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So who's going to be our new manager then? (1 Viewer)

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skybluefred

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #36
CCFC said:
He'd have got us promoted out of this awful division that's for sure. He wouldn't struggle to get results against teams which have budgets half of ours.
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What exactly is our budget? because none of it has been spent on buying decent players. I also doubt the young Fergie would have had any more success
with our squad than any other manager.
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #37
I don't think that with our current owners we can attract any one of a high calibre. If Elvis was replaced we would probably end up with the usual mercenaries looking for one last pay day. Added to this most would want a change of playing staff so Sisu would not want to support this. Elvis has a thankless task, he is always shopping for cast offs, OBrian being the exception. Until you can get the players you want and not what you are given, even if they are in that mould, you are always fighting a loosing battle. It's a change of owner or investment that is needed, then and only then can you judge a manager. It must be a hard job trying to make a silk purse from a sows ear. Building a team needs stability, not short term loans and short journeyman contracts, these players are available for a reason and it's not because their the best at what they do. At least Pressley wants to be here and wants to do right by the club and the fans, it's Sisu that doesn't.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #38
CCFC said:
He'd have got us promoted out of this awful division that's for sure. He wouldn't struggle to get results against teams which have budgets half of ours.
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People should look at some of the squads of teams who are doing better.

Look at Rochdale - strikers are Jack Muldoon a 25 year old who played previously for north ferriby united and Worksop town and Reuben Noble-Lazarus a loan (heaven forbid) with 4 career goals. Yes Pressley has his hands tied he only has nouble Madine Mcquiod Jackson and Tudgay to pick from.
 

skybluefred

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #39
Grendel said:
He would have fared a lot better as he is a better manager obviously.
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He was no different to Pressley when he first came to England, a wet behind the ears young recruit.
the major difference being he was able to throw money around like confetti, a luxury that CCFC's managers have not had.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #40
skybluefred said:
What exactly is our budget? because none of it has been spent on buying decent players. I also doubt the young Fergie would have had any more success
with our squad than any other manager.
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No Pressley has blown it on players that currently look like overpaid crap (although that may be due to the managers poor tactics)

And if you doubt that Ferguson couldn't have done any better (young or not), then I have nothing else to say to you. It's not worth my time.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #41
skybluefred said:
He was no different to Pressley when he first came to England, a wet behind the ears young recruit.
the major difference being he was able to throw money around like confetti, a luxury that CCFC's managers have not had.
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Didn't he manage and have some success with Aberdeen first ?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #42
skybluefred said:
He was no different to Pressley when he first came to England, a wet behind the ears young recruit.
the major difference being he was able to throw money around like confetti, a luxury that CCFC's managers have not had.
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Yea you know, there was only those three league titles he won and the European cup he won with Aberdeen.

Pressleys greatest success is getting Falkirk relegated from the scottish top tier.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #43
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
I don't think that with our current owners we can attract any one of a high calibre. If Elvis was replaced we would probably end up with the usual mercenaries looking for one last pay day. Added to this most would want a change of playing staff so Sisu would not want to support this. Elvis has a thankless task, he is always shopping for cast offs, OBrian being the exception. Until you can get the players you want and not what you are given, even if they are in that mould, you are always fighting a loosing battle. It's a change of owner or investment that is needed, then and only then can you judge a manager. It must be a hard job trying to make a silk purse from a sows ear. Building a team needs stability, not short term loans and short journeyman contracts, these players are available for a reason and it's not because their the best at what they do. At least Pressley wants to be here and wants to do right by the club and the fans, it's Sisu that doesn't.
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Correct.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #44
skybluefred said:
He was no different to Pressley when he first came to England, a wet behind the ears young recruit.
the major difference being he was able to throw money around like confetti, a luxury that CCFC's managers have not had.
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Yes so wet behind the ears he'd managed a team that won a European trophy beating Bayern Munjch and Real Madrid.

Oh dear.
 

