Sky Blue Harry H
Well-Known Member
Think he asked you to say what you wanted them to do...
Well Sisu really don’t want a solution
Think he asked you to say what you wanted them to do...
Why did that take about 5 rambling posts to get there?So let’s have a statement where they say under no circumstances will they appeal if the complaint goes against them and get them to say it now
Why did that take about 5 rambling posts to get there?
Personally not sure id want them to agree to that, especially “under no circumstances” - but if that’s what you want I guess you can ask Mark and Pete
if the council/Wasps agreed to let us play at the Ricoh irrespective of the ongoing inquiry, and would not ask for any indemnity to cover itWhy did that take about 5 rambling posts to get there?
Personally not sure id want them to agree to that, especially “under no circumstances” - but if that’s what you want I guess you can ask Mark and Pete
if the council/Wasps agreed to let us play at the Ricoh irrespective of the ongoing inquiry, and would not ask for any indemnity to cover it
Under no circumstance would they move the goalposts based on the outcome
You know that’s not true it’s also the ridiculous indemnity request?That is what’s being offered as far as we can tell. It’s stopping future legal action against CCC that’s the issue seemingly.
You know that’s not true it’s also the ridiculous indemnity request?
And promptly complained to the EU.12 months ago sisu agreed to no further legal action against wasps.
The actual complaint was made in February - 2 months prior to agreeing no further legal action. Whether you think it was legal or not - the fact was it was made when a court case was still on goingAnd promptly complained to the EU.
We can spend hours and hours saying 'ah, but that's not legal action' but if you're arguing on a technicality, then that's exactly the muddle that ended up where we are now - SISU like finding loopholes to argue about, but the consequence of that complaint would have been obvious to everybody, had it come into the open...
Look, nobody is saying if an indemnity is being asked to be signed by the *club* that is right. Hell, some of us have stood outside the Ricoh futilely before a Wasps game because of it. But, the timing of the complaint, and the timing of the unveiling, is too convenient to be anything but an accident.
And when was it revealed?The actual complaint was made in February - 2 months prior to agreeing no further legal action. Whether you think it was legal or not - the fact was it was made when a court case was still on going
12 months ago sisu agreed to no further legal action against wasps.
And when was it revealed?
If the Chief Exec of Coventry City didn't know until then, it suggests it was a pretty big secret.I'm sorry, there's no way that Wasps didn't know about the EU complaint when negotiations started. If we can be cynical about the timing of new stadium announcements, we should also be cynical about the timing of when that story was leaked to the press.
If the Chief Exec of Coventry City didn't know until then, it suggests it was a pretty big secret.
My question is... who leaked it. The timing is ideal if you don't actually want a deal to stay in Coventry, after all.
Would they? Let's face it, things don't move quickly. I'd argue it's just as likely it sat on somebody's desk...The council would have been informed and you would have thought they would tell Wasps....
Would they? Let's face it, things don't move quickly. I'd argue it's just as likely it sat on somebody's desk...
However, based on previous patterns, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the leak was not from the Wasps side. If your intent is to distress a business to drive down the price of an arena, then a certain instituion has form for intervening when a deal has been made by club representatives. Remember Fisher shaking hands on a deal, that had to morph into a friendly goodbye handshake?
Don't discount the possibility that it's actually SISU who wanted the information out... at that time. They let, after all, their Chief Executive of the football club negotiate a deal, while he was oblivious to the complaint's existence.
Both scenarios are entirely possible, leaks from Wasps, leaks from SISU. What we do have is a constant pattern of the goalposts shifting once Seppala inspects the deal her minions have struck.
Do you disagree with my scenario about the fact that if you don't want to make a deal for the Ricoh?Wasn't this also at the same time Wasps were working with Hoffman on a takeover?
Do you disagree with my scenario about the fact that if you don't want to make a deal for the Ricoh?
Do you, therefore, agree with me that it is equally possible that any leak could come from Wasps... or SISU.
In fact, the evidence skews slightly towards the probability of Gilbert's source being from SISU, given somebody leaked to Gilbert about the indemnity this time around, and that sure as hell wasn't Wasps!
Do you disagree with my scenario about the fact that if you don't want to make a deal for the Ricoh?
Do you, therefore, agree with me that it is equally possible that any leak could come from Wasps... or SISU.
