Ratings v Luton (1 Viewer)

rob9872 · Dec 15, 2018

8.30 and no ratings thread shows how poor we were again despite difficult conditions, but I'll start one for no reason other than to let you tell me I'm wrong :

Burge 6 Positioning arguably not great on 1 goal but not culpable and not loads to do
Grimmer 5 not good enough on the ball today and often made the wrong call
Brown 4 so frustrating. People keep telling me he's good but I can't see it. Managers decision to get up the wing I understand but he's always out of position and a complete liability.
Willis 6 looked ok without being outstanding
Davies 6 as above
Kelly 6 worked hard but not good enough in possession
Bayliss 5 how sponsors gave him motm I'll never know!
Shipley 5 tracked back and covered well bit offered very little with ball
Thomas 6 usual great effort but no end product and poor decision making
Hiwula 3 never a footballer
JCH 3 would've been a 2 but a point for the penalty

Subs

Hyam 6 did nothing wrong
Allassani 6 looked lively in a dead game
Chaplin 3 I'm worried about our striking options and didn't do enough

Robins 1 poor set up, wrong selections, wrong formation, wrong tactics, wrong subs and needs to sort things quickly.

Worrying times!

Old Warwickshire lad · Dec 15, 2018

No disrespect Rob but if yours is the only post I will be what they deserve.

skyblueeyesrevisited · Dec 15, 2018

Fat zero for the lot of them.
- 5 for Robins for having the cheak to blame the conditions.

speedie87 · Dec 15, 2018

Burge 6
Grimmer 7
Davies 7
Willis 7
Brown 7
Kelly 6
Shipley 4
Baylis 6
Hiwula 5
Thomas 7
Jch 6

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Dec 15, 2018

speedie87 said:
Burge 6
Grimmer 7
Davies 7
Willis 7
Brown 7
Kelly 6
Shipley 4
Baylis 6
Hiwula 5
Thomas 7
Jch 6

Burge 4 - not sure how he’s getting 6s was at fault got first goal and distribution was absolutely shocking
Grimmer 6 - solid enough
Willis 6 - likewise, injury worrying
Davies 5.5 - was okay, got away with a bad mistake which lead to a one v one they put wide
Mason 6.5 - thought he was best of the back four, tenacious and got forward well
Thomas 7 - always our biggest threat. Worrying he leaves in January
Bayliss - 4.5 love him but he had a shocker
Shipley - 4 really poor again
Hiwula 4 - unlucky with the ‘goal’ but otherwise poor
JCH 3 - dreadful today

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Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 15, 2018

skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Fat zero for the lot of them.
- 5 for Robins for having the cheak to blame the conditions.

That's what happens when he showers in gravy before kick off, the stuff evaporates too quick

Skybluefaz · Dec 15, 2018

rob9872 said:
8.30 and no ratings thread shows how poor we were again despite difficult conditions, but I'll start one for no reason other than to let you tell me I'm wrong :

Burge 6 Positioning arguably not great on 1 goal but not culpable and not loads to do
Grimmer 5 not good enough on the ball today and often made the wrong call
Brown 4 so frustrating. People keep telling me he's good but I can't see it. Managers decision to get up the wing I understand but he's always out of position and a complete liability.
Willis 6 looked ok without being outstanding
Davies 6 as above
Kelly 6 worked hard but not good enough in possession
Bayliss 5 how sponsors gave him motm I'll never know!
Shipley 5 tracked back and covered well bit offered very little with ball
Thomas 6 usual great effort but no end product and poor decision making
Hiwula 3 never a footballer
JCH 3 would've been a 2 but a point for the penalty

Subs

Hyam 6 did nothing wrong
Allassani 6 looked lively in a dead game
Chaplin 3 I'm worried about our striking options and didn't do enough

Robins 1 poor set up, wrong selections, wrong formation, wrong tactics, wrong subs and needs to sort things quickly.

Worrying times!

