Sky Blue Pete
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How do you get consistency over subjective decisions?
How do you get consistency over subjective decisions?I get we’ve had a few decisions go our way this season (Wilson not getting sent off at qpr as an example), but if everything evens itself out over the season we’ve got an awful lot coming our way.
Consistency isn’t too much to ask for is it?
Indeed. Unfortunately the biased fan will/can never grasp that.How do you get consistency over subjective decisions?
This is the refs view. It looks as though he's trying to grab the other player rugby tackle style.The ref had just about the same view as the camera shows.
Otis as a friend. I hope so being as I've never upset you I maybe one. Pop along to Specsavers old boy.
If it was us attacking and it hadn't been given, this would be all over Cov social media "HOW HAS HE NOT GIVEN THAT?!" etc. It's so boring and tiring. All TV analysis, phone in shows geared around their team being 'robbed' on what is a marginal call. All epitomized by the embarrassment that is Arteta and Arsenal this weekend, releasing a statement about a goal that may well have stayed in, possibly may have been a foul, it was soft but 'seen them given'. Funny there was no mention of the red card Havertz 'could' also have been given. Football has been subjective for 150 odd years, it will always be subjective. Accept that some decisions fall into a grey area.This is the refs view. It looks as though he's trying to grab the other player rugby tackle style.
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They're not that subjective, the referee is being asked to apply the rules of the game so it is not completely subjectiveHow do you get consistency over subjective decisions?
I agree that it is in applying the laws of the game that consistency is foundThey're not that subjective, the referee is being asked to apply the rules of the game so it is not completely subjective
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This is the refs view. It looks as though he's trying to grab the other player rugby tackle style.
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This is the refs view. It looks as though he's trying to grab the other player rugby tackle style.
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It has been all over social media, mostly from neutral posters (all over from many different clubs supporters) as a poor decision - from every roughly 10 comments, 8 can't believe a penalty was given.If it was us attacking and it hadn't been given, this would be all over Cov social media "HOW HAS HE NOT GIVEN THAT?!" etc. It's so boring and tiring. All TV analysis, phone in shows geared around their team being 'robbed' on what is a marginal call. All epitomized by the embarrassment that is Arteta and Arsenal this weekend, releasing a statement about a goal that may well have stayed in, possibly may have been a foul, it was soft but 'seen them given'. Funny there was no mention of the red card Havertz 'could' also have been given. Football has been subjective for 150 odd years, it will always be subjective. Accept that some decisions fall into a grey area.
And this is his view of the Simms one in the 73rd min (the defender's already diverted his run and tried to push Simms by this point).
If Simms had gone down and claimed a pen, he'd have probably got it.
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This is the whole point of decisions being subjective. Some think there's enough contact to warrant a foul, others don't, you will never get consistency.Is there actually any real contact, ie a push or pull back cos it looks like the bloke has stayed on his feet for another 5 seconds and got a shot away before falling down. Look at the Plymouth v Boro one..............full on contact and no foul/pen given
Yes it does look like Fadz is trying to grab the player, but he failed to do so. The striker, unaffected by the heinous action behind him, takes his shot, misses and is rewarded with a penalty. The striker wasn’t denied a goal scoring opportunity, he took it and missed.This is the refs view. It looks as though he's trying to grab the other player rugby tackle style.
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The same goes for police officers and judges, yet objectivity is non-existent there.They're not that subjective, the referee is being asked to apply the rules of the game so it is not completely subjective
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For those who are interested-here is the official line…..They're not that subjective, the referee is being asked to apply the rules of the game so it is not completely subjective
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so governed by a framework and not subjective? thanks for clearing that upFor those who are interested-here is the official line…..
Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.
So many words yet so little saidFor those who are interested-here is the official line…..
Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.
People want black and whiteSo many words yet so little said
Defines his ability as insufficient then.For those who are interested-here is the official line…..
Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.
Well it’s a lot of words to say ‘the referee calls what he sees’.People want black and white
Right and wrong
Good and evil
Nuance is everywhere
Calls what he sees is fine by me. Bin VAR, bin endless replays of incidents that cropped up in the sky era with Keys and Grey wanking over minimal contact in the box and declaring it a blatant foul, branding the referee a disgrace which has led us to VAR refereeing games and fucking nauseam which leads us to the same fucking outcome but it takes longer.Well it’s a lot of words to say ‘the referee calls what he sees’.
Almost like it was never a 'demotion' in the first place (as I kept saying).Anthony Taylor returns to Premier League action after being 'demoted'
The referee was embroiled in a spate of controversy after awarding a divisive penalty against Wolves to Newcastle during their 2-2 draw at Molineux at the end of October.www.dailymail.co.uk
Taylor given the big game of the weekend
Almost like it was never a 'demotion' in the first place (as I kept saying).
Is it any wonder we have such a shit state of affairs when there is a constant pile on for referees.
Depends on the offence - and how the laws are interpreted - examples being handball and fouls, so I accept that argument.They're not that subjective, the referee is being asked to apply the rules of the game so it is not completely subjective
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This is where a bit of coaching / common sense comes in:And this is his view of the Simms one in the 73rd min (the defender's already diverted his run and tried to push Simms by this point).
If Simms had gone down and claimed a pen, he'd have probably got it.
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I agreed on the timeframe situation but since heard a really good point on how much excessive pressure that puts on TV companies to get the correct angles, what if the time limits them to only show a couple of angles which aren't great and the refs opinion would be different with another etc. For what it's worth, I completely agree with you, but football fans are so irrational, you can see many examples on this thread. The issue we have is, everyone moaned about 'incompetent' refs because they don't give the exact decisions they would give, we end up with technology to improve it, it weakens the match experience and we still have the exact issue we had before.It’s supposed to be for clear and obvious errors so have replays at normal speed and a time limit on making a decision. If you need more than that it’s not clear and obvious
As for offsides get someone in who understands the maths and allow for a margin of error. The technology just doesn’t allow for the close calls they’re trying to use it for
I agreed on the timeframe situation but since heard a really good point on how much excessive pressure that puts on TV companies to get the correct angles, what if the time limits them to only show a couple of angles which aren't great and the refs opinion would be different with another etc. For what it's worth, I completely agree with you, but football fans are so irrational, you can see many examples on this thread. The issue we have is, everyone moaned about 'incompetent' refs because they don't give the exact decisions they would give, we end up with technology to improve it, it weakens the match experience and we still have the exact issue we had before.
Possibly but that is irrelevant to what angle is best to see an incident as there could be players etc in the way. The impetus is then put on TV companies to provide images in a very time sensitive/high pressured scenario, which inevitably they won't get right every time and then you can get even angrier about the failings.Shouldn't every stadium using VAR have cameras in the same angles?
Not everything has a transmission or as in the song "the revolution will not be televisedShouldn't every stadium using VAR have cameras in the same angles?
There needs to be massive improvements for sure but just taking the Anthony Taylor example...But they are being piled on because they are awful.
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