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  • Start date Sep 21, 2020
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #141
Magwitch said:
How much is half the transfer budget then ?
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Double a quarter of the transfer budget.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #142
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I heard from within the club that much of the McCallum money had completely dried up by July and was used primarily to cover running costs and pay the players once they came off furlough.

Also, transfers are almost never paid completely upfront so undoubtably we would have structured the fees paid for Hamer, Walker, and when the time comes, Sheaf in instalments to be paid over the course of 2-3 seasons.

So, it's not quite as simple as spending what we've earned.
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But if we're buying players on installments and selling them on the same terms then there is still an equivalence between ins and outs, just with lower figures at the immediate time. Of course it does assume that term lengths etc are similar but you'd imagine they would be there or thereabouts.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #143
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sounds like a fun game show
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Roy Walker or Stuart Beavon?
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #144
shmmeee said:
Yeah I expect it did. I don’t think it is transfers in = transfers out. It’s always been based on the budget given by Sisu as AFAIK we’ve never been self sustaining and still aren’t.

I was saying at the start that £2m is about half our budget and that was worked out on what we’d spent. Then Magwitch said it was more cos we have money in and I was just pointing out that even by that metric it was still about £4m.
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Exactly. Magwitch seems to be inferring from his posts that Robins has total access to the McCallum and Wilson money. To my knowledge the former has already been used up to cover costs over the course of the summer, and with regards to the latter, most of which is likely to be used on bridging the gap caused by the significant drop in revenue due to games being played BCD (with a proportion potentially put aside for Sheaf, but that's only my opinion as I've previously stated).

Agreed, the budget is the budget. Income received from Wilson or McCallum isn't automatically added to the playing budget as it would have been capped to a certain amount for a direct reason. For instance, in League One it was to ensure that clubs complied with SCMP rules whereby a club's wage bill equated to or less than 60% of its total turnover. The P&S rules in the Championship are slightly more relaxed but SISU will obviously want to avoid pumping more money than necessary hence why the pre-agreed budgets will be what they are. Any extra money received in the form of transfer fees, add-ons, or sell ons, doesn't allow Robins to go way over budget. Especially not now when the future of EFL clubs is looking bleaker by the day.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #145
cooperskyblue said:
I think I remember seeing Boddy saying that we were budgeting for most the season to be behind closed doors anyway so I think whether we sign this guy or not we have been careful within a budget that was on the safe side of things in regards to fans returning etc. Will be interesting to see if this happens or not.
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From the club's s point of view I would think that extending the ban on fans in stadiums is no bad thing. I presume they have sold out the 3500 membership/ST allocation, so that money, reduced as it is, is in the bank. I also presume that opening up St Andrews for the 3500 to get in would have cost them money, stewards etc, with little or nothing to be made on a match day. Therefore, until more that 3500 can be admitted, or hospitality outlets, parking etc can be opened up, they will be saving money.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #146
David O'Day said:
Roy Walker or Stuart Beavon?
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It’s good but it’s not right
 
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ExmouthNeil

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #147
So..... Have we signed him yet???
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 2, 2020
  • #148
cc84cov said:
How can you possibly know we won’t be in a promotion battle
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cc84cov

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  • Oct 2, 2020
  • #149
Liquid Gold said:
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Haha I like it mate I like it
 

junglej13

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  • Oct 4, 2020
  • #150
The Scottish window closes tomorrow. Just wonder whether someone might test Dundee Uniteds will to keep Shankland. There was a story in one paper that Burnley might be after him on loan for £500k and that Dundee United are desperate for money. It also said they have a young striker Logan Chalmers who a number of Premier League clubs have looked at. It did make me wonder whether possibly that's who we were also scouting recently.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #151
junglej13 said:
The Scottish window closes tomorrow. Just wonder whether someone might test Dundee Uniteds will to keep Shankland. There was a story in one paper that Burnley might be after him on loan for £500k and that Dundee United are desperate for money. It also said they have a young striker Logan Chalmers who a number of Premier League clubs have looked at. It did make me wonder whether possibly that's who we were also scouting recently.
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I suspect these rumours have been generated by his agent as Dyche has already rubbished the links.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #152
He’s never Premier League standard is he?
 

