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shmmeee

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #106
In general sporting participation among lesbians is higher than straight women and among gays is lower than straight men, so it’s always going to be more of an issue in men’s sport.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #107
So by diminishing one person's rights the other is proven to be hollow belief system until he goes home,jeez staying out of this one!
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #108
Terry_dactyl said:
The point made on Twitter about Arab owned clubs is nonsense. Just for starters, how many footballers in the football league are likely to play for such a club?

I think it’s probably right to assume that homosexuality is as common in men’s football as it is in society as a whole. If it isn’t then isn’t this is part of the problem that needs addressing?
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That’s an assumption that I don’t think is correct. After all, the % of LGBT athletes in women’s sports (basketball, football, rugby and so on) is disproportionately higher than society of 10-17%. The opposite trend is quite likely to be true in men’s sport.

I can’t think of any leagues or sports where there’s a lot of gay representation in men’s sport.

Thankfully, there are people feeling confident to freely live their lives without hiding their identity. You’d think more would follow in the coming years.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #109
Esoterica said:
It's not my point! I was absolutely staggered that any one can genuinely believe that the reason footballers aren't coming out is that they are cowards and deliberately hiding their sexuality in the hope of a lucrative contract from an Arab owned club.
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It’s a whacky thing to say - specifically the charge of cowardice.

That said, could you imagine coming out if you had bosses/colleagues who didn’t share liberal attitudes to homosexuality?
 
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hamertime

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #110
I don’t think the younger generation give a monkeys if someone is gay or not. The older generation mainly use it as something they can take the piss with, but not really bothered either.

The reason I think a lot of players don’t come out it because it would create an issue in the dressing room as players are dressing in front of each other.

I don’t agree with the club doing what they are doing as I think the more you talk about people as gay it makes it an issue. Just my personal opinion as I just see everyone as people. I wouldn’t ask someone if they were straight or gay as I don’t care.
 

McLovin87

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #111
ajsccfc said:
I've got nothing against Legends Day so long as they keep it behind closed doors and don't wave it in my face or the face of the silent majority, but what about a day for your Alex Evtushoks, your Rafaele Nuzzos, your Carlitas? I'm just asking questions. All players matter.
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Some of my best friends are legends!!
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #112
ajsccfc said:
I've got nothing against Legends Day so long as they keep it behind closed doors and don't wave it in my face or the face of the silent majority, but what about a day for your Alex Evtushoks, your Rafaele Nuzzos, your Carlitas? I'm just asking questions. All players matter.
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You missed “ram it down our throats”.
 
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mmttww

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #113
hamertime said:
I don’t agree with the club doing what they are doing as I think the more you talk about people as gay it makes it an issue. Just my personal opinion as I just see everyone as people. I wouldn’t ask someone if they were straight or gay as I don’t care.
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Having an opinion on what the club's doing says that you do care. If I see Dua Lipa's put an album out, I don't talk about it, because I don't care. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be talking about it on football forum.

CCFC hasn't created an issue. It's no secret that sports people hide their sexuality, or that some fans don't feel comfortable being themselves at matches. Fans were asked to 'not act gay' at the last World Cup.
 
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hamertime

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #114
mmttww said:
Having an opinion on what the club's doing says that you do care. If I see Dua Lipa's put an album out, I don't talk about it, because I don't care. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be talking about it on football forum.

CCFC hasn't created an issue. It's no secret that sports people hide their sexuality, or that some fans don't feel comfortable being themselves at matches. Fans were asked to 'not act gay' at the last World Cup.
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I really don’t care who someone wants to shag, I only care what people are like as a person when I meet them end of.

