Tell me why he should keep his job? (2 Viewers)
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jim20
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I am not one for continually sacking managers, and feel we do at some stage need to stick with someone for a good couple of years, but to go from first to this is a disgrace. If we were playing youngsters and building a long term team I could understand, but we are not and it will all have to start again from next year, which means he might as well go now to give someone else time to settle in.
Otis
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magicmanfan
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It took 3 years, because his best players were sold from underneath him every summer, and he didn't have anywhere near the budget Mowbray has to work with.
Added to that, he signed young hungry players that the club made money on...not past-it players on high wages that don't have drive or ambition anymore, that you can't sell on for profit.
skyblue1991
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Stephen Pressley's first full season in front of 1500 fans at Sixfields on a much worse budget would've acheieved 61 points without the -10 at the start of the season.
Can you see Mowbray achieving that this season?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Last season Pressley had basically built a league 2 squad. I'm struggling to think of a player that left last summer who would get into our strongest team.
EastLancsCov
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We simply have some supporters who will excuse or put up with failure, no matter what. They blame the players, but they're Mowbray's players. They say he's a great manager, but on what basis is he?
Raise your standards and expect better.
Raise your standards and expect better.
Calista
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In the past 10 weeks we have lost in the Third Division to Colchester, Peterborough, Shrewsbury, Rochdale, Barnsley, Fleetwood, Scunthorpe, Southend and Burton.
Like everyone else, I’ve endured some hard times following this club, but surely this is the most pathetic run of the lot.
Despite all that, I still lean towards giving TM his second season. The fact that we are committed to so few of the players for next year might be a good thing, because the team that starts next season needs to be a hell of a lot better.
Like everyone else, I’ve endured some hard times following this club, but surely this is the most pathetic run of the lot.
Despite all that, I still lean towards giving TM his second season. The fact that we are committed to so few of the players for next year might be a good thing, because the team that starts next season needs to be a hell of a lot better.
NorthernWisdom
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It could of course be a lack of acceptance of failure that recognises the problems go beyond the first team manager.
Nick
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But are they on the pitch taking penalties? Or not tracking back?
NorthernWisdom
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Easy to use Burton as an example, but they're the exception - just like Yeovil and Blackpool were...
Ultimately, the best thing to do is to fix the club, and then the manager gets fixed as a consequence of that.
Sometimes without the tools, then an intrinsic urge towards mediocrity hits a club.
Unless we were just *really* unlucky to have only appointed shit managers, bar the one who wisely walked out before he had a chance to suffer the downturn...
Yeah yeah, but apart from that..
oscillatewildly
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But the problem hasn't just been about defensive injuries, has it?
lifeskyblue
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Best start to a season for years, best football for a generation. Biggest blow up I can remember. Went from unbelievably good to unbelievably bad. Should he keep his job?...yes... But if we don't start well next season then he must get sacked.
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dongonzalos
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He should keep his job because
Most of the time he gets us playing exciting attractive football
He is still a big name in football and can attract people like Joe Cole.
He demands to be in charge of all foitball decisions and doesn't seem to accept interference.
He will make ballsy decisions JOB was a big player to ship out. If he was having a bad influence in the dressing room then FairPlay.
He signed......
Armstrong
Murphy
Kent
Joe Cole
Turner
Jones
He has only had one summer to bring in his own players
In doing so we have moved from 17th to 9th
Hopefully with one more summer we will move from 9th to promotion.
Waggot said our budget this season was 8th-6th
We are currently 9th so he hasn't over achieved. However he isn't underachieving to the extent that some would have us believe.
When we were top of the table he was massively over achieving
Most of the time he gets us playing exciting attractive football
He is still a big name in football and can attract people like Joe Cole.
He demands to be in charge of all foitball decisions and doesn't seem to accept interference.
He will make ballsy decisions JOB was a big player to ship out. If he was having a bad influence in the dressing room then FairPlay.
He signed......
Armstrong
Murphy
Kent
Joe Cole
Turner
Jones
He has only had one summer to bring in his own players
In doing so we have moved from 17th to 9th
Hopefully with one more summer we will move from 9th to promotion.
