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Sisu gone on Monday? Yanks are coming! (1 Viewer)

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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #386
chiefdave said:
Not uncommon in the States for the stadiums to be publically funded. Hopefully any potential American owner realises we're an exception over here and accounts for it in their plans.
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Ah, the franchise model, where local authorities build stadia at huge public cost to entice franchise sports teams to switch locations. Works well for the franchises as they jump from city to city to get the best deals, less so for the authorities and fans. I'm just glad that we don't follow that practice over here. Oh.
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #387
Can I just say though, that much as I'd like it to happen, I'm far from convinced by the rumours. I'm certainly not building any hopes up, personally.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #388
marcusp said:
Unless your a city fan why would anyone want to buy us over any other club in the efl.
You get nothing for your moneyother than a big hole in your pocket for no return without spending a fortune
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Because you see an opportunity. Someone literally could become a hero here such is the hate and toxic atm.

We have been and can be a big team again. We have a massive catchment area. Bigger stadium than most all be it rented for now. Wasps could be in the shit in the future. The brand the name the history.

There are also lost if negatives but I hope my point shows. We aren't perfect. Is anyone?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #389
Kingokings204 said:
Because you see an opportunity. Someone literally could become a hero here such is the hate and toxic atm.

We have been and can be a big team again. We have a massive catchment area. Bigger stadium than most all be it rented for now. Wasps could be in the shit in the future. The brand the name the history.

There are also lost if negatives but I hope my point shows. We aren't perfect. Is anyone?
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You can also see the hate that could happen if it doesn't work.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #390
Kingokings204 said:
Because you see an opportunity.
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So without the emotional response of CCFC, what is our opportunity ahead of, say, Plymouth?
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #391
Deleted member 5849 said:
So without the emotional response of CCFC, what is our opportunity ahead of, say, Plymouth?
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Not a lot looks like they might get promotion
 
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AndreasB

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #392
Not trying to be funny but chances of us being sold by SISU are virtually nil (with or without the Telegraphs pompous petition)

Isn't it better to try and support the team for the next few games and try and get some points on the board?

Not really sure anyone's convinced me being bottom of the table is SISUs fault. Was it due to them we were top last year either?


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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #393
Deleted member 5849 said:
Sometimes I worry though. The desperation to be rid of SISU seems to enable a frenzy that allows others' failings to be glossed over. It'd be horrific if some day they left and we welcomed in a total shyster when... we had no reason to.
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I seem to remember Portsmouth going through a number of owners in a short space of time before fan ownership and each one being worse than the last. I'm always mindful of that prospect.
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #394
AndreasB said:
Not trying to be funny but chances of us being sold by SISU are virtually nil (with or without the Telegraphs pompous petition)

Isn't it better to try and support the team for the next few games and try and get some points on the board?

Not really sure anyone's convinced me being bottom of the table is SISUs fault. Was it due to them we were top last year either?


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Not really sure anyone would want to waste their time convincing you that being bottom of the table is SISUs fault.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #395
skybluetony176 said:
I seem to remember Portsmouth going through a number of owners in a short space of time before fan ownership and each one being worse than the last. I'm always mindful of that prospect.
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Yeah, the way we're set up is the danger that you have to be mad or a chancer to take us on... it's how we ended up with SISU in the first place, because there was no real structure to buy.

It's why the arguments about looking back before SISU are valid... and also the consideration that a clean slate may sometimes be better than the fragments of what we have left - I might just start that thread after lunch for a 'lively chat'
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #396
Deleted member 5849 said:
So without the emotional response of CCFC, what is our opportunity ahead of, say, Plymouth?
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Plymouth? Did you mean Pompey? Historically Coventry is a similar sized club to Portsmouth.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #397
Captain Dart said:
Plymouth? Did you mean Pompey? Historically Coventry is a similar sized club to Portsmouth.
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Nope, I meant Plymouth.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #398
Deleted member 5849 said:
So without the emotional response of CCFC, what is our opportunity ahead of, say, Plymouth?
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Oh don't get me wrong we have plenty on negatives. We are in a very bad position but we can't carry on like this? Something has to change whether it's for better or worse.

Sisu are not going to be here in 18 months time in my opinion unless of course we win every game starting Wednesday at get promoted. But sisu certainly won't be here forever.

My point is either something has to drastically change or a massive bit of luck. I.e getting promoted or winning a court case. Or someone can maybe buy us bottom of the cycle and work up. I am also mindful other owners may not be perfect also.

Was talking on Saturday about Bournemouth and when their bubble bursts when the money dries up with their situation.

Only have to look at Blackpool in league 2 after being in the prem just 7-8 years ago. Much quicker demise than us and they got big money in the prem. Where did all that go? Was that good for Blackpool?

But even Cardiff? Prem 3-4 years ago and a real chance of league 1 this year. Tan bloke in charge? Where did that money go also?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #399
duffer said:
Can I just say though, that much as I'd like it to happen, I'm far from convinced by the rumours. I'm certainly not building any hopes up, personally.
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That's okay, we're not building a stadium either.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #400
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nope, I meant Plymouth.
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Hoe.
 
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Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #401
Given the Telegraph campaign, it is odd that the club have chosen not to roll out the usual 'the club is not for sale' statement.
 
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Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #402
Otis said:
Hoe.
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This is no laughing matter Otis
 

Bruce the Boot

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #403
This all seems very bizarre ! a rumour well there's something new. I'm on my jollies at the moment, is anything being said in the local or national press ?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #404
Samo said:
This is no laughing matter Otis
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If involves Coventry City I'm pretty sure it is.