Paxman II

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #45
Fergie was a game away from being fired at UTD. A terrible beginning but they let it ride and gave him some time during a period when managers were not such throw away commodities! The rest is history.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #46
wingy said:
Didn't he manage and have some success with Aberdeen first ?
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Alex ferguson

Aberdeen
  • Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
  • Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
  • Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86
  • Drybrough Cup (1): 1980
  • UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83
  • UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983
Steven Pressley
Falkirk
  • Scottish Challenge Cup (1): 2011-12 (JPT equivalent)
 

Paxman II

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #47
The only way you could change things in the short term is by endangering the long term Quick fixes do not work out well.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #48
Paxman II said:
The only way you could change things in the short term is by endangering the long term Quick fixes do not work out well.
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So you'd have stuck with Andy Thorn then?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #49
Grendel said:
So you'd have stuck with Andy Thorn then?
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Surely AT was a quick fix?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #50
Frankly the idea the SP is similar to when Ferguson arrived in England is the most ludicrous thing I've read since it was suggested that Marlon King should play for England or that Andy Thorn is the best manager since Jimmy Hill.
 

Paxman II

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #51
Andy Thorn was always a 'quick fix' gamble was he not that merely suited the moment and out pouring of the fans to give him a go?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #52
CCFC said:
Frankly the idea the SP is similar to when Ferguson arrived in England is the most ludicrous thing I've read since it was suggested that Marlon King should play for England or that Andy Thorn is the best manager since Jimmy Hill.
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Sky blue John did once say thorn was ahead of his time and ferguson was copying his diamond formation.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #53
Paxman II said:
Andy Thorn was always a 'quick fix' gamble was he not?
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No he was given a long term contract. Boothroyd - stuck with him would you?
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #54
CCFC said:
No Pressley has blown it on players that currently look like overpaid crap (although that may be due to the managers poor tactics)

And if you doubt that Ferguson couldn't have done any better (young or not), then I have nothing else to say to you. It's not worth my time.
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Are they really overpaid? Or is the going rate for a crap player. Trouble is we have a few too many on the pitch at the same time.
 

Paxman II

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #55
Actually yes I would have stuck with Boothroyd yes. We keep changing managers like the weather. Boothroyd had good form at our level and I'm glad you mentioned him because that's a classic example. SISU have and always will be the major problem. They get into a situation where they need another quick fix....I hope they hold their nerve this time and give the man time. We have nothing to lose at the moment to build for the future.
Those that advocate a change are in hope of a rally and promotion. That would probably bring immediate relegation again. We need to build.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #56
LJC_CCFC said:
PMSL And it's Gradi.
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Many thanks for correcting my spelling of Gradi, and I'd try either Pampers or Huggies for your Bladder problem. Have a nice evening
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #57
Paxman II said:
Actually yes I would have stuck with Boothroyd yes. We keep changing managers like the weather. Boothroyd had good form at our level and I'm glad you mentioned him because that's a classic example. SISU have and always will be the major problem. They get into a situation where they need another quick fix....I hope they hold their nerve this time and give the man time. We have nothing to lose at the moment to build for the future.
Those that advocate a change are in hope of a rally and promotion. That would probably bring immediate relegation again. We need to build.
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You're not allowed to blame SISU. They're going to get SP's replacement right then its Premier League here we come. Woooo Hoooo!
 

spider_ricoh

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #58
Grendel said:
So you'd have stuck with Andy Thorn then?
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Yes and I would bring him back if SP is sacked.