In fact, the evidence skews slightly towards the probability of Gilbert's source being from SISU, given somebody leaked to Gilbert about the indemnity this time around, and that sure as hell wasn't Wasps!
If the Coventry City Chief Exec wasn't told such a massive thing by his ultimate employers (who made the complaint), when he was being charged with making a deal, then it becomes a lot more likely that Wasps, too, didn't know.Nope, it is quite plausible.
I just don't think Wasps would have found out that way. Especially if it is so much of a legal hassle as people make out
If the Coventry City Chief Exec wasn't told such a massive thing by his ultimate employers (who made the complaint), when he was being charged with making a deal, then it becomes a lot more likely that Wasps, too, didn't know.
Wasps I suspect don't really want a SISU-led CCFC at the Ricoh at all really, but feel obliged to go through the motions partly because of a hold over future legal action, partly positive PR for them (saying to the fans they tried), and partly for sponsorship (increased revenue if we're there, one would assume. Increased revenue if the threat of legal action is not there, too).
SISU, I suspect, don't want CCFC at a Wasps-owned Ricoh at all really, but feel obliged to go through the motions partly because of the uncertainty it brings ref: sponsorship deals and budgeting (who will sign a deal, who can set a final budget when things are up in the air? Also, it's far more effective in a negative sense if a deal falls through at the last minute, that creates *more* doubt and uncertainty, and affects medium long-term planning), and for positive PR for them (saying to the fans they tried).
Therefore, it suits SISU, arguably, more for a deal to fall through at the last minute then for negotiations just... not to happen. And it's three times it's happened now, with different protagonists too, and different club representatives doing the negotiating... but with the same effect.
If the Coventry City Chief Exec wasn't told such a massive thing by his ultimate employers (who made the complaint), when he was being charged with making a deal, then it becomes a lot more likely that Wasps, too, didn't know.
Wasps I suspect don't really want a SISU-led CCFC at the Ricoh at all really, but feel obliged to go through the motions partly because of a hold over future legal action, partly positive PR for them (saying to the fans they tried), and partly for sponsorship (increased revenue if we're there, one would assume. Increased revenue if the threat of legal action is not there, too).
SISU, I suspect, don't want CCFC at a Wasps-owned Ricoh at all really, but feel obliged to go through the motions partly because of the uncertainty it brings ref: sponsorship deals and budgeting (who will sign a deal, who can set a final budget when things are up in the air? Also, it's far more effective in a negative sense if a deal falls through at the last minute, that creates *more* doubt and uncertainty, and affects medium long-term planning), and for positive PR for them (saying to the fans they tried).
Therefore, it suits SISU, arguably, more for a deal to fall through at the last minute then for negotiations just... not to happen. And it's three times it's happened now, with different protagonists too, and different club representatives doing the negotiating... but with the same effect.
Not if it was still on their desk until they considered considering it. Remember, this year plus is just to consider if there's a case to answer.CCC would have been informed by the EU and lawyers you would assume, Boddy wouldn't have been.
Agree, fuck all to do with season ticket refunds. This site is becoming unusable with the same fucking argument in every thread. Now wonder it feels quiet at the moment.Every. Fucking. Thread
Can we create another thread and nw, schmeee and nick agree to keep the same argument going around in circles in there please.
We get it nw/schmeee you hate sisu and joy and can't see anywhere forward with them but can we please leave it out of every thread, we are where we are so we need to make the most of it until we know what's happening with Warwick
Morning rant over
Nowt like a simplistic distillation.Every. Fucking. Thread
Can we create another thread and nw, schmeee and nick agree to keep the same argument going around in circles in there please.
We get it nw/schmeee you hate sisu and joy and can't see anywhere forward with them but can we please leave it out of every thread, we are where we are so we need to make the most of it until we know what's happening with Warwick
Morning rant over
Every. Fucking. Thread
Can we create another thread and nw, schmeee and nick agree to keep the same argument going around in circles in there please.
We get it nw/schmeee you hate sisu and joy and can't see anywhere forward with them but can we please leave it out of every thread, we are where we are so we need to make the most of it until we know what's happening with Warwick
Morning rant over
I wanted a refund once at Highfield Road threw my season ticket onto the pitch vowing never to go again. That lasted for a long time I had to pay for the next three or four games.
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