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Deleted member 2477

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #1
Is it today we should hear the result of the appeal on Fadz sending off ?
if there is any justic then it must be recinded but then again its the EFL so I wont hold my breath
 
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Bad Boy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #2
Ok, let me get my head around this........

If the red card is rescinded, then Fadz shouldn’t have been sent off and therefore it shouldn’t have been a penalty and we wouldn’t have gone 2-0 down at that stage of the game and we could have staged a comeback when the score stood at 1-0...........

Or am I missing the point here?

I don’t understand football anymore.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #3
bad boy said:
Ok, let me get my head around this........

If the red card is rescinded, then Fadz shouldn’t have been sent off and therefore it shouldn’t have been a penalty and we wouldn’t have gone 2-0 down at that stage of the game and we could have staged a comeback when the score stood at 1-0...........

Or am I missing the point here?

I don’t understand football anymore.
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Yup. If it gets rescinded, McFazdean is free to play against Wycombe, the goal is knocked off, the result is voided and we have to pay them again on Sunday.
 
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mrtrench

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #4
bad boy said:
Ok, let me get my head around this........

If the red card is rescinded, then Fadz shouldn’t have been sent off and therefore it shouldn’t have been a penalty and we wouldn’t have gone 2-0 down at that stage of the game and we could have staged a comeback when the score stood at 1-0...........

Or am I missing the point here?

I don’t understand football anymore.
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And if we are subsequently relegated by goal difference, we'll never know if we would have secured a point against Luton and stayed up. This is why VAR was introduced... a £1 billion industry where the benefits are massively skewed to the most successful and yet failure can be realised by a single error by one person in one game.
 
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TewkesburySkyBlue

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #5
mrtrench said:
And if we are subsequently relegated by goal difference, we'll never know if we would have secured a point against Luton and stayed up. This is why VAR was introduced... a £1 billion industry where the benefits are massively skewed to the most successful and yet failure can be realised by a single error by one person in one game.
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That’s probably why EFL won’t rescind it as it opens up a right can of worms . We just seem to get the rub of the green very often .
 
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TewkesburySkyBlue

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #6
TewkesburySkyBlue said:
That’s probably why EFL won’t rescind it as it opens up a right can of worms . We just seem to get the rub of the green very often .
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Don’t seem !!! Sorry
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #7
The club wouldn't be forming a case if they genuinely believe it wasn't a red card.

As if they fail, they run the the risk of McFadzean receiving an increased suspension - but only if the panel believe the appeal has been an abuse of the process.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #8
So, is it today that we hear? You'd hope so re: preparation for Saturday.
 
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Skybluebeliever

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #9
Sky Blue Harry H said:
So, is it today that we hear? You'd hope so re: preparation for Saturday.
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Yes should hear this morning
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #10
I cannot remember us ever having an appeal for a red upheld
happens for other teams all of the time, but I dont think we have ever been successful
The 1st appeal i can remember was one for Dion using his elbow (he did use his elbow, but this was around the time they started to penalise use of the elbow)
 

SBS

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #11
mrtrench said:
And if we are subsequently relegated by goal difference, we'll never know if we would have secured a point against Luton and stayed up. This is why VAR was introduced... a £1 billion industry where the benefits are massively skewed to the most successful and yet failure can be realised by a single error by one person in one game.
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Win some you lose some. Were you complaining after Notts County away?
 
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skyblueelephant76

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #12
skybluesam66 said:
I cannot remember us ever having an appeal for a red upheld
happens for other teams all of the time, but I dont think we have ever been successful
The 1st appeal i can remember was one for Dion using his elbow (he did use his elbow, but this was around the time they started to penalise use of the elbow)
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We had one of the first ever ones to be overturned by video evidence after Schmeichel pretended he'd been punched by Micky Quinn
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #13
SBS said:
Win some you lose some. Were you complaining after Notts County away?
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Or Notts county at home... that was right in front of me. Still don’t think that was a penalty
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #14
Sky Blue Harry H said:
So, is it today that we hear? You'd hope so re: preparation for Saturday.
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Yes
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #15
TewkesburySkyBlue said:
That’s probably why EFL won’t rescind it as it opens up a right can of worms . We just seem to get the rub of the green very often .
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The jeopardy rule is confusing now and often players have not been sent off if handballing in the area and I assume that’s the appeal
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #16
Grendel said:
The jeopardy rule is confusing now and often players have not been sent off if handballing in the area and I assume that’s the appeal
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I think it’s that the ref couldn’t have seen the handball as he wasn’t sighted and it looks like he may have got it wrong
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #17
Grendel said:
The jeopardy rule is confusing now and often players have not been sent off if handballing in the area and I assume that’s the appeal
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Deliberate Handball to prevent the ball going into the goal is always a red card. The appeal is that it hit the top of the arm so wasn't actually handball at all.

 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #18
If it hit that area, or very close to it, I can't see how it is deliberate handball.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #19
Sky Blue Harry H said:
If it hit that area, or very close to it, I can't see how it is deliberate handball.
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He moved across and I’m sure it his his hand on the way down
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #20
bad boy said:
Ok, let me get my head around this........

If the red card is rescinded, then Fadz shouldn’t have been sent off and therefore it shouldn’t have been a penalty and we wouldn’t have gone 2-0 down at that stage of the game and we could have staged a comeback when the score stood at 1-0...........

Or am I missing the point here?