Waggot said our budget this season was 8th-6th
We are currently 9th so he hasn't over achieved. However he isn't underachieving to the extent that some would have us believe.
When we were top of the table he was massively over achieving
Nick
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Most of the time, where is this football you speak of?
Why if job was a bad influence haven't things improved since he went?
Terry Gibson's perm
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About right for me this I am normally all for sacking the manager but I don't think we should with this one give him the summer to rebuild and he also needs to look at himself a bit.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Attractive football means nothing unless it's effective. I'd rather we did a Burton and won every game 1-0. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go and support Man Utd.
Shipping out JOB was a personality thing and like how he has prioritised other players this season, it has been a favourites competition. At Christmas JOB would have been first on the team sheet, but since the 'messiah' got rid of him suddenly we don't miss him... (Clearly we do).
If we were 8th or abouts all season I could live with our position, but to be almost top at Christmas to where we are now is completely unforgivable. He can have another summer, but it isn't about bringing in the right players, it's about using them. We have Rose for example, who has looked really promising, but has only got a look in 3 games ago. Again, favourites competion.
As for the signings...
Armstrong - Great
Murphy - Awful
Kent - Overated
Joe Cole - Underperforming
Turner - Unfortunate
Jones - Too early to judge
It's hard to think we would find a better manager, and whilst I don't think we should sack him yet, he really has a lot to prove to myself personally. His man management this season has been awful.
dongonzalos
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No give him till January. November is too early. New signings need time to gel.
Whatever we do don't let him sign 10 players then give him three games!!!!
Then sign the messiah who wasn't really the messiah
The new manager ( I don't think we will be needing one) gets the January transfer window. Then the next summer and so on.
rupert_bear
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Will be interesting to hear ChrisAndersons take on things when he next comments, still not sure on exactly what he is hired for is it really to get this club higher up the leagues ? We will see
singers_pore
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I reckon TM decided a few weeks ago that he would be leaving at the end of the season. Time will tell.
Otis
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Armstrong - Yes, great signing
Murphy - Ultimately proved to be a very poor signing. Very good ability, but I think we all have to accept his positional play, covering and tracking back etc. has proved to be a big Achilles Heel for him. His form is patchy at best and his head drops too easily.
Kent - Failed to replace him. Team suffered greatly as a result.
Joe Cole - Poor signing. First we spent weeks trying to integrate him into the team and wait for him to get fit and then we tried to get our play to work around him, rather than him slot into the system we were playing. He slowed things down greatly in his play.
Turner - An accident waiting to happen and he was only here to gain match fitness.
Jones - Hopefully a very good signing.
In doing so we have moved from 17th to 9th? - You do know the season isn't over yet don't you? Talk about spin!
We have moved from top to 9th, been on a horrendous run and continue to fall away alarming (from 11 points clear of 7th, to 8 points behind 6th. From being ahead of Burton in the table, to now being an incredible 19 points behind!)
I like the bloke, but .....
This is the third time this has happened to him. That should set massive alarm bells off for us! I am sure I am not alone in fully expecting this same thing to happen again next season.
Ricketts should have been dropped an age ago, but he has been ever present all season, injury apart.
Reda - We all knew it and it wasn't a question of if, just of when.
We started off really well, but then teams put systems in place that nullified us. This started happening way back in October and November. TM never, ever found a counter to this. We never adapted and just kept trying the same thing and it kept not working.
We needed to change our game and we didn't.
Another really worrying factor now too is that we are looking incredibly likely to be carrying a distinct lack of positivity into the summer. It has been a horrendous fall from grace.
Next season we want to be in a position of starting to build on what we had this! What we have is a dreadful run, our being very low confidence and us left with no strikeforce.
We will be starting from a position of palpable negativity and no positivity whatsoever.
Saying we were top for a bit months earlier in the season is nothing to be positive about, when it was followed by relegation form for the rest of the campaign.
The trend is downwards and has been so now for 4 months.
There are going to be very few positives to take from this season. A season needs to be looked at as a whole. August - October we were very good, November up until this point, we have been right up there with the worst teams in this division.
