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SISU Statement - Article From Sky Sports (2 Viewers)

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Nick

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  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #36
Oh, it also explains the "Desperation" and what was being built up to doesn't it?

Can see why people went into "overdrive" in the past few weeks, exactly the same as when the Higgs news and others was coming.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #37
I find it hard to take a great deal of it at face value, but even looking back before the sisu tenure the council almost give the impression that they resent the idea of the city having a football team.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #38
Nick said:
Oh, it also explains the "Desperation" and what was being built up to doesn't it?

Can see why people went into "overdrive" in the past few weeks, exactly the same as when the Higgs news and others was coming.
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Its still very worrying
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #39
skybluegod said:
As others have said if SISU are spouting more shit, then the council need to call their bluff now. No media arguments or PR campaigns. Just say they will negotiate in good faith on the premise of the above statement.
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It's as simple as that isn't it?

With things like the Butts the council said they would help out if the legals were dropped, there's the offer to have them dropped in return for a bit of help.

Obviously if SISU expect the council to pay for it for SISU to own it all then it isn't classed as "reasonable terms".

Over to the council to call their bluff.
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #40
Ball is firmly back in the Councils court now.
 
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ccfchoi87

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #41
I did notice a line about EFL regulations restricting where they could build the new ground. I wonder how far away they were considering.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #42
Interesting perspective from Joy Seppala. When she asks to build a stadium in the city on "reasonable terms" from CCC......is she asking for "State aid"? I thought that was one of the legal cases they pursued.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #43
I notice a lot of the reaction is "this shows they are 100% taking it all the way to court".

Does that mean people have no faith the council would back a new stadium and Wasps would do a short / medium term rent deal for the legals to be dropped?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #44
There are two balls in the council court

Call their bluff,
Or
Do nothing.... I suspect that is what they will do

Not sure it will change much for ccc

Statement should play well to other clubs when it comes a vote though
 
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Frank Sidebottom

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #45
The only place I can think of for a new ground in the city is on the land between the Ricoh and the M6.... Can we build a 10000 seater round there somewhere put black and yellow seats and then swap with wasps for the Ricoh?
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #46
ACL wanted a % on tickets sold?!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #47
oldskyblue58 said:
There are two balls in the council court

Call their bluff,
Or
Do nothing.... I suspect that is what they will do

Statement should play well to other clubs when it comes a vote though
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Doing nothing would surely contradict all of the things Duggins has been saying though? He has been saying that the council will help with lots of things if the legals are dropped.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #48
If only this all could be taken on face value. It seems a reasonable response from sisu. However, we all know the history. Fingers crossed the grown ups can work something out for the good of the club. I can genuinely never envision a sisu built ccfc stadium though. As much as I'd welcome it.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #49
oldskyblue58 said:
There are two balls in the council court

Call their bluff,
Or
Do nothing.... I suspect that is what they will do

Not sure it will change much for ccc

Statement should play well to other clubs when it comes a vote though
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I have zero concern about the vote very few team will vote against us only the relegated teams from league one and two, to many teams have to much revenue to lose from our away following to vote us out
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #50
I assume this has been through lawyers several times and they therefore have documents to back up all the claims made.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #51
Skybluefaz said:
If only this all could be taken on face value. It seems a reasonable response from sisu. However, we all know the history. Fingers crossed the grown ups can work something out for the good of the club. I can genuinely never envision a sisu built ccfc stadium though. As much as I'd welcome it.
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It reads to me like an olive branch, however it reads as if they have been saying that to the council / wasps and they still aren't having it

Crucially Seppala said SISU will drop all legal action against Coventry City Council IF

  • Councillors support a brand new stadium development within the city "on reasonable terms" and
  • They can agree a deal with Wasps to stay at the Ricoh Arena until the new stadium is completed.
In the document, SISU say this offer has been on the table, but have so far failed to find agreement.
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If that offer has been on the table, why wouldn't the council explore it at least?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #52
Liquid Gold said:
I assume this has been through lawyers several times and they therefore have documents to back up all the claims made.
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I was thinking that, some of the figures are quite specific. Any way to trace them in accounts?

Between early 2012 and August 2012, ACL continued to receive full rent, dropping to an agreed reduced amount from August onwards. In total, from late March 2012 to March 2013, ACL received over £850,000 in rental payments, which whilst not the full total of the £1.3m rent, was significantly higher than any other League 1 and Championship football club rents. Without match-day income (which all went to ACL), it was all the Club could afford to pay.
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If they were wrong factually, they are far too easy for ACL / Council to bat away aren't they?
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #53
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
To be fair they could put pressure on the council by naming the sites they allegedly had ready to buy. We can see whether it was pie in the sky ideas or whether the council are being dicks.

One thing I can think of is if we build a new stadium and Wasps go tits up, they’re scared the Ricoh will be a white elephant. Therefore not in the councils interest
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Not out of the question. London Wasps are definitely in trouble and if we had our own home the Ricoh would fall to the council and be a cash drain or be knocked down.
 

skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #54
Nick said:
It's as simple as that isn't it?

With things like the Butts the council said they would help out if the legals were dropped, there's the offer to have them dropped in return for a bit of help.