The World Cup is another matter, it was a disgrace it even went ahead. The government and FA let every gay person down in this country by going to play in it. I said as soon as it was announced I said I’d rather us not play in it.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #115
SBT said:
Do the people questioning why these groups exist ever take the time to actually ask one of their members what’s behind it? Feels like they would have a better understanding of why it’s not as simple as “We’re all just football fans” at the end of the day.
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I imagine they're the kind of people who use the word "woke" a lot.
 

torchomatic

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #116
Pusb1 said:
All this ‘why not straight pride nonsense’


The people who have made the comments are bigots
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Spot on. It's the same as the "all lives matter" group of twats.
 
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hamertime

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #117
I don’t even agree with the supporter Group for LGBTQ+ fans. I mean what’s the point of it, you’re just a football fan.

I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #118
hamertime said:
I don’t even agree with the supporter Group for LGBTQ+ fans. I mean what’s the point of it, you’re just a football fan.

I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
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Agreed. See you down the CBS in your half and half scarf tomorrow. “Come on you players of all teeaaaaaams”
 
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mmttww

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #119
hamertime said:
I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
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Sounds like football clubs and national teams, so applying your thinking should we...

Bin off football teams, as we're all football fans, and we should just support 'football'?
 
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torchomatic

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #120
hamertime said:
I don’t even agree with the supporter Group for LGBTQ+ fans. I mean what’s the point of it, you’re just a football fan.

I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
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We should all support the same football team then, shouldn't we? Shall we all support Man City?
 
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hamertime

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #121
mmttww said:
Sounds like football clubs and national teams, so applying your thinking should we...

Bin off football teams, as we're all football fans, and we should just support 'football'?
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Are you seriously taking what I said and applying it to sports teams? If you are, you’re too thick to have a conversation with.
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #122
hamertime said:
I don’t even agree with the supporter Group for LGBTQ+ fans. I mean what’s the point of it, you’re just a football fan.

I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
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Samo

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #123
hamertime said:
I don’t even agree with the supporter Group for LGBTQ+ fans. I mean what’s the point of it, you’re just a football fan.

I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
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Do you believe there shouldn't be a disabled supporters group?
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #124
torchomatic said:
I imagine they're the kind of people who use the word "woke" a lot.
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Not sure that's true,Woke designed by advertising exec's ,TV channels etc for the likes of GBNews to rail against, couldn't make it up?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #125
wingy said:
Not sure that's true,Woke designed by advertising exec's ,TV channels etc for the likes of GBNews to rail against, couldn't make it up?
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It originates from African-Americans, meaning - "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".
 
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LWale

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #126
Founder of Proud Sky Blues here, so I thought I'd chime in...

I'm glad to see that the discussion here is more understanding of what the Club are trying to do. It's probably no surprise that we're delighted to see the Club celebrating LGBTQ+ fans and the community, and of course, for working in partnership with Proud Sky Blues.

I appreciate that, for non-LGBTQ+ fans, it can sometimes be difficult to understand things from our perspective. What I would say is that, as LGBTQ+ fans, our experience of football might be different to that of people who would otherwise "fit in". From reading through the thread, a lot of people have empathy for the fact that many LGBTQ+ fans have been directly subjected to abuse or overheard abuse towards other fans and/or players. Many LGBTQ+ people often find it difficult to engage with football because of a hyper-masculine culture that's been around for generations.

From personal experience, I've heard abuse at games since I was 9 years old (now 31). I ended up giving away my season ticket part-way through a season when I was 15. I'd just had enough of hearing every slur under the sun, and as much as I love football, I didn't want to be in that environment anymore. Since starting Proud Sky Blues and meeting other LGBTQ+ fans, I've quickly learned that my experience isn't unique- we've all been through very similar experiences.

I came back to football a few years later because the Club started engaging in campaigns such as Rainbow Laces. I've never seen these campaigns as virtue signalling or tick-box exercises. To see the Club put out a message to say that someone like me is welcome at the football meant everything. It's ultimately why I started Proud Sky Blues, and the community we've built so quickly is really something special. I know how much it means to LGBTQ+ fans to feel included, and I don't want anyone in the LGBTQ+ community to not feel that they are welcome and safe to enjoy football.

