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covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 3:35 PM
  • #246
Brighton Sky Blue said:
With respect the opposite is happening buddy.

You can surely see the difference between how we’re playing this season and last? The ball is getting up the pitch at a faster rate. The same is true even of Man City this season.
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And with all due respect you can't tell me you watch other teams week in week out enough to say whether are they are arsing around at the back or not
 
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wingy

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  • Thursday at 3:37 PM
  • #247
There's simply more of the product when it's played our way currently, I do hope we continue with this and actually storm this league for!
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Thursday at 3:40 PM
  • #248
On the playing out from the back thing. I read an article that this a modern day phenomena. It was noted that statistically hoofing the ball forward led to a goal for the opposition more often than not.

it turned into the playing out from the back. Now I always look at this as something realistically only the top teams could do as it requires elite concentration and control.

not a fan of it myself, but most teams take the odds that we won’t lose the ball are a lot better than getting it forward at first opportunity.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Thursday at 3:42 PM
  • #249
covcity4life said:
And with all due respect you can't tell me you watch other teams week in week out enough to say whether are they are arsing around at the back or not
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You certainly can. Take Russell Martin’s teams at Rangers and Southampton.

Southampton got absolutely torn to shreds.
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 3:45 PM
  • #250
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You certainly can. Take Russell Martin’s teams at Rangers and Southampton.

Southampton got absolutely torn to shreds.
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They got promoted

If your gonna say that's no achievement with good players you can't then use relegation against him with a weak squad in prem compared to those that stayed up
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Thursday at 3:46 PM
  • #251
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
On the playing out from the back thing. I read an article that this a modern day phenomena. It was noted that statistically hoofing the ball forward led to a goal for the opposition more often than not.

it turned into the playing out from the back. Now I always look at this as something realistically only the top teams could do as it requires elite concentration and control.

not a fan of it myself, but most teams take the odds that we won’t lose the ball are a lot better than getting it forward at first opportunity.
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It’s not the idea but the tempo. Passing it around the keeper and defence for long spells leaves you with the opposition set in place and tough to break down. If each player takes one or two touches before passing and does so up the pitch, you can play through the lines without hoofing it.

At the same time, you need more than one route to goal. So we also have players carrying the ball forwards, playing diagonals or going over the top. And this season we’re doing all of this at a higher tempo with players making clever runs off the ball.

Pass and move
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Thursday at 3:47 PM
  • #252
covcity4life said:
They got promoted

If your gonna say that's no achievement with good players you can't then use relegation against him with a weak squad in prem compared to those that stayed up
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They weren’t only relegated they were on course to break Derby’s record
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 3:49 PM
  • #253
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They weren’t only relegated they were on course to break Derby’s record
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No different to playing dinosaur and still going down like Luton ultimately

As I said before that season will have taught him lessons and he is his own man. If he doesn't wanna rip it up and do something completely different I respect that and that's all

I ecnever said he's best manager ever. I said I respect him sticking to philosophy
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 3:50 PM
  • #254
covcity4life said:
Top manager maybe not but he's not shite either as managers like mowbray failed at Celtic but are well regarded in the game so lennons achievements are more than enough not to be ridiculed

That's my only point. Keyboard warriors saying how shit everyone is even when they have achieved stuff
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Lennon was lucky to inherit Rodgers first double treble winning side and it got worse and worse each year he was in charge.

His league titles in the first spell were 1 when rangers has a points deduction and then the rest where when Rangers were liquidated and the new version of them had to start in the bottom tier.

It's not "keyboard warrior" behaviour to point out you are wrong, no one is threatening you are they,
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 3:52 PM
  • #255
Brighton Sky Blue said:
With respect the opposite is happening buddy.

You can surely see the difference between how we’re playing this season and last? The ball is getting up the pitch at a faster rate. The same is true even of Man City this season.
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The king of tika taka Pep has even said his old style doesn't work any more. Team have learnt how to press better and it does work anywhere near as much as it did.

