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ccfcway

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  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #561
letsallsingtogether said:
If people had been as venomous against our owners as they are about a team who play a sport they care nothing about, maybe the outcome would have been different.
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Both SISU and Wasps have got off far too lightly in my opinion. I do think people have reacted stronger to SISU than Wasps though.
 
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peeler

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  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #562
italiahorse said:
You keep bringing up Morals and principles !!
Stop fighting Wasps fans battles, the majority don't care.
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I think it's a distraction technique.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #563
Nick said:
I rarely bring up my own morals or principles, when I do they are consistent.

The thing is though, other people don't seem to be very consistent and seem to want to get their views from what other people do.

If CCFC moved 80 odd miles, changed their name and got loads of new fans who loved it. Would that be OK? MK Dons get bigger attendances than AFC Wimbledon, does that mean that was OK?
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To some of you yes to me No.
Just the move would kill the club to me never mind a name change.

For that reason I do not support the Wasps.
May go and watch them though!




Only when they play Cov in a couple of seasons
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #564
peeler said:
I think it's a distraction technique.
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It's funny you say that.

You signed up along with other Wasps fans on a day with unusually high signups to post on a thread where people were showing anger about the Higgs.

More irony.
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #565
Nick said:
I rarely bring up my own morals or principles, when I do they are consistent.

The thing is though, other people don't seem to be very consistent and seem to want to get their views from what other people do.

If CCFC moved 80 odd miles, changed their name and got loads of new fans who loved it. Would that be OK? MK Dons get bigger attendances than AFC Wimbledon, does that mean that was OK?
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Its different.
Wasps can get away with it because they have a wide base of fans around the country. Probably gained because of their nomadic existence.
CCFC has no real draw from outside the area. Also there are very few pockets like MK in the country a team could drop into and be successful.
CCFC moved to Northampton and lost most fans and gained few new ones.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #566
It would be interesting to see if Milton Keynes decided they needed a rugby team and decided wasps were perfect and they gave the owners lots of his favourite stuff (cash) how many of these new loyal followers would go with them.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #567
letsallsingtogether said:
To some of you yes to me No.
Just the move would kill the club to me never mind a name change.

For that reason I do not support the Wasps.
May go and watch then though!




Only when they play Cov in a couple of season though
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Nope, I can safely say any permanent move 85 miles away then I'd be out and I'd be pretty much done with football. I mentioned the name change because Italia tried to throw that in to justify the move earlier on. Even without a name change I'd also be out.
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #568
Wide fan base? They averaged 6000 you plonker. You really chat some shit.
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #569
ccfcway said:
agreed, it is a lesser board. That's because its about wasps and this is a ccfc forum website, clue is in the name
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Nick will move it as soon as he starts loosing the argument
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #570
I moved it about 10 minutes ago when ccfcway said, I haven't been on much the last few days and haven't been at a computer to do it.

I'm not loosing anything either.
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #571
Terry Gibson's perm said:
It would be interesting to see if Milton Keynes decided they needed a rugby team and decided wasps were perfect and they gave the owners lots of his favourite stuff (cash) how many of these new loyal followers would go with them.
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There is more chance of CCFC going to MK than Wasps. Take it from me Sisu have considered it.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #572
Nick said:
I moved it about 10 minutes ago when ccfcway said, I haven't been on much the last few days and haven't been at a computer to do it.

I'm not loosing anything either.
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You can't loose something you never had
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #573
italiahorse said:
You can't loose something you never had
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You can't make something loose if you don't have it to loosen.
 
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ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #574
italiahorse said:
Nick will move it as soon as he starts loosing the argument
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an argument that shouldn't take place on a ccfc board
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #575
italiahorse said:
There is more chance of CCFC going to MK than Wasps. Take it from me Sisu have considered it.
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Not the question are you a politician:emoji_kissing:
 

italiahorse

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  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #576
SkyBlueZack said:
Wide fan base? They averaged 6000 you plonker. You really chat some shit.
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Don't forget all their games are all on BT Sport. Fans don't always have to attend.
We know that because we have 45,000 + fans and a 6,000 average attendance.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #577
ccfcway said:
an argument that shouldn't take place on a ccfc board
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Correct, as it's not on the Wasps board either.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #578
Grendel said:
50% of their fans signed a petition demanding they stay in the area - funny how in every post you keep saying you don’t know about rugby - not interest in wasps but post far more than about ccfc games - laughable really
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50 per cent may have initially signed a petition, but out of interest I have just scrolled through the last 25 pages of their forum and there is not one thread showing any protest about Wasps being moved or playing at the Ricoh. That for me is proof enough there is no longer any active protest by Wasps fans. I suspect a good
percentage of that 50 per cent were Coventry City fans protesting the move like myself.

