SBT’s general election poll

SBT’s general election poll

  • Tory

    Votes: 26 34.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 32 42.1%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 7 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 7 9.2%

  • Total voters
    76

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
Aug 2, 2013
25,341
10,365
263
Sorry, I know I’ve tailored it for the English vote.
 

Cavan O'Doherty

Well-Known Member
Jun 30, 2016
1,673
933
163
How anyone can vote for that clown Corbyn is beyond me, mind you Boris isn’t much better. The Labour Party is just about summed up by that fool Dianne Abbott, it’s like she deliberately trips herself up every time she’s interviewed. The whole lot are a joke at the minute, and it’s going to be a case of picking the best of a bad bunch. One things for sure I will not be voting for Corbyn, if he gets in to power this country will crumble.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,989
15,186
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
How anyone can vote for that clown Corbyn is beyond me, mind you Boris isn’t much better. The Labour Party is just about summed up by that fool Dianne Abbott, it’s like she deliberately trips herself up every time she’s interviewed. The whole lot are a joke at the minute, and it’s going to be a case of picking the best of a bad bunch. One things for sure I will not be voting for Corbyn, if he gets in to power this country will crumble.
If you live in Cov you’re getting a Labour MP whoever you vote for, let’s be honest.

Would love to know why you have such an issue with Corbyn and Abbott and not the bunch of proven liars and morons currently running the country. Dominic Raab (Foreign Secretary who doesn’t know Calais is important for trade)? Priti Patel (Home Secretary who wants to bring back hanging and was kicked out for running her own foreign policy)? Boris “I wouldn’t trust him to run a whelk stand” Johnson? Matt “lets ban pagers in hospitals” Hancock the Health Secretary. I could go on. And on. And on.

They are not sending their best and brightest. At least the competent Labour MPs are still on the back benches and haven’t all be kicked out in a hissy fit.

Vote Tory if you’re a Brexit Ultra or a disaster capitalist. There’s literally no other reason. Vote Lib Dem’s if you’re scared of Nordic social democracy. I’d even go Green ahead of the Tories for competence and that’s saying something.
 
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Marty

Well-Known Member
Mar 20, 2011
5,279
1,306
163
I'm going greens, absolute waste of time voting for any of these lot.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
Dec 6, 2012
5,903
3,454
163
How anyone can vote for that clown Corbyn is beyond me, mind you Boris isn’t much better. The Labour Party is just about summed up by that fool Dianne Abbott, it’s like she deliberately trips herself up every time she’s interviewed. The whole lot are a joke at the minute, and it’s going to be a case of picking the best of a bad bunch. One things for sure I will not be voting for Corbyn, if he gets in to power this country will crumble.
Because it’s in such a good place right now....
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
Aug 3, 2013
1,490
759
163
UK
How anyone can vote for that clown Corbyn is beyond me, mind you Boris isn’t much better. The Labour Party is just about summed up by that fool Dianne Abbott, it’s like she deliberately trips herself up every time she’s interviewed. The whole lot are a joke at the minute, and it’s going to be a case of picking the best of a bad bunch. One things for sure I will not be voting for Corbyn, if he gets in to power this country will crumble.
Spot on Cavan.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
Sep 27, 2008
25,576
13,919
363
Coventry
One things for sure I will not be voting for Corbyn, if he gets in to power this country will crumble.
Spot on Cavan.
This seems a strange stance. Fair enough if you don't want to vote Labour as you don't agree with their policies. However I find the idea that Corbyn, constantly painted as a bumbling idiot who has no control over the Labour party, will suddenly turn into a dictator with a vice like grip on Labour policy if he were to come into power rather odd.
 
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Sumo the Micky Quinn

Well-Known Member
Aug 16, 2011
517
118
93
Fuerteventura
As an Expat, my vote will be going to the Lib Dems.

I voted at every election, local, European etc when I lived in the UK, however I didn't vote in the 2010 or 2015 as UK issues are not necessarily important to me, but Brexit is.