We are building from nothing and next season we need a keeper, at least one really good CB, a quality playmaker, another wide midfielder and 2 strikers.
It is all but starting from scratch.
Murphy - Ultimately proved to be a very poor signing. Very good ability, but I think we all have to accept his positional play, covering and tracking back etc. has proved to be a big Achilles Heel for him. His form is patchy at best and his head drops too easily.
Kent - Failed to replace him. Team suffered greatly as a result.
Joe Cole - Poor signing. First we spent weeks trying to integrate him into the team and wait for him to get fit and then we tried to get our play to work around him, rather than him slot into the system we were playing. He slowed things down greatly in his play.
Turner - An accident waiting to happen and he was only here to gain match fitness.
Jones - Hopefully a very good signing.
In doing so we have moved from 17th to 9th? - You do know the season isn't over yet don't you? Talk about spin!
We have moved from top to 9th, been on a horrendous run and continue to fall away alarming (from 11 points clear of 7th, to 8 points behind 6th. From being ahead of Burton in the table, to now being an incredible 19 points behind!)
I like the bloke, but .....
This is the third time this has happened to him. That should set massive alarm bells off for us! I am sure I am not alone in fully expecting this same thing to happen again next season.
Ricketts should have been dropped an age ago, but he has been ever present all season, injury apart.
Reda - We all knew it and it wasn't a question of if, just of when.
We started off really well, but then teams put systems in place that nullified us. This started happening way back in October and November. TM never, ever found a counter to this. We never adapted and just kept trying the same thing and it kept not working.
We needed to change our game and we didn't.
Another really worrying factor now too is that we are looking incredibly likely to be carrying a distinct lack of positivity into the summer. It has been a horrendous fall from grace.
Next season we want to be in a position of starting to build on what we had this! What we have is a dreadful run, our being very low confidence and us left with no strikeforce.
We will be starting from a position of palpable negativity and no positivity whatsoever.
Saying we were top for a bit months earlier in the season is nothing to be positive about, when it was followed by relegation form for the rest of the campaign.
The trend is downwards and has been so now for 4 months.
There are going to be very few positives to take from this season. A season needs to be looked at as a whole. August - October we were very good, November up until this point, we have been right up there with the worst teams in this division.
We are building from nothing and next season we need a keeper, at least one really good CB, a quality playmaker, another wide midfielder and 2 strikers.
It is all but starting from scratch.
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Wheelfass
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In a nutshell Otis.
lordsummerisle
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It's a fucking big nut!
Otis
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dongonzalos
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This took up an entire page on my phone you have page 6 all to yourself, be proud!!!
The OP asked why he should keep his job. All I can find answering the OP within the biggest thread post known to man kind are the words
"Adam Armstrong" and "I Like the bloke"
I am not fully surely you have grasp the gist of the thread
rupert_bear
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We don't need a goalkeeper, everyone fit and I include Johnson and Willis in that statement, play Chris Stokes at centre back, left sided, good in the air, good with the ball and make him club captain, was superb the times he played there. Rose will be ok centre right, the Bulgarian we have to wait and see on that one. Mowbray should play him I mo best to get him acclimatised now. So in my opinion we need perhaps a left back, a tough ball winner in midfield, a pacey wide player and two strikers, not loans, we got lucky with Armstrong can't see that happening again, plus our youth players are a year older and should be better to come in to the reckoning. Bit of a tough job but I think we are in a bit better position than last season
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Otis
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I was editing your post, Don.
Otis
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I would keep RCC, but I think we need an older head as back up.
Don't like having two young goalkeepers as our only option.
Otis
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I agree on Stokes.
What we need next season is two quick fullbacks with the ability to get up and down the pitch and provide good quality into the box.
I love Stokes, but he is not the quickest and if he has any weakness it is getting forwards and helping the attack.
Play him at CB.
Have we seen Martin and Stokes together at CB? Don't think we have, have we.
What we need next season is two quick fullbacks with the ability to get up and down the pitch and provide good quality into the box.
I love Stokes, but he is not the quickest and if he has any weakness it is getting forwards and helping the attack.
Play him at CB.
Have we seen Martin and Stokes together at CB? Don't think we have, have we.