I was at Forest Green (seen all but two games this season). Some of the football has been poor. We have been too defensive. Despite all the negatives I would still want him to stay and build again next season.
I don't think many want him sacked, just more to address those issues and stop being stubborn.
Do you think he will ?
I hope so, but haven't seen signs of it yet.
that's pretty much the track that happens with all managers isn't it
I don't think we have underachieved. You simply can't EXPECT us to succeed in a manager's first full season. There's no rush, give him a few years to figure out what works or not. It will do no good making him work against the clock. It's never worked before.
On the basis that he has not only the best win % of any manager we've had in the past 30 years, but also the 4th as well, then yes.
To currently have the 4th best win % of what, 20 managers in the past 30 years with a squad severely knackered by injuries, is enough for me to keep him now and next season.
This is a blip...every team has bad runs/blips. We're no different. We need to stick by him, have some faith and realise that there's still soooo much to play for this season. Knee jerk reactions are not what we need.
It’s keeping a manager who has brought in his own team and for three quarters of the season (don’t know what will happen in the final quarter) has kept us in contention. If you could guarantee that manager number 11 of the Sisu reign was going to be successful I would be with you. The truth is you can’t give that guarantee just as I can’t be sure Robin’s will succeed. I liked Thorne’s description of the Coventry job as “swimming the Channel with a cooker tied to your back.” It can be argued that none of these managers were given a chance to succeed given the circumstances they worked in, certainly those from Thorne onwards. For once I hope a manager is given time to make mistakes, rectify them and build for success.
Again, I'm not talking NOW but at the end of a hypothetical 12th placed finish with the current set-up.
Finishing lower than 7th is not unacceptable.A lack of expectation and ambition is why we lost the last 3 league games and why some are content with staying in this league for the foreseeable. A top 7 finish was an entirely reasonable expectation.
It is the minimum expectation as far as I am concerned.A lack of expectation and ambition is why we lost the last 3 league games and why some are content with staying in this league for the foreseeable. A top 7 finish was an entirely reasonable expectation.
Finishing lower than 7th is not unacceptable.
Finishing lower than 7th is not unacceptable.
It is with the players and resources at his disposal compared to the vast majority of this division.
It depends on the circumstance.
Disagree.
IMO only to a point. If we lose every game between now and May and finish in 21st, then clearly he'll be lucky o keep his job. But more realistically, if we've been competitive and within reasonable touch of the POs, that is acceptable given the years of mediocrity we have suffered.
Yes but unless we're down below 15th I wouldn't even think of sacking him regardless. My expectations / requirements of a manager just are not as high as some others on here.
I meant over the overall sesaon. Taken together, we have been competitive overall, IMO. If you start analysing tings game-by-game, expecting him to justify his job on a "hand to mouth" basis, it's no surprise our turnover of managers has been so high. I'm arguing that we need to review performances over a longer timeframe; in the grand scheme of things, a few defeats in a row, r even a couple of seasons here or there, doesn't mean much.We haven't been competitive for the last 3 league games and a fair few more.
Without getting into "was Chris Coleman a good manager" again, my argument here is that's unfair to negatively judge any manager until they have had 3 years, unless form is truly catastrophic e.g. 10 defeats in a row. Rebuilding the club will take years and will never happen if we press the reset button by firing the manager every 15 months. I don't get why fans seem to expect instant success, you have to invest for the long term. It's like sacking your gardner because the grass seed hasn't turned into a lawn 3 days after you've sprinkled the seeds. It seems our fans just want results straight away and are not prepared to have faith; they seem to want evidence of progress all the time. It's not realistic.Dead right there. You said Thorn was our best manager since Jimmy Hill and you even rated that moron Coleman.
Without getting into "was Chris Coleman a good manager" again, my argument here is that's unfair to negatively judge any manager until they have had 3 years, unless form is truly catastrophic e.g. 10 defeats in a row. Rebuilding the club will take years and will never happen if we press the reset button by firing the manager every 15 months. I don't get why fans seem to expect instant success, you have to invest for the long term. It's like sacking your gardner because the grass seed hasn't turned into a lawn 3 days after you've sprinkled the seeds. It seems our fans just want results straight away and are not prepared to have faith; they seem to want evidence of progress all the time. It's not realistic.
