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Starmer lost control of borders (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date May 31, 2025
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 7:43 AM
  • #71
MalcSB said:
so Hansard publishes any old shit?
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It publishes what people say in parliament. So…..
 
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PVA

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  • Thursday at 8:11 AM
  • #72
MalcSB said:
so Hansard publishes any old shit?
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So you agree with everything said by Keir Starmer as long as its recorded in Hansard?

That's quite a turn up for the books.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Thursday at 10:37 AM
  • #73
MalcSB said:
An expectation that change might actually mean change, not more of the same. If only we had known that the day before the election.
so Hansard publishes any old shit?
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Surely more of a hope than expectation.

Given that their entire campaign and manifesto basically said 'more of the same Tory thinking' I don't see why you had an expectation of change.

Sure, them coming in and saying "there's no money" and continuing along austerity lines was disappointing, but given the manifesto not a huge shock.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Thursday at 11:09 AM
  • #74
MalcSB said:
An expectation that change might actually mean change, not more of the same. If only we had known that the day before the election.
so Hansard publishes any old shit?
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Hansard publishes a record of what was said on the day. Given who said it, that probably would incude "any old shit". I have provided you with the original source of her information and shown that she has deliberately misrepresented it.
 
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ms639

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  • Thursday at 12:19 PM
  • #75
MalcSB said:

Starmer has ‘lost control of borders’ after record small-boat crossings

Over 650 migrants reach UK via Channel on Saturday, taking this year’s total to more than 8,000
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Why let facts get in the way of a bullshit telegraph headline hey Malc


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Grendel

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  • Thursday at 2:30 PM
  • #76
ms639 said:
Why let facts get in the way of a bullshit telegraph headline hey Malc


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It is factually accurate that this year is likely to see record crossings.

It’s also the case Starmer himself pledged this was an issue and he would “smash the gangs and stop the boats”
 
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PVA

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  • Thursday at 2:56 PM
  • #77
Let's see...

France agrees to intercept migrant boats for first time​

Country’s naval forces expanded with six new patrol vessels to intercept ‘taxi boats’ before they leave for the UK


France has pledged to come up with a plan within the next six weeks to intercept migrant “taxi boats” at sea for the first time.

French interior ministry sources said they will target boats within 300 metres of the beaches to stop them leaving for the UK loaded with migrants.

The strategy aims to be ready for the Franco-British summit, which begins on July 8, when Emmanuel Macron, the French president, will travel to London for a state visit.
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MalcSB

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  • Thursday at 4:09 PM
  • #78
skybluetony176 said:
Going by the date on your link then shouldn’t the thread title be Sunak lost control of the borders?
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Nope.
Losing control of the borders is the number of people arriving, not the cost consequence of them arriving
PVA said:
So you agree with everything said by Keir Starmer as long as it’s recorded in Hansard?

That's quite a turn up for the books.
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i didn’t say I agreed with any of Starmer’s utterances published in Hansard. I’m suggesting it may be a more reliable and impartial information source than, say, Geebeebies. Other than for reporting the time, obviously.

I had offered it up as a potential source for an approximation of cost of immigration from a source drawing parallels between cost of supporting indigenous citizens who will have paid UK tax and others who probably haven’t.

In the absence of a list of services the latter group are ineligible for, it seems a reasonable starting point. To which needs to be added the housing costs.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Thursday at 4:36 PM
  • #79
ms639 said:
Why let facts get in the way of a bullshit telegraph headline hey Malc


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The detail is all false? On what basis can you be so sure?

Must be weird living in a world where you believe nothing but the Labour Party and others like yourself.
 

MalcSB

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  • Thursday at 4:36 PM
  • #80

Britain's booming housing markets: 10 areas where sales have spiked

Areas in Manchester and West Yorkshire have seen agreed property sales jump by more than 80% thanks to their 'affordability and value'.
www.thisismoney.co.uk

Is something stirring?

Of course, it will be viewed as bullshit. Too much to ask for any green shoots of recovery after 10 months of a Labour government who have a programme of change.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Thursday at 5:16 PM
  • #81
MalcSB said:
Nope.
Losing control of the borders is the number of people arriving, not the cost consequence of them arriving
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Ahh okay. So if that’s your metric the trend under Labour (although there’s yet to be a full year with Labour in government) is down. Considerably. So based on that shouldn’t the thread title be Conservatives lost control of borders.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Thursday at 5:27 PM
  • #82
This guy cracks me up, but he does have a point!
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 6:23 PM
  • #83
MalcSB said:
i didn’t say I agreed with any of Starmer’s utterances published in Hansard. I’m suggesting it may be a more reliable and impartial information source than, say, Geebeebies. Other than for reporting the time, obviously.
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Your source isn't Hansard, your source is Andrea Jenkyns. How are you so bad at this?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 12:48 PM
  • #84
MalcSB said:

Britain's booming housing markets: 10 areas where sales have spiked

Areas in Manchester and West Yorkshire have seen agreed property sales jump by more than 80% thanks to their 'affordability and value'.
www.thisismoney.co.uk

Is something stirring?

Of course, it will be viewed as bullshit. Too much to ask for any green shoots of recovery after 10 months of a Labour government who have a programme of change.
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The problem we've got in the UK is viewing rising property prices as evidence of a healthy economy, despite the damage it has already caused
 
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mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 1:15 PM
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fernandopartridge said:
The problem we've got in the UK is viewing rising property prices as evidence of a healthy economy, despite the damage it has already caused
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 3:23 PM
  • #86
fernandopartridge said:
The problem we've got in the UK is viewing rising property prices as evidence of a healthy economy, despite the damage it has already caused
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It is sickens me when I see episodes of home's under the hammer with it's sexed up presentation style!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 8:12 PM
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fernandopartridge said:
The problem we've got in the UK is viewing rising property prices as evidence of a healthy economy, despite the damage it has already caused
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Falling property prices wouldn’t be evidence of a healthy economy either though.
 

MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 8:13 PM
  • #88
wingy said:
It is sickens me when I see episodes of home's under the hammer with it's sexed up presentation style!
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The hyping up of football coverage has gone too far as well.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 8:36 PM
  • #89
MalcSB said:
Falling property prices wouldn’t be evidence of a healthy economy either though.
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Not necessarily. Might mean the money is invested in something productive.
 

MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 10:18 PM
  • #90
fernandopartridge said:
Not necessarily. Might mean the money is invested in something productive.
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Or tied up in a mortgage in negative equity. Debt, not something productive at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

People not able to sell the property for fear of crystalising the debt and creating another banking crisis like 2008. Would that be good for anyone?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 10:25 PM
  • #91
MalcSB said:
Or tied up in a mortgage in negative equity. Debt, not something productive at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

People not able to sell the property for fear of crystalising the debt and creating another banking crisis like 2008. Would that be good for anyone?
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There needs to be a property market crash, it was needed after 2008 yet governments decided to protect the interests of lenders by bailing them out.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Yesterday at 10:36 PM
  • #92
Gynnsthetonic said:
This guy cracks me up, but he does have a point!
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Fucking hell.
 
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