CCFC said:
Frankly the idea the SP is similar to when Ferguson arrived in England is the most ludicrous thing I've read since it was suggested that Marlon King should play for England or that Andy Thorn is the best manager since Jimmy Hill.
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Both comments by me - the first in error not realising he had ludicrously played for Jamaica. The second is fair enough really.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #59
@ Grendel...Sorry mate but you're wrong. Thorne was given a 12 month rolling contract.
 

ajsccfc

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #60
I'm all for the idea of Pressley being given adequate time and all, but the notion that he's doing as well as anyone else possibly could with the same players is ludicrous. We were on the cusp of the top six at one point with the same players who now are flirting with relegation. At some point he has to be responsible for managing a football team regardless of circumstance.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #61
Paxman II said:
Actually yes I would have stuck with Boothroyd yes. We keep changing managers like the weather. Boothroyd had good form at our level and I'm glad you mentioned him because that's a classic example. SISU have and always will be the major problem. They get into a situation where they need another quick fix....I hope they hold their nerve this time and give the man time. We have nothing to lose at the moment to build for the future.
Those that advocate a change are in hope of a rally and promotion. That would probably bring immediate relegation again. We need to build.
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If I could see flashes of a good team, or a steady improvement under Pressley I'd agree but I personally can't see it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #62
ajsccfc said:
I'm all for the idea of Pressley being given adequate time and all, but the notion that he's doing as well as anyone else possibly could with the same players is ludicrous. We were on the cusp of the top six at one point with the same players who now are flirting with relegation. At some point he has to be responsible for managing a football team regardless of circumstance.
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Yeah, it's safe to say the first team is underperforming, badly.

Now if that's balanced by him sorting out the club structure, academy, and setting out a well-drilled progression then that's probably a case for him staying.

You could also make a case that employees can't help but notice the turmoil behind the scenes, and that rubs off. That too could be a case for keeping him.

But... the first team is underperforming, no doubt.
 

covmark

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #63
Sky Blue Kid said:
Many thanks for correcting my spelling of Gradi, and I'd try either Pampers or Huggies for your Bladder problem. Have a nice evening
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I don't like this new and improved Sky Blue Kid. Can we have the old one back that can't quote and hurls abuse at any given moment.
 

LJC_CCFC

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #64
Sky Blue Kid said:
Many thanks for correcting my spelling of Gradi, and I'd try either Pampers or Huggies for your Bladder problem. Have a nice evening
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Tbh I'm sure Dario Gradi would uproot himself from his position at Crewe, where he is a God-like figure to come to Coventry. Great shout.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #65
Paxman II said:
Fergie was a game away from being fired at UTD. A terrible beginning but they let it ride and gave him some time during a period when managers were not such throw away commodities! The rest is history.
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And the player credited with saving Fergies Utd career? None other than Mark Robins. He scored the winner in the 91 Cup Final replay with suggestions that Fergie was on his way out if he didn't win the cup.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

johnniericoh

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #66
covboy1987 said:
SP is the most dedicated and passionate manager around - as seen once again yesterday in the tunnel area being physically held after a bust up with the Walsall player's manset being his main target -he does really care and demands 100%- everyone has an opinion but SP is working with what he has got - changing managers will not solve any problems as i am sure he would be rather working with last years players top of the league and playing in front of 25,000 + than having to manage average players and playing in front of 8,000- is this really his fault
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Let us not forget the great Fergie went over three years before first Man U trophy - FA cup win against C Palace in 1989/90 season
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #67
spider_ricoh said:
Yes and I would bring him back if SP is sacked.



Both comments by me - the first in error not realising he had ludicrously played for Jamaica. The second is fair enough really.
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Ha ha ha ha - I knew it CJ Parker - ha ha ha ha!!!!
 

Paxman II

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #68
ajsccfc said:
I'm all for the idea of Pressley being given adequate time and all, but the notion that he's doing as well as anyone else possibly could with the same players is ludicrous. We were on the cusp of the top six at one point with the same players who now are flirting with relegation. At some point he has to be responsible for managing a football team regardless of circumstance.
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The same players...are you sure?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #69
Paxman II said:
The same players...are you sure?
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After the first 7 games yes and without Madine.
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 30, 2014
  • #70
spider_ricoh said:
Yes and I would bring him back if SP is sacked.
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I literally haven't laughed so much in ages...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 
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