Very disappointing response by their fans from the beginning through to now.

Good to see Coventry Rugby crowds and revenues have actually gone up since their arrival and I hope that trend continues. With the efforts of Jon Sharpe, Lara Hunter and Rowland Winter the signs are it will.
 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #579
Hobo said:
50 per cent may have initially signed a petition, but out of interest I have just scrolled through the last 25 pages of their forum and there is not one thread showing any protest about Wasps being moved or playing at the Ricoh. That for me is proof enough there is no longer any active protest by Wasps fans. I suspect a good
percentage of that 50 per cent were Coventry City fans protesting the move like myself.

Very disappointing response by their fans from the beginning through to now.

Good to see Coventry Rugby crowds and revenues have actually gone up since their arrival and I hope that trend continues. With the efforts of Jon Sharpe, Lara Hunter and Rowland Winter the signs are it will.
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To be fair, the wasps forum is tightly admind, and I remember from when I looked when they first arrived people were quickly booted off and posts deleted on any remotely negative. For all the shit nick gets we're lucky he pretty much let's anything go, unless its illegal or libelous.


I imagine these fans are protesting by not attending anymore, just like many of our fans. Unfortunately, due to bandwagoners and freebies they aren't missed. They'd always predicted a significant drop off of their London fan base.

I'd also argue the increase in attendances at CRFC are as much to do with our decline, and fans boycotting ccfc and instead going to butts park arena.

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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #580
italiahorse said:
I'll help.
They had attendances of 6000 at Wycombe.
The petition had 3000 signatures.
Where it falls down though is a lot of CCFC fans signed the petition as I guess would Leicester, Worcester and Northampton fans.

More interesting at the time was a poll by the Coventry Telegraph asking readers would they welcome Wasps to Coventry and 53% said yes.

Successful Move ? 6000 average at Wycombe and 16,000 in Coventry.
Sometimes people just need to see the bigger picture.
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Ah so he is just guessing. Thought so
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #581
Hobo said:
50 per cent may have initially signed a petition, but out of interest I have just scrolled through the last 25 pages of their forum and there is not one thread showing any protest about Wasps being moved or playing at the Ricoh. That for me is proof enough there is no longer any active protest by Wasps fans. I suspect a good
percentage of that 50 per cent were Coventry City fans protesting the move like myself.

Very disappointing response by their fans from the beginning through to now.

Good to see Coventry Rugby crowds and revenues have actually gone up since their arrival and I hope that trend continues. With the efforts of Jon Sharpe, Lara Hunter and Rowland Winter the signs are it will.
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I suspect the majority of that 50% were CCFC fans. It got more air on here and CCFC related Facebook pages than any Rugby or Wasps forum.

Wasps fans didn’t put up a fight in any numbers at all and made no noise either. Especially when you compared it to what we done as individuals and groups.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #582
Hobo said:
50 per cent may have initially signed a petition, but out of interest I have just scrolled through the last 25 pages of their forum and there is not one thread showing any protest about Wasps being moved or playing at the Ricoh. That for me is proof enough there is no longer any active protest by Wasps fans. I suspect a good
percentage of that 50 per cent were Coventry City fans protesting the move like myself.

Very disappointing response by their fans from the beginning through to now.