Obviously if SISU expect the council to pay for it for SISU to own it all then it isn't classed as "reasonable terms".

Over to the council to call their bluff.
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Exactly 100%.

You are right depends on the view of reasonable. I would like to hope Sisu are being sincere, time to move forward, we have been stuck in this rut for 11 years. Let's move forward.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #55
I bet the council are feeling extremely uncomfortable now trying to find the words to put this back in SISUs court and shift blame.

Would a site in another councils district be too far away? Warwickshire councils land comes pretty much to the edge of the city, doesn’t it?


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skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #56
ccfchoi87 said:
I did notice a line about EFL regulations restricting where they could build the new ground. I wonder how far away they were considering.
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We know for a fact they inquired about Brandon.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #57
djr8369 said:
I bet the council are feeling extremely uncomfortable now trying to find the words to put this back in SISUs court and shift blame.

Would a site in another councils district be too far away? Warwickshire councils land comes pretty much to the edge of the city, doesn’t it?


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Boundaries | Maps | Coventry City Council

Cov welsh is in Nuneaton and Bedworth according to this.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #58
djr8369 said:
I bet the council are feeling extremely uncomfortable now trying to find the words to put this back in SISUs court and shift blame.

Would a site in another councils district be too far away? Warwickshire councils land comes pretty much to the edge of the city, doesn’t it?


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There are areas like Rugby / Warwick / Nuneaton and Bedworth etc on the borders.

I'd say the council were trying their hardest to shift blame for the past few weeks - Whiff of Desperation, something happening?
 

skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #59
Nick said:
It reads to me like an olive branch, however it reads as if they have been saying that to the council / wasps and they still aren't having it



If that offer has been on the table, why wouldn't the council explore it at least?
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Yep, either there is a Vendetta against the club/sisu or there is something Sisu are hiding. One is just as likely as the other.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #60
skybluegod said:
Yep, either there is a Vendetta against the club/sisu or there is something Sisu are hiding. One is just as likely as the other.
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Think that's why the council reply will be telling.
 
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wince

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #61
Why would you drop the legals after all this time and money, think its more of in a few weeks , Sisu will have nowhere to play and maybe the court case will have ran its course , What terms can the council offer?, Think SISU are in Last chance saloon , but if they did sell I think the council would still hinder the football club the way they have Coventry city center nightlife the last 30 years
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #62
wince said:
Why would you drop the legals after all this time and money, think its more of in a few weeks , Sisu will have nowhere to play and maybe the court case will have ran its course , What terms can the council offer?, Think SISU are in Last chance saloon , but if they did sell I think the council would still hinder the football club the way they have Coventry city center nightlife the last 30 years
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It would be interesting to know how long SISU's offer to drop the legals has been on the table.

Whether it's a few months or days.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #63
wince said:
Why would you drop the legals after all this time and money, think its more of in a few weeks , Sisu will have nowhere to play and maybe the court case will have ran its course , What terms can the council offer?, Think SISU are in Last chance saloon , but if they did sell I think the council would still hinder the football club the way they have Coventry city center nightlife the last 30 years
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Sisu don't play anywhere. They have an office in kensington. CCFC will have nowhere to play.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #64
What about the King's Hill area just near Stoneleigh? That is in Warwick District Council, but adjacent to the CCC boundary, and they are planning on building 1500 houses there. Could include a stadium. There is also the Warwickshire Gateway site between the A45 and the airport - this is in Warwick District too, and a massive area of development ...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #65
Liquid Gold said:
Sisu don't play anywhere. They have an office in kensington. CCFC will have nowhere to play.
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It's OK, it will be like shooting fish in a barrel when people appear all of a sudden
 

skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #66
wince said:
Why would you drop the legals after all this time and money, think its more of in a few weeks , Sisu will have nowhere to play and maybe the court case will have ran its course , What terms can the council offer?, Think SISU are in Last chance saloon , but if they did sell I think the council would still hinder the football club the way they have Coventry city center nightlife the last 30 years
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Even if the most recent court case gets chucked, with no chance to appeal. I would argue that they have another ready and waiting, on the premise Coventry were told the sale of the Ricoh to wasps would not affect the club.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #67
Tbf no matter how much work they’ve put into plans for a new stadium it’s probably a bluff to force a better rent and revenue deal.


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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #68
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
What about the King's Hill area just near Stoneleigh? That is in Warwick District Council, but adjacent to the CCC boundary, and they are planning on building 1500 houses there. Could include a stadium. There is also the Warwickshire Gateway site between the A45 and the airport - this is in Warwick District too, and a massive area of development ...
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Ha ha ha ha ha. You'll struggle to get a house built there let alone a football stadium
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #69
skybluegod said:
We know for a fact they inquired about Brandon.
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And this one:
Inquiry about football stadium build
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2019
  • #70
Nick said:
It reads to me like an olive branch, however it reads as if they have been saying that to the council / wasps and they still aren't having it



If that offer has been on the table, why wouldn't the council explore it at least?
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Because the council are a bunch of clowns in way over their heads and it's just us and them now.
 
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