Also people seem seem to not grasp that Tiki Taka is actually a defensive idea, the idea was if the other team doesn't have the ball they can't score and you then back your players to be good enough to eventually score. It's a system only designed to work at the bets of teams.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 3:54 PM
  • #256
David O'Day said:
The king of tika taka Pep has even said his old style doesn't work any more. Team have learnt how to press better and it does work anywhere near as much as it did.

Also people seem seem to not grasp that Tiki Taka is actually a defensive idea, the idea was if the other team doesn't have the ball they can't score and you then back your players to be good enough to eventually score. It's a system only designed to work at the bets of teams.
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Did he win leagues yes?

Did he beat Barca fucking lona? Yes

So he ain't shit wether you rate him as particularly good or not

You talk like an expert sorry but your just a tribalistic Celtic fan. I know more about Celtic than you clearly

Pipe down and let the neutrals talk
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Thursday at 3:57 PM
  • #257
covcity4life said:
Did he win leagues yes?

Did he beat Barca fucking lona? Yes

So he ain't shit wether you rate him as particularly good or not

You talk like an expert sorry but your just a tribalistic Celtic fan. I know more about Celtic than you clearly

Pipe down and let the neutrals talk
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Wasn’t that Barca win the famous 11% possession game where Barca had like 40 shots. Thats not a tactical masterclass - that’s lucky

Lennon’s career post Celtic would suggest that he was very lucky with the squad and situation he inherited
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 3:58 PM
  • #258
covcity4life said:
Did he win leagues yes?

Did he beat Barca fucking lona? Yes

So he ain't shit wether you rate him as particularly good or not

You talk like an expert sorry but your just a tribalistic Celtic fan. I know more about Celtic than you clearly

Pipe down and let the neutrals talk
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He won leagues when his team was fucking a million times better than fucking Aberdeen

Yes he beat Barca in a pretty flukey result.

Look mate, I know more about fucking Celtic football club and the quality of their managers than you.

If I was being "tribalistic" KI'd be saying he was better than he was. If you don't understand the word tribalistic then god help any kids you "teach".
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 3:59 PM
  • #259
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Wasn’t that Barca win the famous 11% possession game where Barca had like 40 shots. Thats not a tactical masterclass - that’s lucky

Lennon’s career post Celtic would suggest that he was very lucky with the squad and situation he inherited
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Mate, I'm a Celtic fan and I have said we were lucky that night. One header from a corner by Wanyama and a break away near the end from Tony Watt.

He's dug himself into a hole and he is windmilling his way out.
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:00 PM
  • #260
The brilliant manager Neil Lennon is currently manager of Scottish Championship team Dunfermline Athletic.

The home of good managers.
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:01 PM
  • #261
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Wasn’t that Barca win the famous 11% possession game where Barca had like 40 shots. Thats not a tactical masterclass - that’s lucky

Lennon’s career post Celtic would suggest that he was very lucky with the squad and situation he inherited
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Possession don't mean anything these days right?



Right?!!!
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:02 PM
  • #262
David O'Day said:
The brilliant manager Neil Lennon is currently manager of Scottish Championship team Dunfermline Athletic.

The home of good managers.
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Who said he was brilliant? Well done for proving my point about black and white thinking
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Thursday at 4:02 PM
  • #263
covcity4life said:
Possession don't mean anything these days right?



Right?!!!
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No it doesn’t but in that game - Barca were camped in front of Celtics box. It was one of those games where for some reason it just didn’t drop for Barca
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:03 PM
  • #264
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
No it doesn’t but in that game - Barca were camped in front of Celtics box. It was one of those games where for some reason it just didn’t drop for Barca
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It was a great victory mate. In a great atmosphere.

Enjoy life
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:03 PM
  • #265
covcity4life said:
Who said he was brilliant? Well done for proving my point about black and white thinking
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You fail to understand the point I made.

Well done for once again not understanding anything people have said.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Thursday at 4:04 PM
  • #266
covcity4life said:
It was a great victory mate. In a great atmosphere.

