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Sisu gone on Monday? Yanks are coming! (1 Viewer)

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Otis

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #211
So, well done, give us a Twirl.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #212
button it
 

steve82

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #213
Brylowes said:
That's a point George Micheal could afford us,
Or maybe it's Cadburys.
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Otis said:
Do you purposely mention Cadbury's because this news filtering through is very flakey?
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Cadburys.... Keeps coming back to American ownership. It's a sign!!!!

And we've Mcbean on loan too!!!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #214
steve82 said:
Cadburys.... Keeps coming back to American ownership. It's a sign!!!!

And we've Mcbean on loan too!!!
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Maybe he is under cover for aeg
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #215
If anyone offers do not accept a Twinky, it isn't what you think!
Nick said:
Maybe he is under cover for aeg
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I wondered about that connection, but they are mainly sports/entertainment stadium operators, big ones too.
SISU don't have a stadium, unless AEG have agents working to find a site.
They have built stadia themselves but generally take over existing ones.
Certainly mentioned by Fisher in relation to running the Ricoh in the days when ownership was still with Council/Higgs.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #216
Captain Dart said:
If anyone offers do not accept a Twinky, it isn't what you think!


I wondered about that connection, but they are mainly sports/entertainment stadium operators, big ones too.
SISU don't have a stadium, unless AEG have agents working to find a site.
They have built stadia themselves but generally take over existing ones.
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Butts, speedway? No idea or facts just random speculation
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #217
Nick said:
Butts, speedway? No idea or facts just random speculation
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Don't think Speedway/Football really mix. Speedway can host a semi-pro op & training facilities in a ground but a football stadium needs fans to be much closer than a track round the pitch would allow or the atmosphere is spoiled.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #218
Captain Dart said:
Don't think Speedway/Football really mix. Speedway can host a semi-pro op & training facilities in a ground but a football stadium needs fans to be much closer than a track round the pitch would allow or the atmosphere is spoiled.
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Never heard of sliding pitches??
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #219
Captain Dart said:
I wondered about that connection, but they are mainly sports/entertainment stadium operators, big ones too.
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They are also co-founders of the MLS and have owned or had a stake in Chicago Fire, New York / New Jersey MetroStars, D.C. United, San Jose Earthquakes and Houston Dynamo. They currently own LA Galaxy.

They also own ice hockey teams in North America and Europe.

That said given their main business it would be odd for them to move into English football with a team without a stadium, although they certainly have the finances to build a new one.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #220
Nick said:
Never heard of sliding pitches??
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Your are in the world of Gerry Anderson.. like Santa its not real :angelic:
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #221
The original design for the arena was for a state-of-the-art 45,000 capacity stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch that could slide out to reveal a hard floor for concerts.

Fact.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #222
Nick said:
The original design for the arena was for a state-of-the-art 45,000 capacity stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch that could slide out to reveal a hard floor for concerts.

Fact.
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Wasn't the capacity talked about being higher at one point? Something to do with Wembley needing redeveloping at the time and uncertainty as to wether that would happen so Arena 2000 could double up as the national football stadium?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #223
Nick said:
The original design for the arena was for a state-of-the-art 45,000 capacity stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch that could slide out to reveal a hard floor for concerts.

Fact.
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A snip at only another £50M

skybluetony176 said:
Wasn't the capacity talked about being higher at one point? Something to do with Wembley needing redeveloping at the time and uncertainty as to wether that would happen so Arena 2000 could double up as the national football stadium?
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That was because the money wasn't there to complete as it was and the council hatched a crazy scheme to get the dosh in by replacing Wembley at Coventry. Total non-starter.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ventry-claim-edge-in-bid-for-new-Wembley.html
 
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Pipehitterz

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #224
Don't wanna add to any poor rumors
But I asked the question ' what's going on up there ' to someone in the finance department at ricoh.
Now I don't know which faction of the ricoh, definitely not wasps
Anyways.
The answer was, dunno
But, it's all kicking off.

True story bro.
 
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martcov

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #225
Nick said:
The original design for the arena was for a state-of-the-art 45,000 capacity stadium with a retractable roof and a pitch that could slide out to reveal a hard floor for concerts.

