to go to my seat when it was impossible to access even later in the game. Was a complete shitfest.
pusbccfc
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That would 100% help. We all know the younger mob want to sit at the back.
Ultimately, it's not much of an issue at modern grounds. It won't be an issue at Southampton.
Ipswich away end is a very dated stand and even if everyone sat in their correct seats, it would be pretty congested.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well then they have a choice.
Either buy their ticket by themselves and accept they aren't likely to be near their friends, or wait until their friends are able to buy tickets and buy them together and risk not getting a ticket.
Instead they act like entitled pricks who want their cake and eat it.
And to be perfectly honest, it'd probably be better if they aren't altogether because young lads together have a tendency to act like twats trying to show off to each other.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Unreserved seating IMO would arguably make it worse. You'd have those young lads all wanting to be at the back behind the goal and creating a huge crush (and likely aggro) up there as they all try and cram in. It creates a potentially dangerous situation and is the reason why everyone having to have a designated seat came in after Hillsborough.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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You tend to find with this that far too many people don't do so considerately and it ends up being inefficient. They leave individual seats next to them etc.
pusbccfc
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Those are the ones that get the atmosphere going.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Old Warwickshire lad
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It was our fans
clint van damme
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No it wasn't.
It wasn't our fans stopping me getting to my seat, it was a load of stewards and coppers!
David O'Day
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Why on earth are there still people blaming Cov fans for what happened?
People who were there have said they couldn't get to their own seats, not because they were full but because the stewards lost control and started forcing them into the wrong sections then wouldn't let them move towards there own seats.
A mate spent the whole first half wedged on the starway because the stewards made him go to the block which wasn't his and didn't care when he said he wanted to move towards his own block.
People who were there have said they couldn't get to their own seats, not because they were full but because the stewards lost control and started forcing them into the wrong sections then wouldn't let them move towards there own seats.
A mate spent the whole first half wedged on the starway because the stewards made him go to the block which wasn't his and didn't care when he said he wanted to move towards his own block.
be interested to know if Ipswich have this problem every week? Because surely if they do and all other clubs complain then they should be acting to resolve it.
I’ve been to quite a few away games in my time (not quite on the same level as most of the current away support but still), always sat/stood in the seat to which my ticket said (unless it was a terrace like Torquay for example) and never had or saw any issues for memory.
its a new thing, either since the Northampton exodus (let’s all go away games instead) or post covid.
I’ve been to quite a few away games in my time (not quite on the same level as most of the current away support but still), always sat/stood in the seat to which my ticket said (unless it was a terrace like Torquay for example) and never had or saw any issues for memory.
its a new thing, either since the Northampton exodus (let’s all go away games instead) or post covid.
Old Warwickshire lad
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Here we go. People couldn’t get to their seats because our fans had already taken them.
I know because I was one who couldn’t get up the staircase as well.
And while we are at it, who the f*** we blaming for throwing bottles at our fans?
I know because I was one who couldn’t get up the staircase as well.
And while we are at it, who the f*** we blaming for throwing bottles at our fans?
rob9872
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For someone who is advocating peace and only taking written responses on an internet forum, you seem pretty aggressive.
Have a wank.
clint van damme
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You are totally wrong.
Trying to curry sympathy on one thread for your shit experience Saturday but totally dismissing other people's, what a wanker.
As for the bottle throwing, I'm blaming the thrower, because I can hold 2 train of thought at once rather than just blaming our support for everything.