That's exactly what the Russians are saying.How do they tell where poison is made?
If I was going to Poison somebody and was Russian I wouldn't fill it with homemade Russian ingredients.
Statement today hasn't offered any proof.
Why are you asking me what the proof should be? Neither of us is an expert in nerve agents or chemical weapons.
The authorities must know what delivers the burden of proof. Seemingly we do not have it.
I am sure it WAS the Russians, but we are dealing with a major global power here.
They are laughing at us and the 'highly likely' comment and are coming back with 'It's highly Boris Johnson is an idiot' kind of stuff.
The statement today has not provided any proof and has left the waters muddy. Our government was expecting some definitive proof from this. They haven't got it.
„Russia’s embassy in London responded that Porton Down’s assessment “proves that all political declarations on the Russian origin of the crime are nothing but assumptions not stemming from objective facts or the course of the investigation”.“
An answer to this Russian statement would be a start. I hope we have the answers. That is the opposite of hating Britain. I hope our government does know what it is doing. I don’t want the UK ending up alone.
That's exactly what the Russians are saying.
But maybe Putin is so arrogant he believes he can just do whatever he wants and there's no-one who can stop him.
How do they tell where poison is made?
If I was going to Poison somebody and was Russian I wouldn't fill it with homemade Russian ingredients.
What on earth are you babbling on about?Who cares if they are laughing - they are liars and murderers - Putin is laughing as he can spoof people like you are
Fuck me. I argue about decent coffee with my Mrs and that's bad enough.What on earth are you babbling on about?
I am not fooled by it at all and make no apologies. I have had some very heated debates about this with my wife.
I am totally convinced the Russians did it and that it came from the Kremlin and that Putin had full knowledge of it. Been arguing that with the wife now for 4 whole weeks.
What the hell has that got to do with proving it?
You are making absolutely zero sense.
Russians deserve no answers - I hope we have the answers? Are you for real - what a horrible little man you are - you would spread your legs for Putin if it meant points scored in your mad Brexit conspiracy world.
She is in love with Putin. He can do no wrong in her eyes. I see him as an odious, corrupt and very dangerous man.Fuck me. I argue about decent coffee with my Mrs and that's bad enough.
Good luck to you my friend.
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
What on earth are you babbling on about?
I am not fooled by it at all and make no apologies. I have had some very heated debates about this with my wife.
I am totally convinced the Russians did it and that it came from the Kremlin and that Putin had full knowledge of it. Been arguing that with the wife now for 4 whole weeks.
What the hell has that got to do with proving it?
You are making absolutely zero sense.
Of course they deserve answers. We have accused them and punished them. Even if they did it, which I agree is most likely, we still have to put something on the table. It would have been great if it were proven that the ingredients were indeed Russian. Now our scientists are saying they cannot prove it conclusively.
My mad Brexit conspiracy is that we were lied to and didn’t anticipate what is happening and what could potentially happen.
This is totally different to Brexit, but we are in a similar position of not knowing what is going on, or where this can lead to.
Tbf even if we have conclusive proof what does it matter to Putin?She is in love with Putin. He can do no wrong in her eyes. I see him as an odious, corrupt and very dangerous man.
Have stopped arguing the toss with her now on it. It's like talking to a brick wall.
I simply want conclusive proof and if we have it we should say 'Russia ARE responsible,' or There is no doubt that Russians carried out this attack.'
'Highly likely' would be laughed out of court in a trial and that is why I used that analogy.
When we talked of the WMD we said Saddam DID have WMD.
I do think this statement today doesn't make anything clearer.
We don’t have to do anything - soon some other group will no doubt say they did it - mr Putin has no weapons of course he said so
Tbf even if we have conclusive proof what does it matter to Putin?
Fuck all because the Russians believe what Putin wants them to believe.
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
So you think our allies have taken the word of May and batty Boris, and they have no intelligence of their own regarding Russia?It matters to our government and the people that support us and/ or are opposed to Russian dirty tricks.
My mad Brexit conspiracy is that we were lied to and didn’t anticipate what is happening and what could potentially happen.
So you think our allies have taken the word of May and batty Boris, and they have no intelligence of their own regarding Russia?
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
But you come across as being convinced you are so absolutely right on Brexit...like you know for fact what will happen!
Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
Who knows, but have a read of the transcript of the High Court aoplication to take Blood from the victims.So you think our allies have taken the word of May and batty Boris, and they have no intelligence of their own regarding Russia?
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
So if I shoot someone with a Kalashnikov rifle that makes me a Russian assassin does it because Kalashnikov rifles were invented in Russia?Who knows, but have a read of the transcript of the High Court aoplication to take Blood from the victims.
The Portland Down specialist describes it as a 'Novichock like nerve agent or something Closely related '.
I think that was around the 21st-22nd of March, Boris was quoted in a German publication stating PD had told him unequivically it was Novichock.
And I do keep answering you.No you aren’t as I’ve asked 5 times what you would define as proof and you are incapable of articulating a response.
If you know that, don't you think the Russians know it too? And they would have made sure to use potassium from some other source. Do you think they are stupid?Yes, well that is a possible explanation as the scientist that I heard said they can pinpoint the origin of the potassium element, and now another scientist says they cannot prove that it came from Russia. It means we have to have something else conclusive. Difficult if we don’t want to give some sources away.
If you know that, don't you think the Russians know it too? And they would have made sure to use potassium from some other source. Do you think they are stupid?
They probably have an entire Government department devoted to developing and delivering untraceable poisons.
If you know that, don't you think the Russians know it too? And they would have made sure to use potassium from some other source. Do you think they are stupid?
They probably have an entire Government department devoted to developing and delivering untraceable poisons.
And I do keep answering you.
Something more than 'highly likely.'
Saying 'Highly likely' is not any kind of definitive proof.
I am not a scientist, nor am I a member of the secret services, rhe intelligence services, or the security services.
You want my expert opinion when I have absolutely no technical expertise in this field?
You also have zero technical expertise either.
Come on here, you are not dumb, so why play that card?
How can anyone who has no knowledge of this field state what constitutes proof? Impossible .
Read Wingy's post above. We cannot exactly pinpoint the source, yet our Boris was saying we HAD the unequivocal, undoubtable proof.
THEY know what constitutes proof. Us plebs on a football forum do not.
Read the statement that came out yesterday again. Read what Wingy just said.
When this first happened it was stated that they would be able to trace the agent to the very lab where it was manufactured. Porton Down laboratory have now said they could not verify the precise source of the nerve agent used.
'Could not verify the precise source' is NOT proof and it is no wonder the Russians are laughing at us.
Of you think not being able to verify the exact source is proof, you live in a very strange and weird world.
The government must know we needed more than being highly likely and were obviously expecting something more definitive and exact from the lab research.
They haven't got it. The statement yester day clearly doesn't help the case to suggest a burden of proof.
Consider this.
The statement says it’s a state sponsored act. The government says it has other evidence to go along with this.
This evidence has been shared with world leaders. This evidence has led to a unified conclusion that Russia are the antigonists.
My conclusion is that if the likes of the US military intelligence, the European leaders, the Australians have all formed the same conclusions of evidence that has been presented to them then they may be able to form a better conclusion than Otis from a football forum.
For most people it is enough and it’s case closed.
Yep.8 EU countries and our closest allies backed our actions. The rest of the world are keeping quiet. Corbyn is a privy councilor and has access to the same information and wants more proof. So for most of the world and the opposition leader it is not case closed.
8 EU countries and our closest allies backed our actions. The rest of the world are keeping quiet. Corbyn is a privy councilor and has access to the same information and wants more proof. So for most of the world and the opposition leader it is not case closed.
Yep.
I sincerely hope they do conclusively prove it to be true.
I am indeed.Are you an expert in this field?
I am indeed.
Not going to keep arguing the toss. Luckily, I am not you.Good so what proof will you require a d if it means revealing official secrets and a breach of the official secrets act and put lives at risk would you be comfortable with that?
Not going to keep arguing the toss. Luckily, I am not you.
If they know for certain then they should come out and say it WAS Russia and not just say it is highly likely it was Russia.
Big difference. The actual wording leaves room for doubt and the statement yesterday from Porton Down just perpetuates that doubt.
My last post on the subject.
I know you will reply, so go knock yourself out with it.
They should simply say that they have proof that it is Russia. Russia are laughing at the very phrase 'highly likely.'
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?