Fact.
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The plan was great. They even had a model of it complete with sliding pitch. I played with that whilst being told we would need it to compete with Barcelona. The sales pitch was great.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #226
Brylowes said:
What did he say ?
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I'm a great agent - look at me - it was puerile self interested promotion.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #227
oucho said:
Once again a decent thread descends into drivel. Is there actually any basis for the 'investors from America' rumour, or not? If yes, tell us more, if no, close thread please.
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Have you changed you avatar to an American actor on the basis it might be true?
 

usskyblue

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #228
Nick said:
there are plenty of American puns.
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....just don't look here if you want funny ones
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #229
Pipehitterz said:
Don't wanna add to any poor rumors
But I asked the question ' what's going on up there ' to someone in the finance department at ricoh.
Now I don't know which faction of the ricoh, definitely not wasps
Anyways.
The answer was, dunno
But, it's all kicking off.

True story bro.
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What, kicking off like 'fight, fight, fight?'
 

SkyBlueRuffian

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #230
skybluetony176 said:
He did say that they'd heard the rumours floating around. I must say when I heard it on CWR today it was the first I'd heard of it and given the amount of "it's all very well getting SISU to sell but who's going to buy it" responses on the SISU petition thread it doesn't sound like I'm the only one on here hearing it for the first time today.

So where exactly have these rumours been floating around?
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Telegraph? WASPS? Jo Elliot? I'd guess somewhere in between that lot.
 
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Frankley

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #231
Captain Dart said:
A snip at only another £50M


That was because the money wasn't there to complete as it was and the council hatched a crazy scheme to get the dosh in by replacing Wembley at Coventry. Total non-starter.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ventry-claim-edge-in-bid-for-new-Wembley.html
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You left out the bit about the council's scheme to have the national football stadium in Coventry didn't involve CCFC playing in it.

See the last paragraph of the attached linked article:

http://www.cwn.org.uk/politics/coventry-city-council/2001/08/010820-national-stadium-boost.htm
 
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Frankley

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #232
skybluetony176 said:
Wasn't the capacity talked about being higher at one point? Something to do with Wembley needing redeveloping at the time and uncertainty as to wether that would happen so Arena 2000 could double up as the national football stadium?
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Nearly right. Where your memory is a little adrift is on the idea of doubling up. If the national stadium had been built where the Ricoh is now CCFC wouldn't be playing there, the plans for a national stadium didn't include us.

http://www.cwn.org.uk/politics/coventry-city-council/2001/08/010820-national-stadium-boost.htm
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #233
skybluetony176 said:
Wasn't the capacity talked about being higher at one point? Something to do with Wembley needing redeveloping at the time and uncertainty as to wether that would happen so Arena 2000 could double up as the national football stadium?
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Frankley said:
Nearly right. Where your memory is a little adrift is on the idea of doubling up. If the national stadium had been built where the Ricoh is now CCFC wouldn't be playing there, the plans for a national stadium didn't include us.

http://www.cwn.org.uk/politics/coventry-city-council/2001/08/010820-national-stadium-boost.htm
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Highfield Road was still standing at that time so happy days.
 
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Frankley

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #234
Captain Dart said:
Highfield Road was still standing at that time so happy days.
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The prospective dumping of the club in favour of a new national football stadium also puts paid to the myth that the council was going all out to help CCFC. The council wanted to build a stadium as it thought it would economically regenerate the north of the city, the club was just a patsy.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #235
Frankley said:
Nearly right. Where your memory is a little adrift is on the idea of doubling up. If the national stadium had been built where the Ricoh is now CCFC wouldn't be playing there, the plans for a national stadium didn't include us.

http://www.cwn.org.uk/politics/coventry-city-council/2001/08/010820-national-stadium-boost.htm
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Funny, I could've sworn we were sneaking in too, but can't argue with what's on the page

I bought into the original Arena 2000 plan. It offered us something different and unique, something that would have made us leaders in technology if nothing else.

Shame it all went to shit. Thing is, once it did go off the rails, we should've just stayed at HR once the move wasn't a significant upgrade.

Actually, as the flats aren't selling overly well around HR, maybe we could buy them all up and rebuild
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #236
Frankley said:
The council wanted to build a stadium as it thought it would economically regenerate the north of the city,
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Yeah, and I suspect ultimately that's how Robinson sold it too, politically. It's not an overly sensible site in so many ways for a new ground, otherwise, given its location and the cost of decontamination.