That's if my vote, and the other 3 members of my family, manage to get through the Christmas post.
 

Grappa

Well-Known Member
Jun 20, 2013
802
422
63
As an Expat, my vote will be going to the Lib Dems.

I voted at every election, local, European etc when I lived in the UK, however I didn't vote in the 2010 or 2015 as UK issues are not necessarily important to me, but Brexit is.

That's if my vote, and the other 3 members of my family, manage to get through the Christmas post.
You're better off doing a proxy vote if you haven't already applied for postal.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2015
18,826
20,141
263
As an Expat, my vote will be going to the Lib Dems.

I voted at every election, local, European etc when I lived in the UK, however I didn't vote in the 2010 or 2015 as UK issues are not necessarily important to me, but Brexit is.

That's if my vote, and the other 3 members of my family, manage to get through the Christmas post.
I'm assuming you don't want the UK to leave the EU?
If/when we do how will it affect you?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,989
15,186
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
This seems a strange stance. Fair enough if you don't want to vote Labour as you don't agree with their policies. However I find the idea that Corbyn, constantly painted as a bumbling idiot who has no control over the Labour party, will suddenly turn into a dictator with a vice like grip on Labour policy if he were to come into power rather odd.
They’re Tory voters. You want logic and consistency??
 
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Sumo the Micky Quinn

Well-Known Member
Aug 16, 2011
517
118
93
Fuerteventura
I'm assuming you don't want the UK to leave the EU?
If/when we do how will it affect you?
At this present moment we are only here as European citizens. We are constantly having meetings with the local British Consulate. We are being told different things all the time.

Unlike some countries Spain dose not allow other Europeans Dual 'Citizen' Passports, only Spanish Colonial countries can have dual passports.

Our permanent stay requires us to have the 'Residensia' paper work up to date, even Spanish citizens have keep this up to date every 5 years. We have the local police come round your house to check the address given is correct, if not you are removed from their records, you would then be considered an illegal immigrant - which a lot of older expats could possibly be. E.g they bought a property 20 years ago and not undated their status during this time, therefore they would be removed from the system - with the local government officials assuming they have moved back to the UK.
So at the moment we are just being asked to ensure at the least we are on the Spanish system.

Our permanent stay may only last another 3-5 years if there is a no deal, after that time depends on your personal circumstances. Also our stay even with a deal depends on what exactly is in the deal. Remain is straight forward - nothing in our situation changes.

Depending on a deal - we may be allowed special European status, which means with our "Spanish Residensia" we could get treated as a Spanish citizen through out the rest of Europe. This is still being negotiated. but with things stopping and starting we just don't know.

Another No Deal senario we have been told, If any person owns a property here and wants to avoid the UK winter, will only be allowed under visa rules to stay for 90 out of 180 days, and risk being refused a second visa if they stay longer than the 90 days.

I do know, a 6 month UK holiday visa cost £75, + £75 DHL return to the Canary Islands, +300€ return flights for 2 people to Madrid to attend a 30 minute interview appointment with the British consulate, fortunately my son's girl friend has relatives in Madrid so didn't have the added expense of accommodation. Which was required for a 1 week holiday last March.

My son's girl friend is a resident of the Caribbean, has a 10 year Spanish visa which allows her travel anywhere in Europe except the UK & Ireland.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
Aug 2, 2013
25,341
10,365
263
At this present moment we are only here as European citizens. We are constantly having meetings with the local British Consulate. We are being told different things all the time.

Unlike some countries Spain dose not allow other Europeans Dual 'Citizen' Passports, only Spanish Colonial countries can have dual passports.

Our permanent stay requires us to have the 'Residensia' paper work up to date, even Spanish citizens have keep this up to date every 5 years. We have the local police come round your house to check the address given is correct, if not you are removed from their records, you would then be considered an illegal immigrant - which a lot of older expats could possibly be. E.g they bought a property 20 years ago and not undated their status during this time, therefore they would be removed from the system - with the local government officials assuming they have moved back to the UK.
So at the moment we are just being asked to ensure at the least we are on the Spanish system.