Shipley covered well? Like when there winger breezed past him and squared it for the second goal? The lad does his best but it was another 90 minutes when I can't recall a tackle from him and when it counts he fluffs the pass (first half to Thomas) .
Anyway -
Burge 5 - looked culpable for their first to me. Fear he's going to stick to his line now after last weeks mistake.
Grimmer 5 - poor delivery, hard time defensively
Davies 5 - lucky to escape a big error in the first half, struggled with Collins
Willis 6 - as above without the big error
Brown 7 - looked reasonable going forward and solid enough
Shipley 4 - tried but no quality when it counts
Kelly 6 - very neat at times needs Doyle in there with him though
Bayliss 5 - showed glimpses but ultimately never really got in the game
Thomas 6 - effort great quality not there today
Hiwula 4 - needs to play Central.
JCH 4 - doesn't play the role well. Too much diving today, didn't win enough or make good runs. Tried a bit after 70 minutes as he tends to do. Needs dropping though

Subs - Allassani looked neat on the ball no one else did owt of note

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 15, 2018

Bakafuckwit and Willis 10 for ruling themselves out of future shit shows for the next 2 months

cc84cov · Dec 15, 2018

skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Fat zero for the lot of them.
- 5 for Robins for having the cheak to blame the conditions.

Tactically very poor seems to becoming regular now.

CCFC_Charlie · Dec 15, 2018

Burge 5
Grimmer 4
Willis 5
Davies 6
Brown 5
Kelly 4
Thomas 6
Bayliss 3
Shipley 4
Hiwula 3
Clarke-Harris 3

Hyam 5
Chaplin 3
Allassani 6

Dreadful, dreadful performance. Completely bossed by a far superior team.

rob9872 · Dec 15, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Shipley covered well? Like when there winger breezed past him and squared it for the second goal? The lad does his best but it was another 90 minutes when I can't recall a tackle from him and when it counts he fluffs the pass (first half to Thomas) .
Anyway -
Burge 5 - looked culpable for their first to me. Fear he's going to stick to his line now after last weeks mistake.
Grimmer 5 - poor delivery, hard time defensively
Davies 5 - lucky to escape a big error in the first half, struggled with Collins
Willis 6 - as above without the big error
Brown 7 - looked reasonable going forward and solid enough
Shipley 4 - tried but no quality when it counts
Kelly 6 - very neat at times needs Doyle in there with him though
Bayliss 5 - showed glimpses but ultimately never really got in the game
Thomas 6 - effort great quality not there today
Hiwula 4 - needs to play Central.
JCH 4 - doesn't play the role well. Too much diving today, didn't win enough or make good runs. Tried a bit after 70 minutes as he tends to do. Needs dropping though

Subs - Allassani looked neat on the ball no one else did owt of note

Where was Brown when that cross went past Shipley? He was covering at that point which frank what I said. I've also only scored him 5 and said he was poor but you're hughlighting that Brown was worse again and yet you've somehow given him a 7!

Skybluefaz · Dec 15, 2018

rob9872 said:
Where was Brown when that cross went past Shipley? He was covering at that point which frank what I said. I've also only scored him 5 and said he was poor but you're hughlighting that Brown was worse again and yet you've somehow given him a 7!

Tbf he wasn't covering then as Brown was behind him, it was just another example of his inability to put a challenge in. Brown was good today.

rob9872 · Dec 15, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Tbf he wasn't covering then as Brown was behind him, it was just another example of his inability to put a challenge in. Brown was good today.

I absolutely disagree. That was Brown's man and he left him. I pointed out numerous times we got away with it when Brown was wandering. I also read he's good going forward. Can anyone tell me how many goals he's scored or created this entire season as I can't recall a single one!

Skybluefaz · Dec 15, 2018

rob9872 said:
I absolutely disagree. That was Brown's man and he left him. I pointed out numerous times we got away with it when Brown was wandering. I also read he's good going forward. Can anyone tell me how many goals he's scored or created this entire season as I can't recall a single one!

Well the popular opinion seems to be that Brown was one of if not the best player for us today. Well done for seeing something almost everyone else didn't.

stupot07 · Dec 15, 2018

Burge 6 - poor distribution
Grimmer 6 - tried hard but lacked quality
Willis 5 - Lost the battle with collins before his injury
Davies 5 - poor error gifted a glorious chance in the first half.
Brown 5 - ok, Doesn't do enough going forward
Kelly 5.5 - ok, some nice passing but unable to dominate the midfield
Bayliss 5 - flashes of quality but lacked end product and Lost the midfield battle.
Thomas 6.5 - our best Player, albeit lacking end product. If we lose him in January, we will likely be in a relegation battle.
Shipley 4 - some sloppy play, worked hard but not good enough today.
Hiwula 3 - anonymous. Offers nothing from open play.
JCH 3 - anonymous, should take a look at collins the way he uses his body, holds the ball up And brings people into play. Hard up top on his own, but Just not good enough.

