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Otis

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Yeovil 65% - City 35%

City 43% - Sheff Utd. 57%

City 56% - Bury 43%

Crewe 54% - City 46%

City 61% - Stevenage 39%

Tranmere 50% - City 50%

Shrewsbury 53% - City 47%

City 49% - Carlisle 51%

Oldham 52% - City 48%

City 36% - MK 64%

City 53% - Bournemouth 47%

Swindon 44% - City 56%

City 50% - Notts C 50%

Brentford 39% - City 61%

Leyton O 43% - City 57%

City 44% - Crawley 56%

City 46% - Scunthorpe 54%


Okay, possession isn't everything and we are all very much aware of that, but barring own goals you can't score if you haven't got the ball.

17 games in. In only 6 of those have we dominated possession. Doesn't quite fit in with this notion of us having a good squad and good players for this division does it. And you have to recall, this is us being a so called passing team, both under AT and MR.

We have played 9 league games at home. In only 3 of those have we had the best of possession.

Pretty certain that pre-season most of us would have believed that we would dominate possession at home but may have found teams hard to break down. Facts say that at home the opposition are having much more of the ball. That points to something drastically wrong.

That points to us simply not being good enough.

The stats away point to us having the better of possession in 3 of 8 games. This of course is to be more expected as usually the home team do indeed dominate possession.

As I say, possession isn't everything, but with a squad of supposed quality players, in a team supposedly playing passing, possession football and building from the back, this I feel is a stark warning that we simply aren't good enough and aren't going anywhere and certainly nowhere close to anything like play-off places.

Add to all this the fact that we have lost 19 points from winning positions (case here for the 2 stats being linked) then the picture does look very bleak.

Take McGoldrick out of our team and you would have to say that we pretty much have nothing. And that is a big, big worry.
 

Otis

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It is only part of the problem, but a very big factor for sure.

To only have had the better of possession in 3 out of 9 home games is quite shocking for a team touted as one of the favourites for promotion pre-season.

Hard to believe we have better players than most other sides when we can't even keep the ball.
 

scroobiustom

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True its only part of the problem,

the bigger concern is people that use the word "totes" ;)
 

PVA

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Possession stats at this level are utterly useless and unreliable. They are probably pretty accurate in the Premier League but below that they are nonsense.

This one stands out for me:

Leyton O 43% - City 57%

Our ball retention was appalling that day. There is no way we had 57% possession against orient.
 

Otis

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I know they are not 100% accurate and accept that, but I cannot believe that all those stats are that far out ... and wasn't Orient's retention really bad too?
 

Black6Osprey

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Anyone who thinks these players are good or the absolute classic, they are good but the wrong type of player is completely blind and needs to take off their sky blue specs.

Having seen every home game and a couple away in the league this season I haven't walked out once, regardless of the result and thought we played well and that is why we are where we are.

Good players at every level can keep the ball and pass it to someone in the same colour shirt. We aren't good enough to do it for more than 10 minutes in a game.
 

Otis

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They are either:

Not good enough

Unfit and out of shape

Or lack fire in their bellies.

There has only been that one 45 mins where we looked a really good side who could do something in this division and that was against Bury who have been bottom of the pile pretty much all season long so far.

Think that tells you everything and points much more to us more likely being a bottom 4 side than a top 6 one.
 

Black6Osprey

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I've seen games when they have put plenty of effort in so I don't believe it's motivation or desire they are lacking. I haven't seen any games that have been full of quality performances. It's the ability we are lacking. Fitness should only be a factor in the latter stages of the game and we have looked shit from the first minute in some games.
 

skyblueman

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They are either:

Not good enough

Unfit and out of shape

Or lack fire in their bellies.

There has only been that one 45 mins where we looked a really good side who could do something in this division and that was against Bury who have been bottom of the pile pretty much all season long so far.

Think that tells you everything and points much more to us more likely being a bottom 4 side than a top 6 one.

