Nobody mention the moon landingsFucking hell we’re really through the looking glass here.
I think your missing the point, I'm not saying she didn't break the law.She has thousands of followers and the post was shared almost a thousand times, viewed by hundreds of thousands of people.
Whether or not someone acted on her deranged calls for violence does not diminish the seriousness of the crime - it would only make it worse.
I’m sure you have empathy for her daughter she’s done nothing wrongMaybe she’ll reconsider breaking the law next time. No time for people inciting violence during an active riot. Sorry.
As multiple people have pointed out by literally copying and pasting the law in question, the punishment did fit the crime.I think your missing the point, I'm not saying she didn't break the law.
I'm saying the punishment has to fit the crime.
We arnt aware of anybody acting on her words, there is zero proof that I'm aware of, of any one actually burning anything down after being inspired to do so by her.
Should she face some form of punishment for her post ... yes, but a prison term seems excessive, especially in light of the early release of prisoners who have performed such acts of violence in order to make room for people who havnt.
Justice for the victims would be a start.
We know the horrendous crimes were committed, why were there no prosecutions when the perpetrators are known to the police?
It’s a fact people did go out and attack migrant hotelsI think even fewer of us would of acted upon a social media post
The starting point for the sentence is 3 years imprisonmentI think your missing the point, I'm not saying she didn't break the law.
I'm saying the punishment has to fit the crime.
We arnt aware of anybody acting on her words, there is zero proof that I'm aware of, of any one actually burning anything down after being inspired to do so by her.
Should she face some form of punishment for her post ... yes, but a prison term seems excessive, especially in light of the early release of prisoners who have performed such acts of violence in order to make room for people who havnt.
All caused by starmers 1986 legislation and sentencing guidelines updated in 2020 of courseAs multiple people have pointed out by literally copying and pasting the law in question, the punishment did fit the crime.
Whether anyone was directly inspired to act does not make the incitement itself less serious. There is no “tree falls in the woods” clause here. You are of course free to launder her reputation and do damage control as you see fit, but until you get that basic point, you won’t be any closer to understanding why the sentence was what it was.
Perhaps we want to be sure it doesn't happen again. These rape gangs enjoyed immunity for years because authorities were to scared to get involvedThere were prosecutions, there have been multiple rounds in e.g. Rochdale. If you want to prosecute people you don't do it via public inquiry.
Fatso please read the appeal transcript I’d be really interested in your thoughts after reading itI think your missing the point, I'm not saying she didn't break the law.
I'm saying the punishment has to fit the crime.
We arnt aware of anybody acting on her words, there is zero proof that I'm aware of, of any one actually burning anything down after being inspired to do so by her.
Should she face some form of punishment for her post ... yes, but a prison term seems excessive, especially in light of the early release of prisoners who have performed such acts of violence in order to make room for people who havnt.
I think we have enough from the enquiry that cost £80mn or so to complete which Lee Anderson and priti Patel and suella Braverman did nothing about enacting the recommendations fromPerhaps we want to be sure it doesn't happen again. These rape gangs enjoyed immunity for years because authorities were to scared to get involved
Perhaps we want to be sure it doesn't happen again. These rape gangs enjoyed immunity for years because authorities were to scared to get involved
Maybe it's an understanding of the way thing's work for that kind,if he's ever had his arm twisted or been corrupted by financial choices on a public body?The part of her defence that relates to mistrust of persons of authority is strange for somebody married to a Tory councillor imo
That seems crazy. It gives the judges no leeway. It looks like she was poorly advised to plead guilty, as it took the sentence out of the judges hands.The starting point for the sentence is 3 years imprisonment
The starting point
It looks to me like she had excellent advice but thought that being married to a conservative councillor would mean they wouldn’t throw the book at her and worse the appeal was poorly made and wasn’t rational or logicalThat seems crazy. It gives the judges no leeway. It looks like she was poorly advised to plead guilty, as it took the sentence out of the judges hands.
I'll read through the transcript as soon as I get some time, thanks for linking it.
I don’t suppose he would still have any influence as an ex DPS, would he? Oh, and current PM with all the dynamism of a dormouse.She pleaded guilty? What's it got to do with Starmer?
Have you read the appealI don’t suppose he would still have any influence as an ex DPS, would he? Oh, and current PM with all the dynamism of a dormouse.
OTTThe starting point for the sentence is 3 years imprisonment
The starting point
No, as you are well aware we have an independent judiciary in this country. It's a major part of the UK's soft power and standing in the world.I don’t suppose he would still have any influence as an ex DPS, would he? Oh, and current PM with all the dynamism of a dormouse.
That seems crazy. It gives the judges no leeway. It looks like she was poorly advised to plead guilty, as it took the sentence out of the judges hands.
I'll read through the transcript as soon as I get some time, thanks for linking it.
He has little/ no empathy with anyone who does not comply 100% with his view of the world. Is looking forward to the world of 1984 to be fully adopted as the framework for UK governance. Perhaps with a little Clockwork Orange thrown in for fun.I’m sure you have empathy for her daughter she’s done nothing wrong
Soft power and standing?No, as you are well aware we have an independent judiciary in this country. It's a major part of the UK's soft power and standing in the world.
He has little/ no empathy with anyone who does not comply 100% with his view of the world.
Are you saying you'd prefer courts that are influenced by government?Soft power and standing?
Starmer somehow managing to be both a timid leader with no authority, yet also an omnipotent authoritarian with sweeping powers over the judiciary. All in the space of one post.I don’t suppose he would still have any influence as an ex DPS, would he? Oh, and current PM with all the dynamism of a dormouse.
I’m sure you have empathy for her daughter she’s done nothing wrong
It has been said she took the legal advice to plead guilty believing it was the surest and quickest way to return to her family life and 12 yr old daughter, but it was turned out to be quite the opposite.
I don’t know about you but I’ve never called for people to be murdered by being burnt alive.I think people feel the sentence doesn't reflect the crime, I'm not saying that a crime wasn't committed, clearly it was.
But (imo) releasing other prisoners, some of whom have committed far worse offenses and then imprisoning a mother for a post seems to be very OTT.
How many of us have said something in the heat of the moment that we later regret,
(Like "will you marry me")
In this case, once you post on the cesspit of social media, it's there for everyone to see.
What families is she referring to?Is it a bit stupid? Yes.
However, anyone in this current day and age that thinks this is worth 31 months in prison frankly shouldn't be permitted to vote.
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Given the shock at the recent local election results, I would add that most of you do not reflect the opinion of the majority of the country with your outrage about this case.
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