Haha fucking hell, that might be the most pathetic Torygraph attempt yet. Real weak stuff there.
Starmer’s defence strategy in disarray
Defence Secretary backtracks as he says 3pc target only an ‘ambition’www.telegraph.co.uk
Who is to blame for this shit storm?
You missed 'A constant drain on the public budget'.Unauthorised immigrants are...
1. Restricted from working in UK.
2. Largely ineligible and excluded for any public funded support.
3. Restricted from welfare support.
4. Restricted from accessing most public services.
5. Ineligible from most benefits.
6. Prevented from accessing benefits and services classed as public funds.
7. Ineligible for allocation of social housing and homelessness assistance.
8. Excluded from most local authority support.
9. Not allowed to rent a property.
10. Not allowed to have a bank account.
11. Not allowed to have a driving licence.
12. Subject to additional requirements for giving notice of an intention to marry or enter a civil partnership.
They can access some public funded services including...
1. Going to school.
2. Primary care and A&E treatment.
3. Some local authority social services such as children's social care.
4. Adult social care services can only be provided to unauthorised migrants to avoid breach of Human Rights.
5. Eligible for discretionary forms of support such as clothes, food, baby banks, and accommodation schemes operated by charitable, faith based or community organisations.
All that sourced firectly from the previous government statement/report in 2023.
Yeah, but you've only been posting about govt pretty much since Labour won the election, and are complaining about their record on an almost daily basis, a lot of which is vastly skewed or pretty much exactly the same as under the Tory govt which, surprise surprise, you didn't say a peep about at the time.It's odd really, I feel exactly the same about you and some others on here in terms of the parties further to the right.
People have a right to hold a view which is entirely different to yours without it being put down by brain washed reflex.
TBF I haven’t come out with contradictory statements, only one organisation to blame for this, whatever spectacles one might want to wear.
That makes it all right then.Unauthorised immigrants are...
1. Restricted from working in UK.
2. Largely ineligible and excluded for any public funded support.
3. Restricted from welfare support.
4. Restricted from accessing most public services.
5. Ineligible from most benefits.
6. Prevented from accessing benefits and services classed as public funds.
7. Ineligible for allocation of social housing and homelessness assistance.
8. Excluded from most local authority support.
9. Not allowed to rent a property.
10. Not allowed to have a bank account.
11. Not allowed to have a driving licence.
12. Subject to additional requirements for giving notice of an intention to marry or enter a civil partnership.
They can access some public funded services including...
1. Going to school.
2. Primary care and A&E treatment.
3. Some local authority social services such as children's social care.
4. Adult social care services can only be provided to unauthorised migrants to avoid breach of Human Rights.
5. Eligible for discretionary forms of support such as clothes, food, baby banks, and accommodation schemes operated by charitable, faith based or community organisations.
All that sourced directly from the previous government statement/report in 2023.
Where's that £12bn figure from?You missed 'A constant drain on the public budget'.
The last figure being touted around was £12bn per annum.
Try using a search engine.Where's that £12bn figure from?
You have stated it I'm asking you where it's come from you clownTry using a search engine.
Where's that £12bn figure from?
I’m sure it was a lot more than that, not that £12b is an insignificant sum. Hansard 7 May 2024. Illegal:Immigration Costs debate refers to reports stating that providing support to a UK citizen costed the Government £12,000 per person, This suggests that an unauthorised immigrant population of 1.2 million would be costing £14.4 million That is not the extent of it though. Housing these unauthorised persons is also a significant sum and must be pretty annoying for those of you struggling to acquire adequate accommodation.
Good startI have a note on the clocks. Most of them are either telling the wrong time or not working, so there will be no timing of the length of speeches.
Try using a search engine.
I’m sure it was a lot more than that, not that £12b is an insignificant sum. Hansard 7 May 2024. Illegal:Immigration Costs debate refers to reports stating that providing support to a UK citizen costed the Government £12,000 per person, This suggests that an unauthorised immigrant population of 1.2 million would be costing £14.4 million That is not the extent of it though. Housing these unauthorised persons is also a significant sum and must be pretty annoying for those of you struggling to acquire adequate accommodation.