Also worth noting when we bailed completely, it only got passed by the council once concessions were made for further regeneration. It is, tbf, understandable why a council would want that but... we should at least recognise that, in the same way we (hopefully!) now recognise investment funds are out for themselves!
 
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Frankley

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #237
Deleted member 5849 said:
Funny, I could've sworn we were sneaking in too, but can't argue with what's on the page

I bought into the original Arena 2000 plan. It offered us something different and unique, something that would have made us leaders in technology if nothing else.

Shame it all went to shit. Thing is, once it did go off the rails, we should've just stayed at HR once the move wasn't a significant upgrade.

Actually, as the flats aren't selling overly well around HR, maybe we could buy them all up and rebuild
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Does Patrick Suffo still live in one of those flats, we wouldn't want the club coming into conflict with Coventry United.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #238
Frankley said:
The prospective dumping of the club in favour of a new national football stadium also puts paid to the myth that the council was going all out to help CCFC. The council wanted to build a stadium as it thought it would economically regenerate the north of the city, the club was just a patsy.
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I know that regeneration was the primary aim, but I would say the management of CCFC was cavalier in the extreme embarking on a project to build a grandiose stadium without adequate finance or security. Lets face it they indulged in asset stripping themselves to keep the club in being and eventually Robinson took a hit which I'm sure he was very unhappy about. None of them get any brownie points from me.
 
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Frankley

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #239
Captain Dart said:
I know that regeneration was the primary aim, but I would say the management of CCFC was cavalier in the extreme embarking on a project to build a grandiose stadium without adequate finance or security. Lets face it they asset stripped themselves to keep the club in being.
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I think that probably moves us on to the ins and outs of the Tesco deal and I suspect none of us really know what the truth is about that.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #240
Captain Dart said:
Lets face it they asset stripped themselves to keep the club in being.
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They did... once Richardson left.

Funny really, Grendel gets slaughtered for it, but he has a point. Richardson narrowly missed really. If we'd stayed up, we'd have kept TV cash and maybe been able to fund it. If McGinnity and Robinson had stayed strong the next season, we might have kept it together well enough to sneak a play-off place and get back up. Also unlucky we fell down just as the ITVDigital safety blanket got ripped away, too.

So ultimately it's a board vanity project, but the asset stripping was a project without Richardson there to do it. It's a shame when we protested against him then, we didn't try and get the lot of them out straight away but, ah well, you live and learn I guess. If there'd been a forced sale the season we fell down, can't help but feel we'd have been a *lot* more appealing to serious owners then when Robinson did finally give up the ghost.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #241
Frankley said:
Nearly right. Where your memory is a little adrift is on the idea of doubling up. If the national stadium had been built where the Ricoh is now CCFC wouldn't be playing there, the plans for a national stadium didn't include us.

http://www.cwn.org.uk/politics/coventry-city-council/2001/08/010820-national-stadium-boost.htm
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That wasn't the council
 
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Pipehitterz

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #242
I
Otis said:
What, kicking off like 'fight, fight, fight?'
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tells it how I hears it.
All the facts I have are in that post
 
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Frankley

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #243
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
That wasn't the council
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Somewhere I have a picture of Lucas standing in front of a billboard lorry that the council was using to promote the idea of a national football stadium on Coventry.

The council were the ones really pushing for the national football stadium to be in Coventry, if you don't believe me read this:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/city-bid-for-national-stadium-3180179
 

Otis

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #244
Frankley said:
Somewhere I have a picture of Lucas standing in front of a billboard lorry that the council was using to promote the idea of a national football stadium on Coventry.

The council were the ones really pushing for the national football stadium to be in Coventry, if you don't believe me read this:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/city-bid-for-national-stadium-3180179
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Hang on, slightly unfair there and nicely spun.

This was 2001. We were still at HR. And the not being allowed to play at this national stadium would have had nothing to do with the council. It wouldn't have been a decision of their making.

If you look at it from a city of Coventry perspective, we would have ended up with two stadiums, the national stadium and Highfield Road.

I think in the grand scheme of things it would surely have better for this to have happened for all parties, CCFC included.
 
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Hobo

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  • Sep 25, 2016
  • #245
Nick said:
Never heard of sliding pitches??
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I think the last one was the Baseball Ground November to February, pre and early Clough era?
 
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