Good to see Coventry Rugby crowds and revenues have actually gone up since their arrival and I hope that trend continues. With the efforts of Jon Sharpe, Lara Hunter and Rowland Winter the signs are it will.
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Just chatting to a mate who is going on Saturday to CRFC with a Northampton Saints Fan.
Neither are CRFC fans, both are going fircthe full meal, match abd entertainment. Both say it’s a great day hence why they go. They say Wasps arrival has done no harm to CRFC but instead has actually galvanised it.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #583
dongonzalos said:
Ah so he is just guessing. Thought so
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No it's called applying a patently untrue interpretation to selected factual data to back up a relatively baseless claim and hoping no one will properly research the issues and expose the nonsense for what it is. Notice the source is never referenced because it makes it harder to locate and debunk it. He does it all the time.
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #584
Cov are doing well, that is nothing to do with wasps. It's down to rowland winter. Why didn't the council consider selling the Ricoh to cov? Giving them the extra revenues? Which they are trying to do at the butts.
 
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covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #585
Fucking hell this thread is a who's who of wasps fanboys.
"I'm not defending wasps, but....."


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Moff

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  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #586
dongonzalos said:
Ah so he is just guessing. Thought so
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Bloody hell do you not miss the irony of quoting Italia to try to prove Grendel wrong, by saying he is guessing, when Italia clearly says in his post he is guessing at figures in the petition.

So you are laughing at Grendel 'guessing' whilst using the figures of someone who is clearly guessing to prove him wrong. I would give up Dongo.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #587
SkyBlueZack said:
Cov are doing well, that is nothing to do with wasps. It's down to rowland winter. Why didn't the council consider selling the Ricoh to cov? Giving them the extra revenues? Which they are trying to do at the butts.
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Well apparently more fans are going to CRFC partly because of their disgust at Wasps arrival but also after the Northampton debacle so maybe SISU and Wasps have helped out CRFC. Didn’t Wasps lend CRFC some players in the past as well?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #588
Moff said:
Bloody hell do you not miss the irony of quoting Italia to try to prove Grendel wrong, by saying he is guessing, when Italia clearly says in his post he is guessing at figures in the petition.

So you are laughing at Grendel 'guessing' whilst using the figures of someone who is clearly guessing to prove him wrong. I would give up Dongo.
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But do you know they as a fact or are you guessing?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #589
dongonzalos said:
Ah so he is just guessing. Thought so
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I thought you weren’t bothered - as for guessing a petition has 3,000 signatures which is 50% of their crowd. So it’s a fact.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #590
dongonzalos said:
Well apparently more fans are going to CRFC partly because of their disgust at Wasps arrival but also after the Northampton debacle so maybe SISU and Wasps have helped out CRFC. Didn’t Wasps lend CRFC some players in the past as well?
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So you are now trying to push credit to wasps for cov rugby doing well? Bit weird.
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #591
Hes a snake, Italia and peeler too.
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #592
More fans are going cov because they have built the club up again slowly and carefully. Which is now coming to fruition on the pitch. Winning games, increased attendances. Fuck all to do with wasps.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #593
Captain Dart said:
No it's called applying a patently untrue interpretation to selected factual data to back up a relatively baseless claim and hoping no one will properly research the issues and expose the nonsense for what it is. Notice the source is never referenced because it makes it harder to locate and debunk it. He does it all the time.
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There were 2,960 signatures when it closed. I’ve linked a post they said 2,700’already.

What’s your agenda eh?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #594
Grendel said:
I thought you weren’t bothered - as for guessing a petition has 3,000 signatures which is 50% of their crowd. So it’s a fact.
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That’s that then it’s a fact. Well 2999 as didn’t Italia say he signed it. So not really a fact at all, but never mind.

The reality is that it won’t be that all 3000 Signature’s are just from Wasps fans.
People from businesses in the local area will have signed it. People from the council of the local area. Other Rugby fans not happy with franchising. Councillors from the local area. Friends and family of those who are fans who are helping out. There will be loads of signatures from non Wasps fans.
However let’s say for once you nearly got something right (you haven’t) the fact that less than 50% of their fans could even be bothered to click a button to express their protest against moving......
What does that tell you?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2018
  • #595
Grendel said:
There were 2,960 signatures when it closed. I’ve linked a post they said 2,700’already.

What’s your agenda eh?
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His agenda seems to be to show that you make things up then call them facts.
He has been proven right.
You do not know and cannot possibly know that all 2960 people were Wasps fans abd the reality is they won’t all be.
 
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