I only wish that a group like this was around when I was 15, as perhaps I wouldn't have walked away from the game.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #127
LWale said:
Founder of Proud Sky Blues here, so I thought I'd chime in...

I'm glad to see that the discussion here is more understanding of what the Club are trying to do. It's probably no surprise that we're delighted to see the Club celebrating LGBTQ+ fans and the community, and of course, for working in partnership with Proud Sky Blues.

I appreciate that, for non-LGBTQ+ fans, it can sometimes be difficult to understand things from our perspective. What I would say is that, as LGBTQ+ fans, our experience of football might be different to that of people who would otherwise "fit in". From reading through the thread, a lot of people have empathy for the fact that many LGBTQ+ fans have been directly subjected to abuse or overheard abuse towards other fans and/or players. Many LGBTQ+ people often find it difficult to engage with football because of a hyper-masculine culture that's been around for generations.

From personal experience, I've heard abuse at games since I was 9 years old (now 31). I ended up giving away my season ticket part-way through a season when I was 15. I'd just had enough of hearing every slur under the sun, and as much as I love football, I didn't want to be in that environment anymore. Since starting Proud Sky Blues and meeting other LGBTQ+ fans, I've quickly learned that my experience isn't unique- we've all been through very similar experiences.

I came back to football a few years later because the Club started engaging in campaigns such as Rainbow Laces. I've never seen these campaigns as virtue signalling or tick-box exercises. To see the Club put out a message to say that someone like me is welcome at the football meant everything. It's ultimately why I started Proud Sky Blues, and the community we've built so quickly is really something special. I know how much it means to LGBTQ+ fans to feel included, and I don't want anyone in the LGBTQ+ community to not feel that they are welcome and safe to enjoy football.

I only wish that a group like this was around when I was 15, as perhaps I wouldn't have walked away from the game.
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Great post.
 
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mmttww

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #128
LWale said:
I only wish that a group like this was around when I was 15, as perhaps I wouldn't have walked away from the game.
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Really glad you've taken the time to write what you did. This last sentence is a very sad thing to read.
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #129
LWale said:
Founder of Proud Sky Blues here, so I thought I'd chime in...

I'm glad to see that the discussion here is more understanding of what the Club are trying to do. It's probably no surprise that we're delighted to see the Club celebrating LGBTQ+ fans and the community, and of course, for working in partnership with Proud Sky Blues.

I appreciate that, for non-LGBTQ+ fans, it can sometimes be difficult to understand things from our perspective. What I would say is that, as LGBTQ+ fans, our experience of football might be different to that of people who would otherwise "fit in". From reading through the thread, a lot of people have empathy for the fact that many LGBTQ+ fans have been directly subjected to abuse or overheard abuse towards other fans and/or players. Many LGBTQ+ people often find it difficult to engage with football because of a hyper-masculine culture that's been around for generations.

From personal experience, I've heard abuse at games since I was 9 years old (now 31). I ended up giving away my season ticket part-way through a season when I was 15. I'd just had enough of hearing every slur under the sun, and as much as I love football, I didn't want to be in that environment anymore. Since starting Proud Sky Blues and meeting other LGBTQ+ fans, I've quickly learned that my experience isn't unique- we've all been through very similar experiences.

I came back to football a few years later because the Club started engaging in campaigns such as Rainbow Laces. I've never seen these campaigns as virtue signalling or tick-box exercises. To see the Club put out a message to say that someone like me is welcome at the football meant everything. It's ultimately why I started Proud Sky Blues, and the community we've built so quickly is really something special. I know how much it means to LGBTQ+ fans to feel included, and I don't want anyone in the LGBTQ+ community to not feel that they are welcome and safe to enjoy football.

I only wish that a group like this was around when I was 15, as perhaps I wouldn't have walked away from the game.
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Great post. Power to you, L.
 