Chaplin 4 - meh
Allasani 5 - one great cross, worth a start
Hyam 5 - Did ok. No worse or Better than Willis and Davies

Robins 1 - the formation Doesn't work, too negative, set up not to lose encouraged Luton to push forward and pressurise us.

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rob9872 · Dec 15, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Well the popular opinion seems to be that Brown was one of if not the best player for us today. Well done for seeing something almost everyone else didn't.

I guess I should simply row in behind like a fish then as forum boards are exceptionally interesting when everyone has the same viewpoint. ...

Otis · Dec 15, 2018

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
Burge 4 - not sure how he’s getting 6s was at fault got first goal and distribution was absolutely shocking
Grimmer 6 - solid enough
Willis 6 - likewise, injury worrying
Davies 5.5 - was okay, got away with a bad mistake which lead to a one v one they put wide
Mason 6.5 - thought he was best of the back four, tenacious and got forward well
Thomas 7 - always our biggest threat. Worrying he leaves in January
Bayliss - 4.5 love him but he had a shocker
Shipley - 4 really poor again
Hiwula 4 - unlucky with the ‘goal’ but otherwise poor
JCH 3 - dreadful today

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If Mason got 6.5 it's no wonder we lost.

Burge 5.5 - His kicking was shocking today.

Grimmer - 6

Willis - 6

Davies - 5. Was very, very poor in that first half and could have easily cost us two goals.

Brown - 6

Thomas - 6

Kelly - 5. Walzted passed and brushed off far too easily at times. Quite good on the ball, poor off it.

Shipley - 4.5. Dreadful for the first 35 mins or so, then showed glimpses of what he is capable of as the half drew to a close, but then poor again in the second half.

Bayliss - 6.

Hiwula - 4. Thought he was very, very poor bar that goal that was, that wasn't. Offered nothing.

JCH - 5. Hardly won a header all and looked very leggy. Don't like him at all on his own up front.

Skybluefaz · Dec 15, 2018

rob9872 said:
I guess I should simply row in behind like a fish then as forum boards are exceptionally interesting when everyone has the same viewpoint. ...

Simply backing my own view whilst being sarcastic. You've come back with a similar retort. It's what Saturday evenings are all about

Otis · Dec 15, 2018

I thought Brown was okay today.

Mason however, did nothing.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Dec 16, 2018

Otis said:
I thought Brown was okay today.

Mason however, did nothing.

I managed to miss Kelly as well. I blame a particularly bad mood from being frozen, wet and bored

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Otis · Dec 16, 2018

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I managed to miss Kelly as well. I blame a particularly bad mood from being frozen, wet and bored

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Not worse than me I don't think.

I had a very shitty journey home.

45 min walk. Umbrella blew inside out and broke, so had to throw it in the bin. Got totally soaked to the skin. Was wearing glasses so constant raindrops on my lenses making my visibility poor. Dropped my gloves in a puddle whilst wrestling with my umbrella.

New boots were cutting into my left heel, so it was painful walking and somehow I must have had some sort of cream on my forehead. Not sure what exactly.(maybe a bit of soap or shampoo), but as the rain was running off my forehead and getting into my eyes it was making my eyes really sting, again spoiling my vision. By the time I got home my eyes were really, really red.

it was also so bloody cold and windy.

Oh.... and the city lost and played shit too,though do accept that was the same for everyone.

Grendel · Dec 16, 2018

Brown gave a competent enough performance.

Other than that it was all pretty poor

Worst game from Thomas for some time and without him on his game we don’t offer anything going forward at all

We can’t persist with one up front. I still cannot work out where Chaplin was playing when he cane on

Otis · Dec 16, 2018

He seemed to immediately go wide right for some reason.

SAJ · Dec 16, 2018

CCFC_Charlie said:
Burge 5
Grimmer 4
Willis 5
Davies 6
Brown 5
Kelly 4
Thomas 6
Bayliss 3
Shipley 4
Hiwula 3
Clarke-Harris 3

Hyam 5
Chaplin 3
Allassani 6

Dreadful, dreadful performance. Completely bossed by a far superior team.