Let the mirth and merriment ensue.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #405
dongonzalos said:
Did he submit a bid to buy the club?
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No I don't think he did. IIRC he submitted an expression of interest but didn't put in a bid in the end.

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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #406
Samo said:
Given the Telegraph campaign, it is odd that the club have chosen not to roll out the usual 'the club is not for sale' statement.
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They tend to come only when there is genuinely someone sniffing around.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #407
Would be interesting to know what CRFC take is on the goings on last week. Has it affected how they view the potential partnership at BPA, do they feel more or less secure in that partnership? Or the sponsors Allsop & Allsop how do they view what is going on and how it reflects on their brand? .
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #408
Samo said:
Given the Telegraph campaign, it is odd that the club have chosen not to roll out the usual 'the club is not for sale' statement.
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I agree they did before. Very clearly. Wouldn't take much to do that either even though they don't give a shit.

Also is this ban still in place for Wednesday? And after?
 

speedie87

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #409
if owners have to pass fit and proper tests etc, is there anything stopping the F lge saying, sorry you've failed the test, therefore you have to sell the club or we shall transfer the golden share and player registrations to someone else..........
 

Malaka

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #410
How many months did it take for SISU to negotiate the takeover of CCFC? and surely any takeover has to be approved by the Football League, I really cant see this happening, but hope I am wrong
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #411
Captain Dart said:
That is realistic, any new owner need £500m+ wealth backed by an active profitable business that makes money. That excludes Wasps 100% owners wealth more like £30m
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So I don't know tbh...but what about Bournemouth? Fulham? Huddersfield? Birmingham? Burnley? Burton? Their owners have >£500m to wealth & £100m to spare do they? What makes those clubs more attractive to such people than CCFC?
I can't fathom it so I think it might just be a random theory from some self-declared 'expert' somewhere that someone else has latched onto & it's become the Gospel according to whoever perhaps?

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #412
Samo said:
Given the Telegraph campaign, it is odd that the club have chosen not to roll out the usual 'the club is not for sale' statement.
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I would think the best advice being given to SISU is to keep quiet and to ride it out. Lets be honest they are not well known for their communication and its quality. If they came out and made a statement even just "the club is not for sale" then it will only stoke the fires. Keep quiet and at some point the noise ebbs away. Its not as if it is easy for CCFC fans to protest directly against SISU so our owners probably feel protected by the various types of distance in place

Which brings the question, the petition and then what? Whats the CT plan?
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #413
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nope, I meant Plymouth.
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Interestingly, Plymouth's Trust didn't want their owners to buy the ground back off their Council... http://www.argylefanstrust.com/2016/08/26/press-release-26th-august-2016-never-again/ (which they just have for £1.7m...- http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37470868)
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #414
oldskyblue58 said:
I would think the best advice being given to SISU is to keep quiet and to ride it out. Lets be honest they are not well known for their communication and its quality. If they came out and made a statement even just "the club is not for sale" then it will only stoke the fires. Keep quiet and at some point the noise ebbs away. Its not as if it is easy for CCFC fans to protest directly against SISU so our owners probably feel protected by the various types of distance in place

Which brings the question, the petition and then what? Whats the CT plan?
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Do you think they've been listening to best advice for the lat 9 years?
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #415
oldskyblue58 said:
Would be interesting to know what CRFC take is on the goings on last week. Has it affected how they view the potential partnership at BPA, do they feel more or less secure in that partnership? Or the sponsors Allsop & Allsop how do they view what is going on and how it reflects on their brand? .
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I would imagine quite worried especially after what happened to Sandra's brand after getting in bed with them
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #416
Samo said:
Do you think they've been listening to best advice for the lat 9 years?
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that would depend on what they were being advised about eg......

clearly they should never have listened to Ranson and v Onye
I would think the advice on how to break the lease was accurate - but they then pushed it too far

However I think most people if they looked at it from SISU point of view would advise the owners to be quiet and see if this storm passes. Its not a strategy they will find too difficult to accept given that the owners say very little in public in the first place.

Will they listen to a local newspaper and 15k signatories of the petition shouting at them - I doubt it, why would they now suddenly change strategy and engage meaningfully ?
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #417
oldskyblue58 said:
that would depend on what they were being advised about eg......

clearly they should never have listened to Ranson and v Onye
I would think the advice on how to break the lease was accurate - but they then pushed it too far

However I think most people if they looked at it from SISU point of view would advise the owners to be quiet and see if this storm passes. Its not a strategy they will find too difficult to accept given that the owners say very little in public in the first place.

Will they listen to a local newspaper and 15k signatories of the petition shouting at them - I doubt it, why would they now suddenly change strategy and engage meaningfully?
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Agreed. We can only hope the CT's timing is not random but more the start of something they have had a whisper on.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #418
Whilst I also hope it is the start of something new and amazing, you can't help but think we would have heard a lot more from other sources too wouldn't we?

Also, if the Telegraph decide to jump on at the end because they have had a whisper it hardly makes them look very good does it? The same as they did with Sixfields.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #419
Nick said:
Whilst I also hope it is the start of something new and amazing, you can't help but think we would have heard a lot more from other sources too wouldn't we?

Also, if the Telegraph decide to jump on at the end because they have had a whisper it hardly makes them look very good does it? The same as they did with Sixfields.
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Well they'll never admit they had a whisper and claim that their petition (at least in some small part) encouraged SISU's decision to accept an offer.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 26, 2016
  • #420
Yeah but if it happens soonish it is going to be blatantly obvious it wasn't them, the same as Sixfields. They tried their best to get all over the march that wasn't them either.

It is just strange that nobody else has had that Whisper.

Also, if something was happening soonish would Simon be having time off work? You would think any journo would want to be all over it.
 
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