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AiS86

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #130
hamertime said:
I don’t even agree with the supporter Group for LGBTQ+ fans. I mean what’s the point of it, you’re just a football fan.

I believe the more different groups you create for people, the more you divide people.
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Does this apply to the Leamington and Warwick supporters group? London? USA?
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #131
Simple generational shift, perfectly normal, but when you see someone of @thekidfromstrettoncamp criticised for his comment about Sakamoto's ability to defend himself with a Japanese martial art taught in schools over there,too far IMO Let it go!
 

McLovin87

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #132
AiS86 said:
Does this apply to the Leamington and Warwick supporters group? London? USA?
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Don't get me started with them, rubbing their Spa's and Castles in our faces, tossers!
 
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rob9872

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #133
Samo said:
Do you believe there shouldn't be a disabled supporters group?
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Isn't that Leicester City?


Sorry open goal, that was too easy Certainly no offence meant to any of our disabled supporters!
 
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rob9872

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #134
McLovin87 said:
Don't get me started with them, rubbing their Spa's and Castles in our faces, tossers!
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Leave us alone you bigot
 
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hamertime

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #135
Samo said:
Do you believe there shouldn't be a disabled supporters group?
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Completely different thing, obviously a group would help them with access issues, etc etc.

But you don’t need a group, which is basically defined on who you shag.

would you need a disabled LBQT subgroup or does just the disabled one suffice?
 

rob9872

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #136
We could have a twats group with you in it, unfortunately there's a lot on here who would probably like to include me too, so I'd still be stuck with you!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #137
wingy said:
Simple generational shift, perfectly normal, but when you see someone of @thekidfromstrettoncamp criticised for his comment about Sakamoto's ability to defend himself with a Japanese martial art taught in schools over there,too far IMO Let it go!
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Not seen HH on here since his own unfortunate Sakamoto comment
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #138
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not seen HH on here since his own unfortunate Sakamoto comment
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What was that?
 

stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #139
LWale said:
Founder of Proud Sky Blues here, so I thought I'd chime in...

I'm glad to see that the discussion here is more understanding of what the Club are trying to do. It's probably no surprise that we're delighted to see the Club celebrating LGBTQ+ fans and the community, and of course, for working in partnership with Proud Sky Blues.

I appreciate that, for non-LGBTQ+ fans, it can sometimes be difficult to understand things from our perspective. What I would say is that, as LGBTQ+ fans, our experience of football might be different to that of people who would otherwise "fit in". From reading through the thread, a lot of people have empathy for the fact that many LGBTQ+ fans have been directly subjected to abuse or overheard abuse towards other fans and/or players. Many LGBTQ+ people often find it difficult to engage with football because of a hyper-masculine culture that's been around for generations.

From personal experience, I've heard abuse at games since I was 9 years old (now 31). I ended up giving away my season ticket part-way through a season when I was 15. I'd just had enough of hearing every slur under the sun, and as much as I love football, I didn't want to be in that environment anymore. Since starting Proud Sky Blues and meeting other LGBTQ+ fans, I've quickly learned that my experience isn't unique- we've all been through very similar experiences.

I came back to football a few years later because the Club started engaging in campaigns such as Rainbow Laces. I've never seen these campaigns as virtue signalling or tick-box exercises. To see the Club put out a message to say that someone like me is welcome at the football meant everything. It's ultimately why I started Proud Sky Blues, and the community we've built so quickly is really something special. I know how much it means to LGBTQ+ fans to feel included, and I don't want anyone in the LGBTQ+ community to not feel that they are welcome and safe to enjoy football.

I only wish that a group like this was around when I was 15, as perhaps I wouldn't have walked away from the game.
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hamertime

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  • Feb 22, 2024
  • #140
rob9872 said:
We could have a twats group with you in it, unfortunately there's a lot on here who would probably like to include me too, so I'd still be stuck with you!
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That’s a dagger to the heart mate.
 
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