Our permanent stay may only last another 3-5 years if there is a no deal, after that time depends on your personal circumstances. Also our stay even with a deal depends on what exactly is in the deal. Remain is straight forward - nothing in our situation changes.

Depending on a deal - we may be allowed special European status, which means with our "Spanish Residensia" we could get treated as a Spanish citizen through out the rest of Europe. This is still being negotiated. but with things stopping and starting we just don't know.

Another No Deal senario we have been told, If any person owns a property here and wants to avoid the UK winter, will only be allowed under visa rules to stay for 90 out of 180 days, and risk being refused a second visa if they stay longer than the 90 days.

I do know, a 6 month UK holiday visa cost £75, + £75 DHL return to the Canary Islands, +300€ return flights for 2 people to Madrid to attend a 30 minute interview appointment with the British consulate, fortunately my son's girl friend has relatives in Madrid so didn't have the added expense of accommodation. Which was required for a 1 week holiday last March.

My son's girl friend is a resident of the Caribbean, has a 10 year Spanish visa which allows her travel anywhere in Europe except the UK & Ireland.
I have a mate who lives part time in the Balearics and is having similar challenges. I thought Spain had already taken measurements to protect the rights of ex pat Brits but apparently there’s a large percentage of self governance on the Balearics so it’s not the same there currently as mainland Spain. I’m guessing it’s the same in the Canaries.
 

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
Mar 20, 2011
1,865
1,343
113
Sheffield
At this present moment we are only here as European citizens. We are constantly having meetings with the local British Consulate. We are being told different things all the time.

Unlike some countries Spain dose not allow other Europeans Dual 'Citizen' Passports, only Spanish Colonial countries can have dual passports.

Our permanent stay requires us to have the 'Residensia' paper work up to date, even Spanish citizens have keep this up to date every 5 years. We have the local police come round your house to check the address given is correct, if not you are removed from their records, you would then be considered an illegal immigrant - which a lot of older expats could possibly be. E.g they bought a property 20 years ago and not undated their status during this time, therefore they would be removed from the system - with the local government officials assuming they have moved back to the UK.
So at the moment we are just being asked to ensure at the least we are on the Spanish system.

Our permanent stay may only last another 3-5 years if there is a no deal, after that time depends on your personal circumstances. Also our stay even with a deal depends on what exactly is in the deal. Remain is straight forward - nothing in our situation changes.

Depending on a deal - we may be allowed special European status, which means with our "Spanish Residensia" we could get treated as a Spanish citizen through out the rest of Europe. This is still being negotiated. but with things stopping and starting we just don't know.

Another No Deal senario we have been told, If any person owns a property here and wants to avoid the UK winter, will only be allowed under visa rules to stay for 90 out of 180 days, and risk being refused a second visa if they stay longer than the 90 days.

I do know, a 6 month UK holiday visa cost £75, + £75 DHL return to the Canary Islands, +300€ return flights for 2 people to Madrid to attend a 30 minute interview appointment with the British consulate, fortunately my son's girl friend has relatives in Madrid so didn't have the added expense of accommodation. Which was required for a 1 week holiday last March.

My son's girl friend is a resident of the Caribbean, has a 10 year Spanish visa which allows her travel anywhere in Europe except the UK & Ireland.
Surprises me that you can’t have dual-citizenship, honestly didn’t know that. My grandparents must have foregone their British citizenship in that case.
 

Sick Boy

Well-Known Member
Sep 29, 2008
15,677
7,431
263
Verona, Italy
Surprises me that you can’t have dual-citizenship, honestly didn’t know that. My grandparents must have foregone their British citizenship in that case.
It's up to each individual country to decide if they allow dual citizenship or not.
 

Sick Boy

Well-Known Member
Sep 29, 2008
15,677
7,431
263
Verona, Italy
At this present moment we are only here as European citizens. We are constantly having meetings with the local British Consulate. We are being told different things all the time.

