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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #71
Deity said:
Unless the budget is increasing I do hope not .... this team lacks quality.
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It’s just finished 16th in the the first season at this level...what are your expectations?
 
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Deity

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #72
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It’s just finished 16th in the the first season at this level...what are your expectations?
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Delighted with 16th but 3 weeks ago we looked like we were heading for relegation. You can’t allow a string final 3 weeks to mask that for most of the season we have struggled.

I want us to progress to do that we have to be prepared to sacrifice some good solid servants to create wages for new players.
 

Johhny Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #73
he knows that Hyam, Rose, Fadz, has not been good enough all season. He knows that Pask isn’t up to it ...

Allen, Shipley will go...

Biamou and Godden could go too.

one of the keepers will leave too
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But where will the goats come from?
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #74
Johhny Blue said:
he knows that Hyam, Rose, Fadz, has not been good enough all season. He knows that Pask isn’t up to it ...

Allen, Shipley will go...

Biamou and Godden could go too.

one of the keepers will leave too
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But where will the goats come from?
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Goats?
As in feed the goats and they will score?
 
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robbiethemole

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #75
fatso said:
But where will the goats come from?
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Goats?
As in feed the goats and they will score?
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you can't be suggesting getting Julian "the goat" Goater back, are you?? hahahahhahahahhahahah
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #76
Deity said:
Delighted with 16th but 3 weeks ago we looked like we were heading for relegation. You can’t allow a string final 3 weeks to mask that for most of the season we have struggled.

I want us to progress to do that we have to be prepared to sacrifice some good solid servants to create wages for new players.
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We were consistently 6-7 points above the relegation zone. If anything, you’re reading into a poor run of form against two very good teams away (B’mouth and QPR).

Lets also put this into perspective. Biamou made the most appearances as a striker this season. Our 4th choice going into the season.

Having a fully fit Walker and Godden alone will improve us.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #77
robbiethemole said:
Goats?
As in feed the goats and they will score?
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you can't be suggesting getting Julian "the goat" Goater back, are you?? hahahahhahahahhahahah
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Wasn't his name Shaun?
 
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blunted

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #78
Boddy says baby steps and a restricted budget so I will be surprised if most of the main starters are not retained. MR has said or hinted there will be contracts for Jodie Jones, Kelly and he will bring in James. Wage dependent obviously. Also says he needs to address the goalkeeping problem, although that is more open to wider interpretation as he may have been talking about the defence in general. MR said after Cardiff, Max was well on his way to earning a contract. Then Oggy, who must be in the know, strongly hinted he will be leaving. Maybe a longer contract in a lower division. Hyam will surely stay after being virtually ever present and I will be surprised if Mc Faz is not offered something. Thought Sheaf was an obligation. Kasta, Jobello, Baka (see Instagram) likely to be told bye bye. Hillsner don't know but does not bode well how his Oldham loan turned out. Allen may not be here next year on his performances last season and Mason is surely a goner.
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #79
blunted said:
Boddy says baby steps and a restricted budget so I will be surprised if most of the main starters are not retained. MR has said or hinted there will be contracts for Jodie Jones, Kelly and he will bring in James. Wage dependent obviously. Also says he needs to address the goalkeeping problem, although that is more open to wider interpretation as he may have been talking about the defence in general. MR said after Cardiff, Max was well on his way to earning a contract. Then Oggy, who must be in the know, strongly hinted he will be leaving. Maybe a longer contract in a lower division. Hyam will surely stay after being virtually ever present and I will be surprised if Mc Faz is not offered something. Thought Sheaf was an obligation. Kasta, Jobello, Baka (see Instagram) likely to be told bye bye. Hillsner don't know but does not bode well how his Oldham loan turned out. Allen may not be here next year on his performances last season and Mason is surely a goner.
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The problem with that is half the players you've listed are still under contract, we need to find clubs willing to take them to free up wages.
 
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blunted

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #80
Frostie said:
The problem with that is half the players you've listed are still under contract, we need to find clubs willing to take them to free up wages.
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I completely agree. Allen may get a league 1 club, the rest a payoff I think.
 

better days

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #81
Deity said:
Unless the budget is increasing I do hope not .... this team lacks quality.
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They will all be Robins' decisions
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #82
blunted said:
I completely agree. Allen may get a league 1 club, the rest a payoff I think.
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If we pay them off we end up with a smaller budget along with a smaller squad. We'd prob be willing to terminate contracts if they have something lined up that will only happen if they're on a free but we're not going to be paying people off that are under contract unless they're affecting squad morale. At this time there doesn't seem to be anyone doing that.
 
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Hobo

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #83
blunted said:
I completely agree. Allen may get a league 1 club, the rest a payoff I think.
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How does a payoff free up money unless it is less than the remaining contract? If it is less , why would the player take it unless they had another club lined up?
 

larry_david

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #84
Wonder if this comes out tomorrow
 

Johhny Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #85
robbiethemole said:
Goats?
As in feed the goats and they will score?
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you can't be suggesting getting Julian "the goat" Goater back, are you?? hahahahhahahahhahahah
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As in "Scapegoats"
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #86
Deity said:
Delighted with 16th but 3 weeks ago we looked like we were heading for relegation. You can’t allow a string final 3 weeks to mask that for most of the season we have struggled.

I want us to progress to do that we have to be prepared to sacrifice some good solid servants to create wages for new players.
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But regardless we finished 16th.

Whether those strong three weeks you refer to happened at the end of the season, the start, or the middle, it doesn't matter - we won enough points to finish 16th
 
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Winny the Bish

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #87
McFadzean hinting that he's going to get a new contract according to the Telegraph. Don't mind it as long as he's not starting 35+ games next season.
 
