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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #351
mrtrench said:
Hmmm... depends which parts of France's make-up we become like. Can we choose the cheese and wine and Provencal villages? And I'll take the Left Bank Bohemian culture too please.
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We'd all have to drive Renaults though
 
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mrtrench

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #352
Deleted member 5849 said:
We'd all have to drive Renaults though
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Meh, I'm getting a 2CV.
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #353
Islam definitely needs a 2.0 reboot.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #354
ccfc1234 said:
I am yet to see the cartoon and if its really distasteful he has made a serious error of judgement and perhaps should loose his job. However, if its not that bad I am really worried about the implications of your last statement.
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If you’re a Muslim the very fact it exists means that distasteful is an understatement.
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #355
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:

This isn't going to help.
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Cave in Boris. I don't wanna stink of garlic.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #356
skybluetony176 said:
If you’re a Muslim the very fact it exists means that distasteful is an understatement.
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Well I'd suggest there is far more distasteful shit in this world that exists than a fucking cartoon......

They should Just be offended.....then fucking get over it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #357
skybluetony176 said:
If you’re a Muslim the very fact it exists means that distasteful is an understatement.
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Then move to a country where they execute people in public for the crime of drawing a picture
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #358
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then move to a country where they execute people in public for the crime of drawing a picture
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I think Ian had the correct answer earlier
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2021
  • #359
Evo1883 said:
I think Ian had the correct answer earlier
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Well that is a lot easier said than done because these people aren’t going to change.
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #360
skybluetony176 said:
If you’re a Muslim the very fact it exists means that distasteful is an understatement.
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Sorry are you saying any image is distasteful? As I said before not seen 'it'. Details, matter.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #361
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then move to a country where they execute people in public for the crime of drawing a picture
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You’re usually a sensible poster but that’s as stupid a response as I’ve seen on this thread. If you don’t like it get out of my country, full NF. What’s wrong with just having a little respect for someone else’s beliefs.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #362
ccfc1234 said:
Sorry are you saying any image is distasteful? As I said before not seen 'it'. Details, matter.
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Correct. Muslims do not use imagery unlike other religions. You won’t go into a mosque and see images of god or Muhammad or anyone else. Any images, not just a cartoon are considered blasphemy.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #363
clint van damme said:
Behind a pay wall so can't see the whole quote but that sounds like a threat.
They need told.
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Well, assuming it's this same article... it is a threat.

UK Muslim leaders urge ‘respect for Islam’ after school incident

LONDON: British Muslim leaders will warn UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson that the country “could become like France” amid controversy over a school teacher sharing a picture of Prophet Muhammad with students. The incident took place in Batley Grammar School, West Yorkshire, and leading Muslims...
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These so called community leaders need to fucking respect the fact they're living in a 21st century western democracy.

Get over it....its a fucking cartoon. Bunch of intolerant pricks
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #364
skybluetony176 said:
You’re usually a sensible poster but that’s as stupid a response as I’ve seen on this thread. If you don’t like it get out of my country, full NF. What’s wrong with just having a little respect for someone else’s beliefs.
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If you want people to be put in prison for showing a cartoon then either move to a country where those laws exist or accept you’re in one where they don’t. It doesn’t make me some Tommy Robinson tribute act to point that out
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #365
skybluetony176 said:
Correct. Muslims do not use imagery unlike other religions. You won’t go into a mosque and see images of god or Muhammad or anyone else. Any images, not just a cartoon are considered blasphemy.
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I think you'll find that most of the fundamentalist or orthodox followers of the Abrahamic religions disavow iconism. For example, Jewish law prohibits graven images, whereas unlike the Sunnis (notably the Wahhabis), there are some Muslim Shia sects that allow images. It was also prevalent in early Christianity but later fell out of fashion.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #366
David O'Day said:
Should they be protesting outside a school and trying to put the teachers name online? No

Should a teacher in an RE lesson do something that will offend the religion of some of his students? No


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Literally impossible. It’s offensive to many religions to say there’s not one true God, which is kinda the entire point of RE lessons.

Be offended by facts all you like, just don’t expect anyone to take you seriously. And if you start threatening people and forcing schools to close expect to get shut down.

End of
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #367
David O'Day said:
Question, if a teacher had done things that5 were seen as blasphemy to Christians and Christians were picketing a school would the usual suspects be so angry?
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Yes. Some of us even worked in schools where Christians took over and attempted to install their ideology into the curriculum and pushed back against it in person.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #368
If Christians were picketing outside my local school I'd be sure to take time out my day to tell them what absolute bellends they were ...so yes
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #369
As the chat is still going I thought this might be an interesting read (sorry about the crumple, dug it out the recycling !). Whether people agree with Syed or not it’s a reasonably balanced article , highlighting that of course it’s important to respect people’s beliefs, however, in return there should be a respect for a tolerant society
 

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David O'Day

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #370
shmmeee said:
Literally impossible. It’s offensive to many religions to say there’s not one true God, which is kinda the entire point of RE lessons.