Unlike some countries Spain dose not allow other Europeans Dual 'Citizen' Passports, only Spanish Colonial countries can have dual passports.

Our permanent stay requires us to have the 'Residensia' paper work up to date, even Spanish citizens have keep this up to date every 5 years. We have the local police come round your house to check the address given is correct, if not you are removed from their records, you would then be considered an illegal immigrant - which a lot of older expats could possibly be. E.g they bought a property 20 years ago and not undated their status during this time, therefore they would be removed from the system - with the local government officials assuming they have moved back to the UK.
So at the moment we are just being asked to ensure at the least we are on the Spanish system.

Our permanent stay may only last another 3-5 years if there is a no deal, after that time depends on your personal circumstances. Also our stay even with a deal depends on what exactly is in the deal. Remain is straight forward - nothing in our situation changes.

Depending on a deal - we may be allowed special European status, which means with our "Spanish Residensia" we could get treated as a Spanish citizen through out the rest of Europe. This is still being negotiated. but with things stopping and starting we just don't know.

Another No Deal senario we have been told, If any person owns a property here and wants to avoid the UK winter, will only be allowed under visa rules to stay for 90 out of 180 days, and risk being refused a second visa if they stay longer than the 90 days.

I do know, a 6 month UK holiday visa cost £75, + £75 DHL return to the Canary Islands, +300€ return flights for 2 people to Madrid to attend a 30 minute interview appointment with the British consulate, fortunately my son's girl friend has relatives in Madrid so didn't have the added expense of accommodation. Which was required for a 1 week holiday last March.

My son's girl friend is a resident of the Caribbean, has a 10 year Spanish visa which allows her travel anywhere in Europe except the UK & Ireland.
I hope it all works out for you.

The police checks are similar to how it works in Italy; another example of a power that the UK has had to monitor and control EU migration but has not bothered to do so.

I do think that the days of British citizens being able to come and go in the EU and stay for as long as they wish will come to an end and they will only be able to stay for a certain number of days per year.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
Aug 2, 2013
25,341
10,365
263
It's up to each individual country to decide if they allow dual citizenship or not.
Even then there’s anomaly’s. I’m one of four children and we’re all entitled to dual nationality with Ireland. However my brother who’s the eldest of us was born on the island of Ireland so his children also qualify for dual nationality with Ireland whereas my children don’t even though I’ve claimed my dual nationality and my brother hasn’t.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
Aug 2, 2013
25,341
10,365
263
Not doubting that, just surprised as I thought it was a standard.
I know that you can have British/Danish dual nationality but if by the time you reach 21 you haven’t collated up to 18months (think that’s right but it may be 12months) of your life in Denmark you will loose your Danish nationality.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
Jan 24, 2011
10,848
4,625
163
Malvern
Where's the option "Couldn't give a toss coz they're all the same"?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
Aug 2, 2013
25,341
10,365
263
Pleasantly surprised so far by the results. I know that the reality is that the votes have been cast from all corners of the country but it stands to reason that the majority of votes are going to be from a labour stronghold such as Coventry and the results so far seem to suggest that people either aren’t voting based solely on Brexit or the Labour Party has actually got its tactics right on that single issue. The results certainly seem to indicate that there’s no appetite for what Ferage is currently telling the country what they voted for which is pleasing. The only conclusion is that Boris doesn’t look at this moment in time to be making strides big enough in Coventry to take seats of labour. Plenty of time for things to change though of course and I’m not suggesting that a poll on a football forum is in anyway scientific although to be fair the Brexit pollon here ended up being more accurate than the big pollsters who were saying a narrow remain win.

ps apologies again for the lack of an option for none of the above.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
Dec 6, 2012
5,903
3,454
163
I wouldn’t assume that all of us live in Cov. Northampton North constituency for me.
This one could easily turn red this time around, especially given all the nonsense of the Tory council going bust.

Mine is Wellingborough - with the dinosaur Peter Bone. Can’t see it changing sadly.