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steve cooper

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #88
PVA said:
But regardless we finished 16th.

Whether those strong three weeks you refer to happened at the end of the season, the start, or the middle, it doesn't matter - we won enough points to finish 16th
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Yes, it's like scoring the winning goal in the 95th minute, people say the losing team were unlucky but the game lasts until the final whistle.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #89
PVA said:
But regardless we finished 16th.

Whether those strong three weeks you refer to happened at the end of the season, the start, or the middle, it doesn't matter - we won enough points to finish 16th
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Can’t be arsed to work it out, but if our good and bad runs second half of the season had been reversed we’d probably have people thinking we’re a top half team that just dropped off at the end.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #90
skyblue93 said:
McFadzean hinting that he's going to get a new contract according to the Telegraph. Don't mind it as long as he's not starting 35+ games next season.
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I wonder if he will go in to a coaching eventually. So maybe we will keep him on for that. Or is he a bit young as only 34
 

blunted

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #91
Hobo said:
How does a payoff free up money unless it is less than the remaining contract? If it is less , why would the player take it unless they had another club lined up?
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OK take the point. In a pandemic, it is going to be really difficult to offload players. At the moment, you can have nine players on the bench and we have some players in contract that are not troubling the bench and MR has hinted he wants to get rid. Lot of clubs trying to do the same. So what’s to do? Best case scenario loan out and the other club will pay their wages. Next, loan paying part wages, but still a tough one to arrange. Then you loan out, you pay the wages and hope their form improves so you can sell or offload on a free transfer. Most likely, you say they can leave on a free transfer and see if there are any takers. Finally, it’s the payoff, or cutting your losses. I’m not an accountant and not familiar with football finance but I assume it is similar to most business practice. Old Sky Blue would know. You pay part of the contract up in a lump sum. If accepted, you no longer have to make National Insurance or pension payments. Depending on the payoff, you can break even after a period of time and save money thereafter. Not ideal, but better than paying the whole contract in increments until it runs out. Used to happen all the time. Not sure if its an option during current times but may be a necessity.
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • May 10, 2021
  • #92
Deity said:
Delighted with 16th but 3 weeks ago we looked like we were heading for relegation. You can’t allow a string final 3 weeks to mask that for most of the season we have struggled.

I want us to progress to do that we have to be prepared to sacrifice some good solid servants to create wages for new players.
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Would you rather be Bristol City who got all their points early and never looked in danger of going down? Or Blackburn who had short good runs and bad runs? When we got the points is irrelevant to who Robins lets go/brings in.

And if we'd have finished 10th, the approach is still the same; where can we improve within the budget constraints we have.
 
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Alex1987

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #93
Reckon we will get an update this week? It's usually pretty soon after the season ends from memory
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • May 10, 2021
  • #94
better days said:
They will all be Robins' decisions
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Surely can't be many arguments over keeping the likes of McFadzean, Kelly, Hyam. We need a certain amount of continuity and these players have already shown they are good enough to at least survive at this level. Evolution not revolution.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #95
Alex1987 said:
Reckon we will get an update this week? It's usually pretty soon after the season ends from memory
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Should do, last years was 3 days after end of season announced.
 
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better days

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #96
mark82 said:
Surely can't be many arguments over keeping the likes of McFadzean, Kelly, Hyam. We need a certain amount of continuity and these players have already shown they are good enough to at least survive at this level. Evolution not revolution.
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I'd expect all those guys to be offered deals
Suspect one or two have already been done and others are in negotiation
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 10, 2021
  • #97
better days said:
I'd expect all those guys to be offered deals
Suspect one or two have already been done and others are in negotiation
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Any thoughts on when list will come out?
 

better days

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #98
Sky Blue Pete said:
Any thoughts on when list will come out?
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Can't be long
I believe most of those being released have already been told
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #99
better days said:
Can't be long
I believe most of those being released have already been told
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Tough time for some of the young lads who haven’t got many games behind them having to find clubs who will be being extra cautious on handing contracts out.
 

better days

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #100
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Tough time for some of the young lads who haven’t got many games behind them having to find clubs who will be being extra cautious on handing contracts out.
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Terrible
Football is a pretty harsh business
 
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skybluegod

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #101
Keelan fallows one of the young academy kids has posted his thanks after being released. Although academy I imagine MR has some input. So as better days says, I'd imagine the conversations have happened or are happening, so more news next couple days I'd think.
 

SleepyGinger

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #102
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Tough time for some of the young lads who haven’t got many games behind them having to find clubs who will be being extra cautious on handing contracts out.
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I wonder how much being a ‘championship player’ affects the value of some of the players being let go. For example shipley has played 20 odd games this year getting 3 goals for a team that survived comfortably in the end. When you think how much emphasis we on here put on signing players with championship ‘experience’ when we went up. Pask and Allen would be the same, would it even influence a league 2 club to sign Thompson having played twice this season.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #103
Some clubs - e.g. the L1 play off contenders won't know what they're shopping for until they know which division they're in. It may also affect Derby's activity - who would want to go there if they start with a large points deduction, or if they have the threat of relegation hanging over them. Glad we have some relative stability for once!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #104
Deity said:
Delighted with 16th but 3 weeks ago we looked like we were heading for relegation. You can’t allow a string final 3 weeks to mask that for most of the season we have struggled.

I want us to progress to do that we have to be prepared to sacrifice some good solid servants to create wages for new players.
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It's funny how the upturn in form coincided with having an almost full strength team to choose from
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2021
  • #105
Bakayoko has posted a goodbye message
 
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