Think these marks are spot on. Seems you were at the same match as me.
Two positives from the game Allassani looked as though he has something to offer and should be given a chance.
Second we were lucky to only lose by one goal. Luton dominated us from start to finish are were I thought 3 goals better than us.

Otis · Dec 16, 2018

I think the score on Bayliss is a bit harsh. He didn't have a good game, but there were flashes of great play from him and he has to be scored higher than Shipley, surely.

Otis · Dec 16, 2018

Also think 3 for Chaplin is a bit daft.

The bloke only played for 25 mins and hardly saw the ball.

pusbccfc · Dec 16, 2018

Hiwula and JCH were woeful.

Bayliss continuing his run of poor, lacklustre performances.

Thomas quiet.

Shipley did the odd good thing and then the odd bad thing. Certainly not the worst on the pitch.

Allassani looked tidy once again.

sylus · Dec 16, 2018

I can't be arsed to rate the players for yesterday,just like they couldn't be arsed to turn up while we all froze watching that sh't,but those who have rated the team pretty much got it spot on,it was dire yesterday

Otis · Dec 16, 2018

pusbccfc said:
Hiwula and JCH were woeful.

Bayliss continuing his run of poor, lacklustre performances.

Thomas quiet.

Shipley did the odd good thing and then the odd bad thing. Certainly not the worst on the pitch.

Allassani looked tidy once again.

Well that's the thing on that first point. Hiwula was very, very poor and JCH not that much better, but Bakayoko is now out for 8 weeks.

You can't play Chaplin up front on his own, so either Hiwula or JCH have to play don't they?

Otis · Dec 16, 2018

I sort of agree on Shipley, but there was certainly a lot more bad than good to my mind.

steve82 · Dec 16, 2018

Burge 5.5
Grimmer 5
Willis 5
Davies 5
Brown 5
Shipley 3.5
Hiwula 3.5
Kelly 4
Bayliss 3.5
Thomas 5
Jch 4

Hyam 5
Chaplin 4
Allassani 4

Too many players didn’t fancy the game and conditions while others the system was the failure of them yet again. Scoreline says a 2-1 loss but for goal line technology you could say should of been 2-2 which really would of flattered us to get a point.

Luton as side were not anything spectacular themselves in awful conditions but they won the fight with players being up for individual battles. Jordan Shipley will likely front the abuse but Tom Bayliss was the pick of the most disappointing players yet again this season being anonymous within a poor lightweight midfield. How he can be scored higher is beyond me.

Yet again we fall victim to a better organised side who are up for the fight. January really needs to bring some changes as MR suggested in his press conference. To many square pegs in round holes but that’s at MR door to rectify for changing the system after recruiting for a different formation

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Grendel · Dec 16, 2018

Otis said:
I think the score on Bayliss is a bit harsh. He didn't have a good game, but there were flashes of great play from him and he has to be scored higher than Shipley, surely.

I thought he was dreadful - he must have given the opposition the ball more than he found one of our players

steve82 · Dec 16, 2018

Grendel said:
I thought he was dreadful - he must have given the opposition the ball more than he found one of our players

He’s been anonymous and wasteful for large parts of the season but for a few good runs and phases in games.
Many thought Doyle was holding him back in his play but yesterday he had the freedom to roam and get involved if he wanted too with Kelly sitting in.

A talent yes but he’s not taken to the step up to L1 as easy as we’d of hoped. Things are not right with him, I’m not writing him off as he’s a talented kid

Suffering from the Ben Stevenson syndrome this year is Tom.

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Jay Cee · Dec 16, 2018

The recruitment in January will have to be spectacular better than the summer, one of our biggest problems is that none of our new permenant signings have really improved our team this year. You may argue Brown has done ok but too often he turns two of their players brilliantly and then just passes straight to the opposition anyhow so for me jury still out.

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Garryb80 · Dec 16, 2018

Jay Cee said:
The recruitment in January will have to be spectacular better than the summer, one of our biggest problems is that none of our new permenant signings have really improved our team this year. You may argue Brown has done ok but too often he turns two of their players brilliantly and then just passes straight to the opposition anyhow so for me jury still out.

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That is because he looks up and finds no movement in front of him. Hiwula immediately gravitates to the middle so there is no one to pass to down the line. He is often always marking 2 players as well. The movement of the team in general was appalling but down the left side was obvious.

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