cc84cov

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #153
SlowerThanPlatt said:
He’s never Premier League standard is he?
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No even close
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #154
Reports suggesting that Dundee are taking Mark McNulty on loan from Reading!
Does that mean that Shankland is on his way out?
 

mark_ccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #155
When does the window close - the end of today?
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #156
This obsession is odd with shankland can you imagine how many Tyler Walker would score up there and He’s sat on our bench max would probably do the same we don’t need shankland
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #157
cc84cov said:
This obsession is odd with shankland can you imagine how many Tyler Walker would score up there and He’s sat on our bench max would probably do the same we don’t need shankland
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It’s the SPL - the debate has been long done but I would say it’s somewhere between lower Championship level and the top of L1. There is not a chance Biamou would be able to score as many as he has
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #158
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It’s the SPL - the debate has been long done but I would say it’s somewhere between lower Championship level and the top of L1. There is not a chance Biamou would be able to score as many as he has
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Disagree. I think you're giving the quality of the league far too much credit. For instance, the likes of Livingston, Hamliton, Ross County simply aren't comparable to top end league one clubs.

You have Rangers and Celtic who are probably top end Championship, Aberdeen, Hibernian Kilmarnock who would fit in mid-table League One, and the rest are certainly League Two quality. The league is completely disjointed.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #159
cc84cov said:
No even close
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Typed in a Scottish accent. Good work.
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #160
cc84cov said:
This obsession is odd with shankland can you imagine how many Tyler Walker would score up there and He’s sat on our bench max would probably do the same we don’t need shankland
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If we had any money left I don’t think a striker would be the priority anyway.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #161
fatso said:
Reports suggesting that Dundee are taking Mark McNulty on loan from Reading!
Does that mean that Shankland is on his way out?
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If Dundee are taking him on loan, means nothing for Dundee Utd I'd have thought.
 
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the rumpo kid

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #162
No point having another striker we can't get the ball to the one we've got just ask godden.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #163
the rumpo kid said:
No point having another striker we can't get the ball to the one we've got just ask godden.
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You mean Godden who is (joint) 2nd top scorer in the league?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #164
fatso said:
Reports suggesting that Dundee are taking Mark McNulty on loan from Reading!
Does that mean that Shankland is on his way out?
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I wouldn't bet on it
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #165
SBT said:
I wouldn't bet on it
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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #166
fatso said:
Reports suggesting that Dundee are taking Mark McNulty on loan from Reading!
Does that mean that Shankland is on his way out?
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No they want him to go down in the 5th
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #167
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Disagree. I think you're giving the quality of the league far too much credit. For instance, the likes of Livingston, Hamliton, Ross County simply aren't comparable to top end league one clubs.

You have Rangers and Celtic who are probably top end Championship, Aberdeen, Hibernian Kilmarnock who would fit in mid-table League One, and the rest are certainly League Two quality. The league is completely disjointed.
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Yet we picked up Micheal Rose from the Scottish Championship and people were rating him at 10 million
 
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Deleted member 2477

Guest
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #168
Robins has said all business is done and we dont need another striker. Just another 5 page rumour
 

JimmyHillsbeard

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #169
Shankland is witht the Scotland squad now surely. He’s not going to move at this stage.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 5, 2020
  • #170
Skybluefaz said:
Yet we picked up Micheal Rose from the Scottish Championship and people were rating him at 10 million
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£10m is a slight overestimation, no club in their right mind would've paid that for a 24 year old L1 CB with (at the time) one year left on his contract. But regardless, managers at higher up the footballing pyramid are always going to find unearthed talent plying their trade in leagues lower than their club, whether that be in the UK, Scotland, or overseas. One good player is hardly a reflection of the overall quality of that league though.
 
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