I meant over the overall sesaon. Taken together, we have been competitive overall, IMO. If you start analysing tings game-by-game, expecting him to justify his job on a "hand to mouth" basis, it's no surprise our turnover of managers has been so high. I'm arguing that we need to review performances over a longer timeframe; in the grand scheme of things, a few defeats in a row, r even a couple of seasons here or there, doesn't mean much.
Disagree.
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We've been through so many managers over the past few seasons, what makes anyone think that changing again is going to make the difference. The issues at our club run much deeper than the Manager.
What did Albert Einstein say........
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We've been through so many managers over the past few seasons, what makes anyone think that changing again is going to make the difference. The issues at our club run much deeper than the Manager.
What did Albert Einstein say........
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That's' our middle name I don't see us getting anywhere better anytime soon, doesn't really matter who our manager is never seems to work for us.underachievement?
That's' our middle name I don't see us getting anywhere better anytime soon, doesn't really matter who our manager is never seems to work for us.
After all any manager we get has already been sacked for that very reason underachievement.
I know that but every time we get a new Manager everyone starts creaming about how well we have done to get them and how well we are going to do.It doesn't have to be. Mowbray only knew one way and it cost him, same for Pressley and soon it may be Robins. Just look at how many times we have come from behind to win over the last 3-4 years. Shows we keep hiring managers who can't change things up.
Below 18th by mid next season.How low are we going to go before you're prepared to call it underachievement?
What do you mean game by game? Of course I will watch every game and analyse each one, if there's a pattern where things don't change it will be pointed out. The same as it will be pointed out that at Mansfield if he changes things up and it works.
Don't you think managers will be reviewing things game by game?
I know that but every time we get a new Manager everyone starts creaming about how well we have done to get them and how well we are going to do.
I just don't know who we could get to turn things around, I hear names banded about season after season because they are doing well at a smaller club with a supposingly smaller budget, thing is most move on and then struggle at their new club.
You just know whoever we have they will start off well and then for whatever reason fall at the final hurdle.
Below 18th by mid next season.
What i mean is that sticking with the wrong approach for 3 games, or indeed other games this season, is a fair basis for judging him negatively. He is trying an approach and doesn't HAVE to react.
What i am saying is i don't mind him getting it wrong and us underachieving for a couple of years because i have faith he'll deliver eventually. I have written off the short term i.e. next 2 years, and any success we do get will be a welcome surprise bonus. But then I don't have a ST so my patient laissez faire view is based on not having to watch us every week!
my argument here is that's unfair to negatively judge any manager until they have had 3 years, unless form is truly catastrophic e.g. 10 defeats in a row. .
Without getting into "was Chris Coleman a good manager" again, my argument here is that's unfair to negatively judge any manager until they have had 3 years, unless form is truly catastrophic e.g. 10 defeats in a row. Rebuilding the club will take years and will never happen if we press the reset button by firing the manager every 15 months. I don't get why fans seem to expect instant success, you have to invest for the long term. It's like sacking your gardner because the grass seed hasn't turned into a lawn 3 days after you've sprinkled the seeds. It seems our fans just want results straight away and are not prepared to have faith; they seem to want evidence of progress all the time. It's not realistic.
He can do as he sees fit, neither of us are qualified to say what he HAS to do. Judge him after 3 yearsThe manager doesn't have to react if he is trying something that's not working? Of course he does, its his job.
I judge him and the players after every game like most others, good or bad.He can do as he sees fit, neither of us are qualified to say what he HAS to do. Judge him after 3 years
Three of sisu managers lasted a lot longer than most of the managers in the 80’s and early 90’s - the one manager other than Sillett who was around longer was a manager who got us relegated.
How would Albert explain that?
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