Liquid Gold
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Do you have a problem with this?
BLM are a Marxist mob who most on here think acceptable along with antifa.
Do you have a problem with this?The Millwall players released this statement yesterday.
Seems an awful lot of fans just ignored it .
As a squad we are fully supportive of the entire football family’s efforts in ridding the sport, and society generally, of all forms of discrimination.
“It is our duty as players to reinforce the positive messaging and action of clubs, Community Trusts, charities and governing bodies, and we do so with great pride and knowledge that so much good work is being done up and down the country.
“The gesture of ‘taking the knee’ before matches provides an opportunity for us to do exactly that and continues to allow all those playing to publicly showcase their support – on behalf of the whole squad – for the fight against discrimination.
“We wish to make clear that taking the knee, for us, is in no way representative of any agreement with political messaging or ideology. It is purely about tackling discrimination, as has been the case throughout.
“We will continue to do this until the start of the New Year when a new and comprehensive anti-discrimination strategy will be announced by the club.”
I assume you'd be outraged too if one of our players did it?
Best write to the club & ask them to have a word with our Player of the Year then.
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BLM are a Marxist mob who most on here think acceptable along with antifa.
Seriously, change you're avatars, it does not align with your beliefs. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm not really outraged at Kazim-Richards doing it. Just not totally comfortable with it for historical reasons.
Nope I’m saying that it’s political to demand the same rights irrespective of the colour of your skinSo you really think that when black players take the knee they’re thinking “One step closer to the proletariat seizing the means of production, my brothers” rather than “It would be cool if security guards stopped following me around the supermarket for wearing a hoodie” etc? That’s the debate they’re trying to have?
Nope I’m saying that it’s political to demand the same rights irrespective of the colour of your skin
It really is amazing that you apparently know more about the motivations behind these protest gestures than the black players themselves. I’m sure they’d love you to explain it to them.
I’m missing something here. Please explain what it is.Holy shit
I’m missing something here. Please explain what it is.
Ah, you again.
That makes no sense. Course equality of treatment is a fundamental human right. But what isn’t political about demanding it if it’s not a reality. I really don’t understandEquality is a fundamental human right. There’s nothing political about it. If you want to join a political movement that argues otherwise then go ahead, but you won’t be in great company.
Still out of ideas I see?
Going from “it’s hard to defend black players raising their fist” to “Dabo can do what he wants” in the space of a few minutes is just embarrassing.
Why can’t you see that you’re making exactly the same bad faith arguments as the Millwall fans who insist they’re not really against anti-racist movements, just the ones that are a little too ‘in your face’ for their liking?
That makes no sense. Course equality of treatment is a fundamental human right. But what isn’t political about demanding it if it’s not a reality. I really don’t understand
Yep happy to agreeWe’re getting sidetracked and we’re likely in agreement on most things so no point in arguing too much over technicalities. But while the existence of inequality is often a deliberate political decision, and it may take political action to fight it, it nevertheless shouldn’t be seen as a political statement to stand up for a human right. The difference between those two things is the difference between “I take a knee because I want to destroy this country’s political system” and “I take a knee because I want to be seen as an equal person in this country”.
I'm being consistent in that I wouldn't ban them making whichever gesture they feel appropriate. But the salute and Black Power movement it's most associated with was generally opposed to peaceful protest. This is pretty indisputable but of course, try and make out like I'm a closet racist.
I'm being consistent in that I wouldn't ban them making whichever gesture they feel appropriate. But the salute and Black Power movement it's most associated with was generally opposed to peaceful protest. This is pretty indisputable but of course, try and make out like I'm a closet racist.
To be honest it's just part of the pre game routine in my eyes now, don't even bat an eyelid... Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing for the movement though
Which is where I am.on it. Or was.
Those supporters booing today have just hand3d it back.itd potency so it's going to roll on.
Only you could admit if you’re a closet racist (I’m sure you never would). But I think it’s pretty shameful that if Dabo was booed by a crowd of white people for raising his fist in the name of equality, by your own admission you’d struggle to defend him.
Ultimately whether it rolls on or not most people don't even care about it anymore... Which in itself is defeating the object.
Carry on forever for all I care, I just watch the match
So that's why Milwall booed.
They were all on board with taking the knee but when a player did a black powet salute they decided in a split second that on balance and despite of the violence and prejudice black peoe have faced for centuries that a gesture associated with violent resistance to the aforementioned prejudices was inappropriate and so they booed.
Their decades long association with racism.is purely coincidental.
I didn't say that at all. I even posted above what their reasons were-they're opposed to the whole BLM movement.
I don't think it's controversial to be uncomfortable with the Black Power movement for its advocation of violent protest. Big figures in the 60s civil rights movement had the same issues with it.
Very interesting thread on their forum
Your take on the booing. | Millwall Forum (vitalfootball.co.uk)
Justification seems to all come from a burning of the Union flag. Quite a lot defending it
I'm mot saying you said it but if thats their excuse it's absolute bollocks that anyone can see through.
Good god, wish I hadn't read that... Feel like my IQ (and faith in humanity) has taken a hit.
I think probably 1 comment condemning it, from 5 pages?
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Das Krapital.Yet to see 'marxist' used outside a historical context by anyone who knows what they're talking about. The streak continues
Hang on just a minute, those fans were booing all of it because they're opposed to BLM. I am not. You seem to be swerving the point that I am just uncomfortable with the raised fist salute because of it's connotations with opposition to non-violent protest.
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