I don’t understand football anymore.
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Depends. I haven’t watched enough to see but if say it hit his shoulder then his hand it’s a pen but not a red. Otherwise yeah.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #21
shmmeee said:
Depends. I haven’t watched enough to see but if say it hit his shoulder then his hand it’s a pen but not a red. Otherwise yeah.
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That’s what I think. Someone else said it hit his knee on the way down.
can you imagine if it was upheld and the ref said he gave it although he didn’t see it
 

Major Tom

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #22
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
The club wouldn't be forming a case if they genuinely believe it wasn't a red card.

As if they fail, they run the the risk of McFadzean receiving an increased suspension - but only if the panel believe the appeal has been an abuse of the process.
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I’ve never got my head around the fact that if you loose the appeal the suspension could go up. What’s the justification, not like the offence has got worse?
 
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Cov kid 55

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #23
skyblueelephant76 said:
We had one of the first ever ones to be overturned by video evidence after Schmeichel pretended he'd been punched by Micky Quinn
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That was disgraceful. Schmeichel was interviewed afterwards and said ‘he’s a good player, so he doesn’t need to do that’. Actual quote. Then it gets overturned because Quinn didn’t do anything. It’s one thing to take a dive in a game, rotten, but it happens. But to compound it after the match....
 

Sick Boy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #24
Cov kid 55 said:
That was disgraceful. Schmeichel was interviewed afterwards and said ‘he’s a good player, so he doesn’t need to do that’. Actual quote. Then it gets overturned because Quinn didn’t do anything. It’s one thing to take a dive in a game, rotten, but it happens. But to compound it after the match....
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That was when we lost 1-0, right? Their fans took over the ground that day, it was like spot the city fan.
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #25
Major Tom said:
I’ve never got my head around the fact that if you loose the appeal the suspension could go up. What’s the justification, not like the offence has got worse?
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Frivolous appeal. i.e. so blatantly deserved that you're wasting everyone's time in re-investigating etc. Would never be the case in this scenario & I'm not sure anyone has been punished for frivolous appeal in years anyway.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #26
Major Tom said:
I’ve never got my head around the fact that if you loose the appeal the suspension could go up. What’s the justification, not like the offence has got worse?
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It's to stop clubs making frivolous appeals, and is more effective than a fine, as otherwise rich clubs would/could appeal everything, whilst clubs struggling financially may be wary of appealing a valid case.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #27
Frostie said:
Frivolous appeal. i.e. so blatantly deserved that you're wasting everyone's time in re-investigating etc. Would never be the case in this scenario & I'm not sure anyone has been punished for frivolous appeal in years anyway.
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I vaguely remember someone having an additional one game ban added a few years back (but probably imagining it - age thing!) Off to Google!!

Edit: Saddo that I am..........

Rio Ferdinand's ban extended to four games after 'frivolous' appeal

The Manchester United defender has had his appeal against a three-match ban for violent conduct against Hull rejected by the FA
www.theguardian.com
 
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steve cooper

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #28
Sky Blue Pete said:
He moved across and I’m sure it his his hand on the way down
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am I correct in saying the handball rule was clarified so that the first contact is what counts, i.e. if it hits a hand after the initial contact it is not deemed a penalty?
 
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South West Sky Blue

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #29
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I vaguely remember someone having an additional one game ban added a few years back (but probably imagining it - age thing!) Off to Google!!
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From the top of my head, I remember Man U appealing against a red card for Ferdinand (definitely Man U, but not 100% sure it was Ferdinand). Blatantly obvious red card. they stupidly put in an appeal and the ban was extended a game. Would be about 10 years ago now. There's got to be more than this though.......
 
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cov donkey kick

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #30
Not expecting justice to be in our favor today, but live in hope.
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #31
South West Sky Blue said:
From the top of my head, I remember Man U appealing against a red card for Ferdinand (definitely Man U, but not 100% sure it was Ferdinand). Blatantly obvious red card. they stupidly put in an appeal and the ban was extended a game. Would be about 10 years ago now. There's got to be more than this though.......
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Yeah, pretty sure it was Rio. It's definitely happened quite a few times but I can't remember one for years & years.
As I said not an issue in our scenario but interesting nevertheless.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #32
South West Sky Blue said:
From the top of my head, I remember Man U appealing against a red card for Ferdinand (definitely Man U, but not 100% sure it was Ferdinand). Blatantly obvious red card. they stupidly put in an appeal and the ban was extended a game. Would be about 10 years ago now. There's got to be more than this though.......
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I added this to my original post - well played you; fantastic recall !!
 
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Briles

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #33
Taking my rose tinted glasses off Fadz did use his arm to me himself bigger, the ball struck the side of his chest and onto the underside of his arm. The ball would have gone in without his arm. Still harsh.
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #34
Briles said:
Taking my rose tinted glasses off Fadz did use his arm to me himself bigger, the ball struck the side of his chest and onto the underside of his arm. The ball would have gone in without his arm. Still harsh.
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Yes but the top of his arm i.e. the shirt sleeve which is NOT handball
 
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Hobo

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #35
Major Tom said:
I’ve never got my head around the fact that if you loose the appeal the suspension could go up. What’s the justification, not like the offence has got worse?
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It is to prevent everyone challenging decisions in hope you get them overturned. Basically have a good case or the punishment goes up for wasting everyones time - if you think about it an unjustified appeal is a kind of descent.
 
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