Be offended by facts all you like, just don’t expect anyone to take you seriously. And if you start threatening people and forcing schools to close expect to get shut down.

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You really are missing the point there. Can you teach RE without showing a cartoon that Muslim will find deeply offensive? Yes so why do you need to do it?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #371
David O'Day said:
You really are missing the point there. Can you teach RE without showing a cartoon that Muslim will find deeply offensive? Yes so why do you need to do it?
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I'd imagine most Muslims find it quite offensive to talk about or discuss homosexuality too , shall we also ban this type of discussion going forward in schools which have Muslim students

Just a thought
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #372
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If you want people to be put in prison for showing a cartoon then either move to a country where those laws exist or accept you’re in one where they don’t. It doesn’t make me some Tommy Robinson tribute act to point that out
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I don’t want people put in prison for showing a cartoon.
Those that have called for that have the right to voice that opinion. You wouldn’t say to the country side alliance if you don’t like the ban on fox hunting move to a country where there isn’t a ban on fox hunting when they protest because they don’t except that law. You’re being irrational, which as I say isn’t typical of you.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #373
David O'Day said:
You really are missing the point there. Can you teach RE without showing a cartoon that Muslim will find deeply offensive? Yes so why do you need to do it?
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I believe the lesson was about intolerance......so the teachers played a blinder really hasn't he?

....As the baying mob of cunts at the school gates is a perfect demonstration of irrational religious intolerance.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #374
Evo1883 said:
I'd imagine most Muslims find it quite offensive to talk about or discuss homosexuality too , shall we also ban this type of discussion going forward in schools which have Muslim students

Just a thought
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Christian groups have a history of protesting just that at schools.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #375
skybluetony176 said:
Christian groups have a history of protesting just that at schools.
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Great, and would you stop it out of respect for them ?

I wouldn't

I think the water is muddy at what age children should be learning about anything in terms of sexuality ...but In general would you stop it out of respect
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #376
Evo1883 said:
Great, and would you stop it out of respect for them ?

I wouldn't
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No. But then not teaching about sexuality isn’t fundamental to Christianity, we have plenty of gay vicars for instance. Not having images of Allah is fundamental to Islam though. Again, if you’re going to compare eggs try comparing them to eggs.

Just to add. I absolutely support their right to protest it though, even though I disagree with them.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #377
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I believe the lesson was about intolerance......so the teachers played a blinder really hasn't he?


....As the baying mob of cunts at the school gates is a perfect demonstration of irrational religious intolerance.
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By displaying intolerance to Islam
noun
  1. 1.
    unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #378
skybluetony176 said:
No. But then not teaching about sexuality isn’t fundamental to Christianity, we have plenty of gay vicars for instance. Not having images of Allah is fundamental to Islam though. Again, if you’re going to compare eggs try comparing them to eggs.
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Just about everybody disagrees with you on here with this point Tony .. it is what it is
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #379
Evo1883 said:
I'd imagine most Muslims find it quite offensive to talk about or discuss homosexuality too , shall we also ban this type of discussion going forward in schools which have Muslim students

Just a thought
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Of course “our voices must be heard” but if I’m female I can’t show my face

‘We can’t give in’: the Birmingham school on the frontline of anti-LGBT protests

Protests by Muslims against teaching about gay relationships at their children’s primary came to a head last week. We meet the people caught between activists and the law
www.google.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #380
Evo1883 said:
Just about everybody disagrees with you on here with this point Tony .. it is what it is
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As is their right, doesn’t make them right though.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #381
skybluetony176 said:
As is their right, doesn’t make them right though.
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Except in this instance, they all are .....and you're not.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #382
David O'Day said:
You really are missing the point there. Can you teach RE without showing a cartoon that Muslim will find deeply offensive? Yes so why do you need to do it?
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No, you’re missing the point. A lesson is better when students experience things closer to real life.

Does a science teacher *need* to do live experiments with an element of risk? Why not just read about them in a book? Do teachers need to take kids on school trips? Why not just take them on Google Maps where it’s safe?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #383
skybluetony176 said:
I don’t want people put in prison for showing a cartoon.
Those that have called for that have the right to voice that opinion. You wouldn’t say to the country side alliance if you don’t like the ban on fox hunting move to a country where there isn’t a ban on fox hunting when they protest because they don’t except that law. You’re being irrational, which as I say isn’t typical of you.
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It is rational as the protesters seem to have a massive problem with one of this country’s basic freedoms being exercised. I don’t want them gone but if they hate it so much they’d maybe be happier elsewhere.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #384
skybluetony176 said:
By displaying intolerance to Islam
noun
  1. 1.
    unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own.
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How is it intolerance to Islam? Disagreement isn’t bigotry FFS
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #385
skybluetony176 said:
Correct. Muslims do not use imagery unlike other religions. You won’t go into a mosque and see images of god or Muhammad or anyone else. Any images, not just a cartoon are considered blasphemy.
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To muslims who follow Islam - yes we know and whilst we wouldn’t wish to offend our brothers and sisters of the Islamic faith I don’t think they should dictate to non- Muslims how they should and shouldn’t act
 
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