Truth is Otis it's all three... this squad is truly shocking - I've always been proud to be a Skyblue but it's just getting embarrassing - I will always support the club but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to support the current team mostly because it's obvious most of them don't give a toss
 

Sky Blue Kid

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Those stats that you show us Otis, are not far out. Truth is, we need to hold the ball longer, but we're not skillful enough to do this.
Shanks, once said...If we have the ball...They can't score. A simple analogy, but true!
 

SkyBlueCharlie

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There are two aspects to ball possession in the game, the first is how much of the ball you have and the second in where the ball is. Visiting teams may have the ball for a longer total time but if most of that is spent in their own half then it could show the amount of pressure being applied by the home team. Frustrating the home team is one part of the modern game and something that CCFC does not do very well but other teams appear to manage when they come here. The one positive, of course, is that if the ball is in their half they are less likely to score...the Crawley game was perhaps a good example of this...they had much more of the ball but lost!

Conclusion...you cannot rely upon one single statistic to judge a teams performance except for league position...that one says it all!
 
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wingy

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Is it possible to extrapolate from these stats ,whether changes in certain personel or system have had any bearing,Also whether they are in line with what other teams manage to achieve when making the same visits ,especially away visits.Interesting to note two high percentages for Brentford and Orient ,but two different results.
 

Otis

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As I say, it is only one factor, but still a key one. It's the sum of all the parts that is proving our downfall at the end of the day.
 

Otis

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We do usually build from the back more often that just let Murphy punt it up field.

I would say we are a passing team ...... just not a very good one.
 

SkyBlueCharlie

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Is it possible to extrapolate from these stats ,whether changes in certain personel or system have had any bearing,Also whether they are in line with what other teams manage to achieve when making the same visits ,especially away visits.Interesting to note two high percentages for Brentford and Orient ,but two different results.

Wingy....Not really...you would need a lot more detail about each individual players input...passes completed, time with the ball etc, etc, etc and then some sophisticated software to analyse it all. My understanding is that this is all available to the team managers and used by them together with their own perceptions from training etc (lots of etcs here I notice, apologies for that) to a pick the team and formulate their strategy.

The danger of relying on only one stat in a complex environment is that you end up with a simplistic analysis, that might give an indication of performance but only a very general one.
 

Samo

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Good post. Of course there are many factors but for me possession is king... It's simple mathematics! With stats like those we will never be consistant. Yes we will win games but never consistantly.
 

Real

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The one major thing that tells me how good/bad/average we are is the league table. Forget all this stats nonsense and possession, when all is said and done, the table doesn't lie.
 

Otis

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The one major thing that tells me how good/bad/average we are is the league table. Forget all this stats nonsense and possession, when all is said and done, the table doesn't lie.


Yes, agreed, but then you can see why we haven't won enough games at home with part of it being because we have let the opposition dominate possession.
 

SkyBlueCharlie

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Yes, agreed, but then you can see why we haven't won enough games at home with part of it being because we have let the opposition dominate possession.

Otis...but it doesn't neccessary follow does it? Against Crawley we had 44% and won 3-1, Scunthorpe 46% and lost 2-1. Away from home in several games we have had over 50% and either drawn or lost, for me just relying on one stat gives a simplistic overview of a match and the game is a lot more complex than that.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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For every 1% of possession that we give away, is 1% less chance of us scoring. Posters are going on about having less possession than the opposition, but putting the other team under pressure in their half. I watched games where we've been totally dominated and been mullered in the process(Wrexham anyone???)(Shrewsbury anyone???)...95% of times, if you have the ball, the other team can't score, thereby you have more of a chance of winning. Simple mathematics guys!
 

Sky Blue Kid

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It seems Otis and myself are not the only ones who believe in stats.

Quote from Mark Robins...
"It’s a mentality thing and the stats bear that out because we have taken the lead in 12 of the 17 league games and come second best in a lot of them, so it’s not ideal and we need to be better.
"I am saying the same things week in, week out and it’s difficult because that’s where we’re at, but the players have got to be better.


Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...ger-mark-robins-92746-32229542/#ixzz2CBysZ7qV
 

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