She’s a sandwich short that one. She claims illegal immigration is a huge problem then goes on to list a whole bunch of people here legally.
Yeah, but you've only been posting about govt pretty much since Labour won the election, and are complaining about their record on an almost daily basis, a lot of which is vastly skewed or pretty much exactly the same as under the Tory govt which, surprise surprise, you didn't say a peep about at the time.
Meanwhile I'm often critical of Labour, and other left leaning parties, and said before Labour won it would be disappointing if they won and carried out a manifesto that was effectively a moderate tory one. It was very much a case of hold my nose and put up with it because it was better than the shitfest that was the Tories and realistically they were the only other option. Ordinarily I wouldn't have voted for a Labour with those set of values.
I've even been known, on rare occasions, to support Tory policy where it seems a good idea. Trouble is it doesn't happen often because the basic tenets of conservatism focus on inequality, greed and forcing people to be at odds with other.
I'm not saying you can't hold a view different to mine - you're perfectly entitled to do so - but don't go around talking about other people basing their ideas on which party said what because you've only started moaning since Labour came in despite most of what they're doing being no different to what was going on under the Tories. That's the very definition of having an opinion based on the party.
Could be hereYou have stated it I'm asking you where it's come from you clown
Indeed it is.Isn’t Labour sticking to Tory principles a reasonable basis on which to moan? For anyone of any fundamental political persuasion?
This £12b figure seems to have come from GBeebies:
Which seems to have got that from here:
Foreigners claim £1bn a month in benefits
Eight weeks of payments to households with foreign national enough to wipe out winter fuel cut savingsweb.archive.org
Which absolutely does not state that unauthorised migrants cost the UK 12bn a year, as Captain Dart said.
I don’t but if I got benefits wouldn’t that count in these stats cos I live with a dirty foreigner? It’s “households with at least one foreign national”. Nigel Farage is included in that FFS.
What a completely meaningless stat.
Exactly. It's a load of shite and GBN have run with it and now it's gospel.
Maybe that wasn't the article or figure that Captain Dart was referring to, in which case I apologise, but given he's unwilling or unable to provide a source I'm guessing it probably is.
By definition I assume someone entering the country illegally has not been granted status on arrival?
No that seems to take 6 months plus.
So someone who enters illegally and does not reveal themselves as such has 6 months to do so?
I’ve given you a potential Hansard source FFSExactly. It's a load of shite and GBN have run with it and now it's gospel.
Maybe that wasn't the article or figure that Captain Dart was referring to, in which case I apologise, but given he's unwilling or unable to provide a source I'm guessing it probably is.
I’ve given you a potential Hansard source FFS
Going by the date on your link then shouldn’t the thread title be Sunak lost control of the borders?I’m sure it was a lot more than that, not that £12b is an insignificant sum. Hansard 7 May 2024. Illegal:Immigration Costs debate refers to reports stating that providing support to a UK citizen costed the Government £12,000 per person, This suggests that an unauthorised immigrant population of 1.2 million would be costing £14.4 million That is not the extent of it though. Housing these unauthorised persons is also a significant sum and must be pretty annoying for those of you struggling to acquire adequate accommodation.
I have no idea what you're talking about or what argument you're trying to start, sorry.
TBF if I was sailing across the sea on a rubber dinghy, I'd feel significantly more relaxed once I'd reached dry land as well
TBF, if I'd entered a country illegally, I wouldn't be. In theory, that should be the most concerning part as you don't know what's next, no?
That's clearly not the most concerning part is it.
Worst case scenario, you get deported.
Worst case scenario crossing the channel, you die.
Neither of them are in any way comparable to the risk to life with the crossings.Well let me put it this way, I wouldn't want to be chucked into a holding cell when I don't speak the lingo etc. I wouldn't fancy being in a US holding area due to no Visa, never mind a country i can't converse with.
Plus, I thought the risk to their lives is worth the crossing?
Indeed it is.
I just want to know why you weren't giving the Tories the same amount of stick for 14 years previous if it's the same stuff and you're complaining now.
What's the differing variable between those periods...?
so Hansard publishes any old shit?Andrea Jenkyns is not a source.
It's since been pointed out that's not factual anyway.
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