Enjoy life
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Never said it wasn’t a great victory - just that it completely defied logic, and you play that same game 100 times 99 times barca win 7/8-0
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:04 PM
  • #267
David O'Day said:
You fail to understand the point I made.

Well done for once again not understanding anything people have said.
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Haha it's always people not understanding when your caught out

Do you need me to also give examples of how tribalism isn't always about being positive about your manager?
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:05 PM
  • #268
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
No it doesn’t but in that game - Barca were camped in front of Celtics box. It was one of those games where for some reason it just didn’t drop for Barca
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covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:05 PM
  • #269
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Never said it wasn’t a great victory - just that it completely defied logic, and you play that same game 100 times 99 times barca win 7/8-0
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We shall never know. We shall never know
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:07 PM
  • #270
covcity4life said:
We shall never know. We shall never know
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Care to explain how it is "tribalistic" of me as Celtic fan to say Neil Lennon wasn't a good manager?
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:09 PM
  • #271
David O'Day said:
Care to explain how it is "tribalistic" of me as Celtic fan to say Neil Lennon wasn't a good manager?
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Depends on the motive doesn't it?

Were fucking celtic one of the best clubs in the world we need to play better than this or a different style where we have more shots Vs Barcelona or we need the elite managers not this guy etc

Don't even try to argue the above isn't a valid example of tribalism

Consider yourself taught
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Thursday at 4:12 PM
  • #272
covcity4life said:
Depends on the motive doesn't it?

Were fucking celtic one of the best clubs in the world we need to play better than this or a different style where we have more shots Vs Barcelona or we need the elite managers not this guy etc

Don't even try to argue the above isn't a valid example of tribalism

Consider yourself taught
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David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:18 PM
  • #273
covcity4life said:
Depends on the motive doesn't it?

Were fucking celtic one of the best clubs in the world we need to play better than this or a different style where we have more shots Vs Barcelona or we need the elite managers not this guy etc

Don't even try to argue the above isn't a valid example of tribalism

Consider yourself taught
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it's really not is it, that's not tribalism and that isn't what I'm doing is it. i'm simply being realistic about the ability of a former celtic manager

you've tied yourself up in knots and are just windmilling now
 

rob9872

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  • Thursday at 4:21 PM
  • #274
David O'Day said:
you've tied yourself up in knots and are just windmilling now
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Tbf that would be fekkin impressive by anyone's standards!
 

David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:23 PM
  • #275
rob9872 said:
Tbf that would be fekkin impressive by anyone's standards!
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i'm impressed today, he's invented a new type of "tribalism" where you downplay some of a team you supports greatest successes.
 

covcity4life

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  • Thursday at 4:26 PM
  • #276
Lol love it when I've clearly won and I can tell I've ruined someone's day because of it

You can have last word you massive Celtic fan you.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Thursday at 4:34 PM
  • #277
covcity4life said:
Lol love it when I've clearly won and I can tell I've ruined someone's day because of it

You can have last word you massive Celtic fan you.
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Keep telling yourself that, soon you'll be claiming it was your cousin who was a bit thick and doesn't understand what "tribalism" means.

Consider yourself "taught" and let the non stupid people talk

Mate, claiming it is "tribalist" to say as a Celtic fan Celtic were lucky to beat Barca is one of the greatest mentalist moments I have seen on here, so fair play for that.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Thursday at 4:39 PM
  • #278
covcity4life said:
Lol love it when I've clearly won and I can tell I've ruined someone's day because of it

You can have last word you massive Celtic fan you.
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Have you actually spent most of the school day debating football on the internet?
 

rob9872

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  • Thursday at 4:46 PM
  • #279
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Have you actually spent most of the school day debating football on the internet?
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When you could have been having arguments about Israel or the Labour government - wasters!
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Thursday at 4:47 PM
  • #280
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Have you actually spent most of the school day debating football on the internet?
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Debating is a strong word.
 
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